I will become God-Harem King of the World! [Highschool DxD/Exalted] (CLOSED)

[Smuthunter]

[X] "I have to say that I don't know a spell to turn you into a magical girl right away, but do not worry! There are a number of leads for this and I am going to research for a way to fulfil your wish."
- [X] "Insert-Speech on how Mil-tan already has a great personality and love and compassion, but that we will do our best to add the Magic as soon as possible."
-- [X] Work on a technique to give Mil-tan magical powers in your free time. Maybe ask Buchou if we can take a look at the things she uses to turn others into devils and explain how they work so we have a basis for our work.

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Do I need to spell out why this option is stupid and won't work again or are people just not reading the thread at all?

 

[protoss16]

[X] Plan Smuthunter

 

[P_D]

I figured that while actually getting anything done will require a lot more Occult, Lore and Craft, this may be a good excuse to ask Rias for an Evil Piece to examine and see what Bright thinks of the idea.
That should at least get us an idea of what we'll need to actually get a project like this started and It's not like there's anything we can do about this for now (except turning him down) so might as well try to get something out of this.

 

[Smuthunter]

I figured that while actually getting anything done will require a lot more Occult, Lore and Craft

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Jesus fuck, people are still thinking about using the Craft system for anything? It is the single most fuckstupid broken set of mechanics in a game line that is full of fuckstupid broken sets of mechanics. We do not want anything to do with crafting. Not now, not ever. If we can't accomplish this solely with magical knowledge then we shouldn't even try.

*simmers in nerdrage*

Pipeman, can you please elaborate for the non-players why exactly Crafting is so utterly horrible a way to do things? Especially when we're going to be trying not to get killed by people who are a lot stronger than us for the foreseeable future? I can't seem to do it without getting more righteously pissed than a quest thread deserves.

 

[staplesdex2]

You realize that Evil Pieces are too valuable to devils to share? Even of it is Rias she also has the good sense not to share those pieces just for study. If anything she would only share those pieces to the person she is going to make part of her peerage.

Edit: Damn ninja'ed

 

[Alexander]

Jesus fuck, people are still thinking about using the Craft system for anything? It is the single most fuckstupid broken set of mechanics in a game line that is full of fuckstupid broken sets of mechanics. We do not want anything to do with crafting. Not now, not ever. If we can't accomplish this solely with magical knowledge then we shouldn't even try.

*simmers in nerdrage*

Pipeman, can you please elaborate for the non-players why exactly Crafting is so utterly horrible a way to do things? Especially when we're going to be trying not to get killed by people who are a lot stronger than us for the foreseeable future? I can't seem to do it without getting more righteously pissed than a quest thread deserves.

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Please calm down Smuthunter, there is no need to get so angry. You have a non-favorable opinion about Craft, and this I understand. But please try to stay calm.

 

[protoss16]

The reason I voted for working on it is bevause is suspect that Alexander is going to make it work out awesomely.

 

[Smuthunter]

You realize that Evil Pieces are too valuable to devils to share? Even of it is Rias she also has the good sense not to share those pieces just for study. If anything she would only share those pieces to the person she is going to make part of her peerage.

Edit: Damn ninja'ed

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Even if she did, by some miracle, with Occult 0 what the hell does anyone expect us to get out of it? Our anima power might give us a little information if the piece qualifies as an artifact of some sort but we have no way to make use of it.

Please calm down Smuthunter, there is no need to get so angry. You have a non-favorable opinion about Craft, and this I understand. But please try to stay calm.

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I know, I'm chill. And I'm not mad at anyone in particular, but this is looking like a repeat of the the Charisma vs Presence debacle and once again everyone is voting for the option that gimps us because they don't understand the mechanics and systems well enough to realize just how horribly it gimps us.

