Ragura
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For extra hilarity it's GregAll because some random person with a phone had a bout of insomnia and a poor sense of self-preservation.
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For extra hilarity it's GregAll because some random person with a phone had a bout of insomnia and a poor sense of self-preservation.
A rather different Bakuda-related idea: Bakuda can't make very lethal bombs, though this wasn't known when she held Cornell hostage over a bad grade (so, she was bluffing). Her bombs have a wide range of effects, most of them strange and sometimes funny, but they cannot directly kill you. Create a situation in which something else is more likely to kill you (like causing a car accident), but not directly kill anyone. The threat she holds over the ABB members is not death, but humiliation, something many of them are more afraid of.
Maybe.Or maybe do both... she actually isn't the violent psychopath she pretends to be...
-so that superiority complex was a part of her pre-Trigger personality rather than an affectation.Wildbow said:Bakuda serves as one example. It's implied that her trigger event involved her building up a huge ego with natural genius/intellect, only to have a crushing blow delivered to that ego & her self worth in an case of failure or academic rejection while attending University.
In a broader context for tinkers as a whole, the trauma would be more likely to be mental strain than anything physical, quite possibly an ongoing challenge rather than an immediate crisis.
-so that superiority complex was a part of her pre-Trigger personality rather than an affectation.
Yes. Also, it's an AU, so her canon personality need not apply.Maybe, on the otherhand... Wildbow is an idiot who cannot into nuanced characters.
That too!Yes. Also, it's an AU, so her canon personality need not apply.
The threat she holds over the ABB members is not death, but humiliation, something many of them are more afraid of.
It was posted there, but there were too many other ideas, so it got lost. I'm starting to think I should post more of my ideas to my own thread (see .sig), but I'm not sure how much that would help.Maybe even a specialization in transformation effects - both temporary and permanent (depending on whether the bomb tells her shard to keep the original template).
This would work even better as an NSFW idea![]()
The Entities have been upgrading their shards for billions of years. We see Eden doing some of that in Fortuna's interlude, for example, with her precog clusters.Has anyone done a fic where the main character decides to beat the Entities by upgrading the shards.
If the shards are like networked mainframes and the parahumans are terminals then he or she changes them into laptops that have a more loose network connection.
They dive into Eden's corpse and make her shards into smaller, faster, more powerful and more energy efficient versions of themselves.
They even alter the way that the new Entities reproduce so that they can farm a planet for multiple cycles and then leave without destroying things so that the planet can recover and be used again.
Like crop rotation to use an analogy.
The new smaller smarter Entities blitz Sion and use him to make more of themselves before looking to go after the other old Entities.
The Entities have been upgrading their shards for billions of years. We see Eden doing some of that in Fortuna's interlude, for example, with her precog clusters.
Having a 16-year-old monkey suddenly able to out-perform them at the one thing they've spent billions of years doing would be a bit of a wank, and the not the good kind of wanking (which goes in the NSFW thread).
Why 98?Thinking of yet another Taylor alt-power: She goes by Hecatoncheire (which I hope is the singular of Hecatoncheires), because QA gave her supermultitasking and a psychokinetic Shaker field. Basically, think of the vectors from Elfen Lied, but she has about ninety-eight of them, that she is individually aware and in control of.
Because the name means 'hundred-handed one.' I probably should have linked to the wiki article on them, as well.
If you want to continue you can do it here.It is slightly off-topic so this will be my last response. Your point is based fundamentally on the premise that you can affect what happens in Coil's simulation or that you share a consciousness with the "you" in Coil's sim. You can't and don't. It's a simulation which which you have no contact or control over, because it is purely what the shard thinks will happen in that situation. It's a incredibly accurate thought experiment, but a thought experiment nonetheless, it has no actual interaction with reality. There are no two of you. There's just you, and a mental model of you the shard built.
If you want to continue you can do it here.
I do think you can affect what simulated you does yes. If you want to argue that the shard isn't actually accurate, then I don't really have anything to say. But if it is accurate, then simulated you would act exactly how you would react, so changing how you would react changes how simulated you reacts. I don't think this is that complicated. You don't need contact, you don't need control, you just need the shard to have an accurate prediction of your behaviour.
Like I said, I can't really argue how accurate it is, I'm not familiar enough with canon. I've never heard of shard powers being inaccurate outside of blind spots, but that's not strong evidence or anything. If your decisions or mindset or actions or plans don't affect what happens in Coil's simulation, then- sorry, what? What even is his power then? If you can't, when learning about his power, decide to stop yourself giving information away in the future, then what is it even modelling?I would argue the shard is accurate to a point (an honestly insane point, but a point). Just like the Entities precognition wasn't 100% accurate or they wouldn't have died. The simulated you acts how the shard thinks you would act with the information it has at hand. Given that includes a complete understanding of human psychology, history and a (probably) quantum model of every parahuman's (and only parahumans) brain and psyche, those guesses are pretty fucking accurate. But they aren't always in every way accurate.
