Michael Morningstar
Depressed and tired with random bouts of horny
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So is this actually back or just a one off update?
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A bit of both. While it's back, updates will remain infrequent for whatever reason.
Might be because you have made a mockery of both the law AND its spirit itself, while also pissing on whatever M.O. you spout daily. Then, when it's pointed out that you have failed to do anything about anything, you consider 'we are a totally different branch' to be a good/valid rebuttal to said issues. That's without going into the general sleezyness that your own branch employs.
Might be because you have made a mockery of both the law AND its spirit itself, while also pissing on whatever M.O. you spout daily. Then, when it's pointed out that you have failed to do anything about anything, you consider 'we are a totally different branch' to be a good/valid rebuttal to said issues. That's without going into the general sleezyness that your own branch employs.
But it could be that she simply dislikes your haircut instead, I'm sure!
"WhY wOuLdN't AnYoNe TrUsT uS?!?!"
Well, at least it's clearly in-character for him to be an idiot, and least in terms of interacting with traumatised people.And specifically in Nebula's case? When Taylor flat out told him two of the three girls that triggered her by trying to murder her were Wards in Brockton Bay? He all but patted her on the head and said "There, there girly. I'm sure it couldn't have been that bad."
Now why should someone he condescended to fail to trust him?
I was bullied like Taylor in high school (minus The Locker and anything to do with e-mail or cell phones due to this being in the mid 1990's when it was illegal to have a cell phone at a K-12 school in Illinois from 1988-2002), and both the school psychologist and the Dean acted that way and said I was exaggerating how bad it was. They were worse than Blackwell in that they punished me for "getting involved in a violent incident" or "not de-escalating the situation". Then they started to say I had "no respect for authority" instead of realizing that I simply had no respect for them after they lost my respect due to double standards and unfair treatment. Also couldn't comprehend why I didn't trust them when they'd blame me for anything and everything then punish me for stuff caused by the bullies.And specifically in Nebula's case? When Taylor flat out told him two of the three girls that triggered her by trying to murder her were Wards in Brockton Bay? He all but patted her on the head and said "There, there girly. I'm sure it couldn't have been that bad."
Now why should someone he condescended to fail to trust him?
You know... one thing I noticed is through the entire interlude is that No one called Taylor by her real name. Just the name the PRT forced on her. I wonder if that is symbolic of the fact that all parties is just trying to use Taylor for their own ends instead of caring about the person behind the title.
Plus they can't even pretend to be different capes since it was mentioned earlier in the story that Wards rules prohibit Wards from having alternate identities outside of their approved one so they are fucked if they try that as well.It also means the Brockton Bay Team is fucked when caught, because they have gotten Image branding, and are subject to those rules.
Rennick sighed, "What your baracks lawyer failed to figure out? Is that in the purely hypothetical case of a provisional Ward going on patrol? In theory until Image finalizes a Ward's official image for the public, the provisional Ward can't be punished for any allegeded unauthorized patroling. And if they maintain their theoretical insistence on not undergoing power testing, the whole onboarding process of this notional Ward is in limbo."
Rennick glared at the Wards in front of him, so Piggot didn't have to take official notice that included manditory reporting to the Youth Guard. "However in the very real cases in front of me, none of that applies. Since you all did undergo power testing then Image Branding by PR."
Maybe not the charter, but make power testing mandatory instead of optional. Although again, what happens if she refuses to comply? They can't force her for proper testing, and I'm sure the Youth Guard would frown on many of the tests I can think of that would be needed to force her.Plus they can't even pretend to be different capes since it was mentioned earlier in the story that Wards rules prohibit Wards from having alternate identities outside of their approved one so they are fucked if they try that as well.
Besides that I have to wonder what the PRT legal team is doing regarding Phase since they can't change the Wards charter on account of one Ward who hasn't technically done anything wrong without changing the charter for the entire program which is probably not an easy thing to do. The only option they really have would be to change her contract which they can't do without her consent.
Maybe not the charter, but make power testing mandatory instead of optional. Although again, what happens if she refuses to comply? They can't force her for proper testing, and I'm sure the Youth Guard would frown on many of the tests I can think of that would be needed to force her.
I dunno, according to the most recent chapter at least one of them is dumb enough to think that punishing Taylor as a criminal sounds like a wonderful idea, even though they were immediately told their idea was stupid by the other person in the room.That said, the basic problem hasn't changed yet. If they push too hard Taylor she will run or officially become a villain, and the adults while not particularly competent to deal with Piggot's mess are not stupid enough to wish such a lose-lose scenario.
Nope.A more serious issue is that if Taylor is caught breaking vigilante laws the PRT/Protectorate will have enough cause for asking a judge to force Phase through mandatory power testing
Breaking vigilante laws in Worm is easier said than done considering it took Sophia crucifying and killing a man before the Protectorate finally took notice and try and arrest her. So Taylor giving a few bruises and breaking a bone or two shouldn't be grounds enough to actually push for an arrest, cus you know injuries will happen during an arrest especially against gangsters and other parahumans. Not sure how law enforcement considers vigilantes considering they have pretty much become cultural staples at this point on Earth Bet.A more serious issue is that if Taylor is caught breaking vigilante laws the PRT/Protectorate will have enough cause for asking a judge to force Phase through mandatory power testing because is almost certain breaking those is a felony (putting a costume to do copious assault and battery on criminals is frowned by the justice system) and against felons many rights are wavered, especially those that make keeping criminals from committing crimes harder.