 

[Alexander]

Alright, I know how to stop the debate:

-Right now Issei has no chance in hell to understand and recreate the Evil Pieces system. His Lore, Occult and Craft aren't high enough.
-It may become possible if you convince Ajuka Beelzebub (the creator of the Evil Pieces) to share his notes or if you spend enough time studying it.
-As of now the best Issei can do it's to promise he will look for a way to do it. This will open up a long-term side-quest: you are not obliged to follow it since it has not impact on the main story, but you may want if you are interested in the rewards.

 

[Smuthunter]

Okay. If the understanding is "this is impossible to begin until we are in the prime of our power as a sorcerer" then that's not so bad. We're still going to need to continually ante up to deal with more powerful villains so it's not like we can just purchase a single set of combat charms and then be done with it and focus our attention completely on other projects. But if the goal is for this to be a very long-term project rather than something to try to do immediately while we're also trying to level grind into being combat-effective then that's a different matter.

With that in mind, I propose this alternate route:

[X] "Mil-tan, Kiba-san is a dirty liar. I am a magician, but I am only an apprentice who barely knows any more than you do. However! Your dedication to the cause of love and justice inspires me! Because I don't know what can be done, I also don't know what is impossible! Therefore, though it may take me many months or years, if ever I should find a way to grant you this wish, I will absolutely do it, on my honor as a man!"
- [X] Sidequest: Magical Man Child Mil-tan Unlocked!

 

[P_D]

[X] "Mil-tan, Kiba-san is a dirty liar. I am a magician, but I am only an apprentice who barely knows any more than you do. However! Your dedication to the cause of love and justice inspires me! Because I don't know what can be done, I also don't know what is impossible! Therefore, though it may take me many months or years, if ever I should find a way to grant you this wish, I will absolutely do it! On my honor as a man and as a devil!"
- [X] Sidequest: Magical Man Child Mil-tan Unlocked!

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I'm fine with this but you might want to fix the underlined part as Issei isn't a devil.

[X]Plan Smuthunter

 

[Heaven Canceler]

[X] Plan Smuthunter

 

[Pipeman]

[X] Plan Smuthunter

 

[Walkir]

Change to [X]Plan Smuthunter

 

[BobTheNinja]

[X] Plan Smuthunter

 

[Deathwings]

[X]Plan Smuthunter

 

[Fellgar]

[X]Plan Smuthunter

 

[MHLord]

[X]Plan Smuthunter

 

[Eler0]

Therefore, though it may take me many months or years, if ever I should find a way to grant you this wish, I will absolutely do it, on my honor as a man!"

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Is it really a good idea to give that man-child magical powers? I'd be against it even if we could do it right now for absolutely no cost. Handling him magic just because he asked for it would be like giving him a gun just because he wants one.
What is he even going to do with magic? Try and fight crime? Because that will either end with maimed/dead criminals because it turns out that befriending beams aren't really harmless or him dying because the ability to shoot fireballs doesn't make you immune to being stabbed or beaten to death, not to mention the supernatural attention he'd likely draw.
The only good it would do him is make him very happy for a short amount of time. You know what else can do that? Prep talk by a Solar with peak human dicepools and a Presence Excellency. It's also a lot less likely to lead to horrible consequences.

Of course, we're Conviction 2, so we don't really have to keep our oaths.

 

[Smuthunter]

Is it really a good idea to give that man-child magical powers? I'd be against it even if we could do it right now for absolutely no cost. Handling him magic just because he asked for it would be like giving him a gun just because he wants one.
What is he even going to do with magic? Try and fight crime? Because that will either end with maimed/dead criminals because it turns out that befriending beams aren't really harmless or him dying because the ability to shoot fireballs doesn't make you immune to being stabbed or beaten to death, not to mention the supernatural attention he'd likely draw.

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I don't know if you noticed or not but Mil-tan already has supernatural attention in canon, from Serafall Leviathan of all people. And he has super-strength and anti-magic fists, apparently.

 

[Eler0]

I don't know if you noticed or not but Mil-tan already has supernatural attention in canon, from Serafall Leviathan of all people. And he has super-strength and anti-magic fists, apparently.