If you have a non-Entity derived power they can only model what powers you have displayed and would have an inaccurate psychological model of you because of your unknown powers. Your actual thoughts couldn't be accessed unless you have a shard. It's entirely possible that some completely random-ass coincidence like encountering a dog at the park and improving your mood could subtly throw off the simulation. These are just some examples. So no, simulated you wouldn't act exactly how you would, and it definitely wouldn't be able to keep up realtime adjustments if you undergo a sudden personality change in the middle of the sim. Predictions of that sort can never be inevitable, 100% guaranteed. It's the difference between magical set-in-stone precognition and data-driven guess-work precognition.
The more important point for me is that you don't have to wonder whether you're the real "you" or if the Coil you're about to shoot is the real Coil. You are the real you because you are a discrete (for this purpose) entity. You aren't somehow in both the simulation and the real world, that you have to wonder which one you're in. There is only one real world, the rest is just information in Coil's brainmeat.
Like I said, I can't really argue how accurate it is, I'm not familiar enough with canon. I've never heard of shard powers being inaccurate outside of blind spots, but that's not strong evidence or anything. If your decisions or mindset or actions or plans don't affect what happens in Coil's simulation, then- sorry, what? What even is his power then? If you can't, when learning about his power, decide to stop yourself giving information away in the future, then what is it even modelling?
What am I not getting here?
Your main point doesn't make sense because of course you need to keep in mind you could be a simulation. If you decide to monologue before shooting him, then that would normally be a fairly stupid if mostly harmless indulgence. If you could be a simulation, it becomes a brain-dead move, as he could now know whatever you felt was safe to confide in a dead man with you none the wiser. If you decide to shoot Coil on sight, and he dies to you in a simulation, he now knows you're hostile. If you decide not to shoot him until you know you could kill him at a set time in both, he won't know you're hostile till that time.
Again, am I missing something or not explaining myself coherently?
I know something along these lines happened in a oneshot in somebody's snippet file on SB or SV, but I can't find it.A person with a camera phone or similar arrives as the Undersiders are leaving (zooming in on Tt's butt, something Lisa will make note of later), and records the scene, as well as the conversation with Armsmaster where Taylor tells him what happened, and he tricks her into letting him steal credit. Shortly after Taylor leaves, the cameraperson uploads the video, and links it on PHO (where the thread rapidly points out that not only do the Undersiders know, but based on the bug girl's own testimony, a bunch of ABB thugs know too, so all Armsmaster would have done is make himself look good to the public, without protecting the bug controller at all). Shortly after that, a PRT member monitoring PHO finds the thread, and e-mails the link to Renick and Piggot, as well as whomever is in charge of PR in Brockton Bay (not Glenn, he's head of Image for the entire PRT). The Director is emphatically not happy, Taylor has dozens of suggestions for a cape name and has made a pretty good impression on the public, and Armsmaster's attempt to make himself look good has backfired badly.
All because some random person with a phone had a bout of insomnia and a poor sense of self-preservation.
I know there are two such fics on either SB or SV, one she also manifested characters from the movie "The Nightmare Before Christmas", another where most of Winslow was slaughtered. Both had her end up in the asylum with Seveta.Though Taylor still triggers in the locker, she does so with either Labyrinth's power directly, or QA's version of same (which probably means that she has more control, and is saner than Labyrinth, but not necessarily as much control as she has over her bugs in canon). She stays in place long enough for her power to permeate most or all of the building, though because of her power, she probably isn't inside the locker for quite as long after triggering (because it probably doesn't stay a locker for all that long).
Thoughts?
Only when I play Elder Scrolls games.You don't wonder whether you're in someone else's daydream do you?
How do I put this... you don't need to wonder whether you're a simulation but you do need to keep in mind that he's running simulations. So using that knowledge to change how you'd act to limit what he'll get out of the simulations makes sense yeah?The point is you never need to wonder whether you're a simulation. The simulation is strictly in Coil's head, if you decide to go after him yeah it will show up in the simulation but since that simulation is a simulation, he can't just unkill himself by "choosing a different timeline." In simple words, Coil is a precog, not a reality manipulator. Sure he can simulate reality in his head, but that is no more real than a daydream. You don't wonder whether you're in someone else's daydream do you? There is only one physical one flesh and blood Coil, the one in the same world as everyone else. The "alternate timeline" is just information, it's identical to something like a weather forecast, just more accurate.
How do I put this... you don't need to wonder whether you're a simulation but you do need to keep in mind that he's running simulations. So using that knowledge to change how you'd act to limit what he'll get out of the simulations makes sense yeah?
If it doesn't... I think I'm gonna give up here.
it chooses the second course of action and "sleepwalks" him through acting that timeline out.
Either the shard's precog is good enough that it doesn't need to "sleepwalk" Coil through anything, or there will occasionally be weird errors and glitches where Coil says or does something that doesn't match up to reality. As the latter clearly doesn't happen, we can conclude that no, there is no "sleepwalking" going on, except for the instants where he thinks he's splitting timelines with his power but is really having to make the decision on which to keep based on data the shard hasn't told him yet. At all other times he's acting normally while getting fed "what if" scenarios in the back of his mind.