Do keep in mind there's a very large difference between what is technically illegal, but nobody actually cares and what is blatantly illegal and enough to get the cops actively hunting you down.Breaking vigilante laws in Worm is easier said than done considering it took Sophia crucifying and killing a man before the Protectorate finally took notice and try and arrest her. So Taylor giving a few bruises and breaking a bone or two shouldn't be grounds enough to actually push for an arrest, cus you know injuries will happen during an arrest especially against gangsters and other parahumans. Not sure how law enforcement considers vigilantes considering they have pretty much become cultural staples at this point on Earth Bet.
Considering that vigilantes are allowed to take loot from criminals I imagine that there is a pretty high threshold to cross into illegality. Plus I imagine brutality charges for vigilantes only really apply if they cause permanent injury, keep attacking after the person goes unconscious or surrenders, or actually kill the person. It is unrealistic considering the setting that Taylor could get in trouble for beating up some gangers, especially if they are actively fighting back against her. So they can't really charge or go after Taylor if she breaks some mugger's arm or else they would alienate all the other independent vigilantes in Boston who will now think the PRT/Protectorate is gonna come after them for minor things like that.Do keep in mind there's a very large difference between what is technically illegal, but nobody actually cares and what is blatantly illegal and enough to get the cops actively hunting you down.
Sophia pinning gangster to the wall and leaving them to bleed to death was enough to pass the second threshold, but she presumably broke the law many times before that, just not anything serious enough to get them actively hunting her.
Taylor will have to avoid breaking the law at all since they'll be watching for even minor violations that would normally be ignored.
Are they? Or is that simply something cops turn a blind eye to as long as you don't overdo it?Considering that vigilantes are allowed to take loot from criminals
That's your opinion, but I find that highly unlikely. Rather I assume there's no such thing as brutality charges because they don't have the ability to arrest anyone - they can get charged with assault like any other citizen, but that depends on the prosecutor deciding it's in the public interest to do so - i.e that's only a risk if you don't have a good relationship with the cops, and go overboard in subduing someone, or mistook what was going on and attacked someone who wasn't committing a crime.Plus I imagine brutality charges for vigilantes only really apply if they cause permanent injury, keep attacking after the person goes unconscious or surrenders, or actually kill the person.
I disagree. There are many ways the author could have it plausible if they want to.It is unrealistic considering the setting that Taylor could get in trouble for beating up some gangers,
Oh, absolutely it's playing chicken. Boxing a crook always is, which is why it simply isn't done outside fiction, beyond carefully-managed community service where the offences are minor enough to merit non-custodial sentencing.
Even the old-timey thing of letting young offenders avoid jail by enlisting went away at the behest of the military themselves, who didn't want the ballache of trying to reform an offender along with the expense of training a useful soldier/sailor. It's rather telling that the only 'military' still taking criminals as recruits is the PMC bits of Russia's military: even the French Foreign Legion is checking criminal records these days.
The Doylist explanation of the likes of Sophia Hess is Wildbow not understanding how this sort of thing works, of course. In fanfic we can have a lot more fun with Watsonian explanations.
I don't know how exactly this went down in "Just a Phase". However, in canon I actually believe that allowing Sophia into the Wards was probably the right call based on what the PRT and the court knew at the time.To quote Ender's Game "For Officers we need volunteers." Gauss and Armstrong forgot that. Or despite deciding Danny was depressed enough to not being able to handle Taylor, would somehow be able to influence her. Now they get to deal with all the lovely fallout of a conscript that doesn't want to be there.
For Sophia? I blame her presence, at least initially, on Alan Barnes bullshitting enough. Basically making it sound like Sophia had good heroic intentions, just poor judgement of risk. IOW a typical teenager. Thus a diversion into the Wards was expected to channel that heroic drive responsibly and effectively.
One thing to remember about bullies is that they tend to be socially adroit, at least more so than their preferred victims. Enough so that they can fake being more believable than the victim when it comes down to conflicting testimony.
Not really Sophia was arrested after she crucified a man, and you can't really do that by accident. So no she was kinda of an obvious sociopath from the start it is just that Emma and her father gave a very good character witnesses for her. Which in this story was probably even better for her since her character witness was a Ward so Sophia might have gotten a better deap then she did in canon.YOUNG vigilante trying to help fight crime that just went a bit too far.
Also because Taylor never actually reported the bullying in canon even though it often happened in front of witnesses so yeah the school really screwed things up royally here. Hell as I stated above it was probably worse then in canon since Emma had been a Ward from the start and Winslow would have reason to appease her beyond the regular her dad is a lawyer bit.The PRT probably checked with Winslow and found a clean record, so I'm blaming the school more than the PRT here as well.