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Really? I must have totally forgotten about that. Did it happen in the anime? I haven't finished the novels yet.
Still, "I want magical powers" doesn't mean you deserve magical powers.

 

[Smuthunter]

Really? I must have totally forgotten about that. Did it happen in the anime? I haven't finished the novels yet.
Still, "I want magical powers" doesn't mean you deserve magical powers.

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There's an excerpt from the books a page or two ago. Apparently Leviathan wants him in her peerage.

 

[Selias]

[X] Plan Smuthunter

 

[Larekko12]

I fully understand tat making Mil-Tan into a magical Girl would take a long long time and lots of XP, but I am also given to understand to all the requisite skills and abilities you need to do it are stuff we should specialize in any way as a twilight and have loads of knock on effects that can be more immediately applied to various other and more immediate projects in the interim and we'd be able to make magical super soldier at the end. Possibly realm of mass prodcution.


It seems like a high term high return thing who's rewards are in the journey themselves.

Also people talk like Mil tan is a diamond in the rough like Don Kanoji and those humans who were basically standing up and giving endgame Aizen the Middle finger like it weren't nothing.


Also can boosted gear do leathal? I mean it looks really claw like and sharp.

 

[Selias]

I fully understand tat making Mil-Tan into a magical Girl would take a long long time and lots of XP, but I am also given to understand to all the requisite skills and abilities you need to do it are stuff we should specialize in any way as a twilight and have loads of knock on effects that can be more immediately applied to various other and more immediate projects in the interim and we'd be able to make magical super soldier at the end. Possibly realm of mass prodcution.


It seems like a high term high return thing who's rewards are in the journey themselves.

Also people talk like Mil tan is a diamond in the rough like Don Kanoji and those humans who were basically standing up and giving endgame Aizen the Middle finger like it weren't nothing.


Also can boosted gear do leathal? I mean it looks really claw like and sharp.

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Which is why we're making it a long-term quest.

[X] "Mil-tan, Kiba-san is a dirty liar. I am a magician, but I am only an apprentice who barely knows any more than you do. However! Your dedication to the cause of love and justice inspires me! Because I don't know what can be done, I also don't know what is impossible! Therefore, though it may take me many months or years, if ever I should find a way to grant you this wish, I will absolutely do it, on my honor as a man!"
- [X] Sidequest: Magical Man Child Mil-tan Unlocked!

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[Pipeman]

I fully understand tat making Mil-Tan into a magical Girl would take a long long time and lots of XP, but I am also given to understand to all the requisite skills and abilities you need to do it are stuff we should specialize in any way as a twilight and have loads of knock on effects that can be more immediately applied to various other and more immediate projects in the interim and we'd be able to make magical super soldier at the end. Possibly realm of mass prodcution.

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Crafting is more stuff we can ultimately add to our repertoire when we are solid in everything we want to be solid in and have both XP and time to burn and even then it's more a case of Crafting being just as horrendously clunky but somewhat less work intensive for a Twilight than actually being efficient, unless Crafting is houseruled.

Secondly, crafting the artifacts to make Mil-tan alone into a Magical Girl is a massive undertaking whose length would be measured in months and whose monetary costs would be outright enourmous.
And the result would be rather unimpressive along the lines of making Mil-tan a girl, awakening her Essence which does nothing but give here a pathetic motepool, giving Mil-tan an outfit with some magical effect that honestly isn't too impressive and give here another artifact that can be used to cast the equivalent of one or two Essence 3 Charms, so she can do anything at all with her new Essence pool.
All in all, it's a rather minor improvement over what was there before.

Thirdly, I'd really wish people would actually think through what they're talking about when planning to create something that allows them to make people into magical super soldiers.
You plan to enlighten their Essence, elevate their bodies beyond mortal limitations and grant them a native Charmset, so they don't have to study some form of magic to start doing shit, without the end result being seriously disappointing considering the amount of work involved.
That sounds remarkebly as if you were planning to make an entirely new type of Exalted as a non-Elder Solar.
That's seriously bullshit.
The only way this is going to be even remotely possible is by brutally taking advantage of crossover shenanigans and the Evil Pieces but even then this is an outright legendary endeavor and it would seriously break my SoD if we are even capable of starting with this before achieving Essence 5.

Lastly, mass producing Artifacts?
Seriously?
No.
Just no.

In conclusion, yes it's possible, but it's a very long term project and will take a lot of work and crossover abuses to be even remotely worth the amount of work and resources invested.
That said, when we do manage to make it even remotely viable it could be seriously broken.

 

[Dimensionist]

[x] Plan Smuthunter.

@Pipeman: Why do we need to use Exalted mechanics to create magical 'super-soldiers'? We have an existing mechanic for that in High School D&D. Just ... learn that, use our magical knowledge and aptitude to work it to our desire. It'll still be really hard, but nowhere near as hard as you're talking about, especially as we'll soon have access to people who can tell us about it a bit.

 

[Smuthunter]

@Pipeman: Why do we need to use Exalted mechanics to create magical 'super-soldiers'?

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Because the system Alexander is using is the Exalted system. He can houserule the craft mechanics, but if he doesn't we're going to need to buy most of the Craft charms just to make the system workable, never mind being good at it.

We have an existing mechanic for that in High School D&D. Just ... learn that, use our magical knowledge and aptitude to work it to our desire. It'll still be really hard, but nowhere near as hard as you're talking about, especially as we'll soon have access to people who can tell us about it a bit.

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You're really not getting how hard this is going to be. The Evil Pieces are very similar to Exaltations in the sense that they are objects which grant mortals permanent passive abilities and typically change the very nature of what that mortal is (Exaltation vs Reincarnation). That's not something you can invent just by purchasing a few charms and investing dots in Craft (fire) or whatever, nor should it be. Alexander says it's within the realm of possibility for us to reverse-engineer the evil pieces so I'll go with him on that, but if he hadn't said so I would say it isn't possible any more than it is possible for Exalts to make more exaltations (not counting terrestrials doing it the old-fashioned way).

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Oh, here's a perfectly good demonstration:

Any artifact that permanently grants abilities like an Exaltation would most likely be Artifact N/A, but let's lowball it extremely and say they're only Artifact 5. For reference, similar artifacts rated at 5 include suits of power armor with built-in weapon systems and numerous support abilities (think Iron Man) as well as airships and other such things.

According to the vanilla Craft rules in the Core Rulebook, crafting magical artifacts requires Craft/Lore/Occult to all be rated at 3 or higher to make an object rated Artifact 1-3. In that range you can make things like enchanted masks and magical swords with no abilities beyond supernatural sharpness. To make an object rated Artifact 4 or higher however you need Craft/Lore/Occult rated at (the object's artifact rating + 2). So a 4 or 5 dot artifact cannot be made at all unless we have Craft/Lore/Occult all rated at 6 or 7 -- and those values are impossible for non-elder Solars to have. We would have to wait until we hit essence 7, which means we can't even get started on it until we are at least 250 years old due to elder essence age minimums.

 

[BFldyq]

The Evil Pieces are very similar to Exaltations in the sense that they are objects which grant mortals permanent passive abilities and typically change the very nature of what that mortal is (Exaltation vs Reincarnation).

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That's really that, actually. Their are plenty of abilities can turn a human into a different type of being. Turning someone into a different species, even a magical species, is far easier then making an Exaltation.

 

[Smuthunter]

That's really that, actually. Their are plenty of abilities can turn a human into a different type of being. Turning someone into a different species, even a magical species, is far easier then making an Exaltation.

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Lots of things are easier than making an Exaltation. Picking a fight with Ligier and living to tell about it for example. :notfunny: