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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Pete Tong (part 14)
31st December 2012
14:15 GMT -5


Now that feeling I know; that's Anti-Life. I don't know what nonsense it's about to try to convince us of but I'm pretty sure that we're all immune. And my rings may not be able to generate constructs down here but their AI can still monitor my behavioural baselines and trigger my armour's computer to fly an emergency escape.

Objective check. I can destroy this machine by slapping it with crumbler gauntlets. That will probably kill Mr. Sage, Miss Fite and Orchid, and deny us information we could get by studying it. But it would slow down whoever-this-is's attempt to Anti-Life the planet. A couple of weeks ago I might well have just done it, but now I'm hesitating.

Getting them out in a rush is impractical. The plugs in Miss Fite's brain would probably kill her or at the very least cause hard-to-treat brain injuries if not removed with the utmost care. Mr. Sage and Orchid look like I could rip them out, keep them alive with a purple ray and go for distance and then repair them with my rings once we're clear. The problem is that if Mr. Sage isn't already free then there's probably something magical going on that I can't see and that could create problems that I can't fix.

So neither destroying or evacuating are appropriate. Let's hear the villain speech.

"You're not Darkseid." Mr. Free taps his Mother Box, which twinkles silently. Presumably trying to access whatever device whoever said that is using to communicate with us. "I'll never forget his voice. Is that a Metropolis accent?"

Metropolis, named Bruno, criminal, associates with Apokolips. One name, but… This doesn't match anything in his records. Letting a mortal near the Anti-Life suggests that they're actually backing him, rather than just using him as a patsy and stringing him along.

"Bruno Mannheim. I'd say 'delusions of grandeur' but if you've managed all this then you're clearly not deluded."

I think that Mr. Free is frowning under the mask. "Mannheim? A two-bit Intergang thug."

BOOM!

A boom tube opens just in front of the core of the machine, and a-. Agh, ghuh… Someone, someone large and powerful, walks through with their hands behind their back. Ah, camera, don't observe directly, monitor the space in the surrounding area, track when lines of sight to background objects is disrupted-.

"I hardly need that-"

And now I can see him.

"-now."

The face is more or less correct. His hair's a little neater and his moustache is a little shorter and thicker, but it's nothing a salon couldn't do. But the rest… He's gained about seventy centimetres in height, going from one meter sixty to two metres thirty. Most basketball players are now shorter than him, and unlike them he's gotten broader as well. He was always well-muscled, but now he's gone past bodybuilder and into metahuman territory. His altered proportions appear to be preventing him from being muscle-bound and I doubt that he's limited by merely human body tissue.

'Ugly' Mannheim also never wore a suit that good.

Mr. Free's eyes narrow.

"What..? Happened to you?"

Mr. Mannheim doesn't smile. His poise suggests confidence, yes, but his expression is completely sombre. Almost… All supervillains I've encountered would be smiling in a situation like this. Mr. Mannheim certainly used to have a livelier disposition than this.

"You remember the Justice League's attack on Apokolips?"

"Yeah?" Free Your Tongue.

"Darkseid gifted Intergang with certain pieces of equipment. Trifles, really, but that was the point. We exceeded Darkseid's expectations by defeating Infinity Man and handing the children over to him. And he rewarded me."

"You feel like… You're a New God? Is that.. possible?"

Mr. Mannheim glowers, a faint red light burning deep within his eyes. "Yes."

"No."

No is… I have anti-omega effect techniques, but they're rather dependant on me having access to my rings when I confront him. Accessing my armour's subspace arsenal and throwing stuff to block his shots isn't a great solution, but the alternative is flying through the ceiling to create debris and that… Depends on how fast they move and how much they reinforced the roof here.

"Darkseid touched me, and now everything seems so clear. So obvious."

"For those of us who aren't New Gods?"

"Darkseid broke off part of his soul and stuck it inside Mannheim. Anti-Life, Omega Force, Tyranny itself. He's connected to it all."

"And all the better for it."

"You gave Vincent Edge his change of heart. That's why he was so scared. He saw… Darkseid, and thought he was speaking to an angry God."

Of all the reasons to reform…

"He did see an angry god. The one true and absolute power in the universe showed him his own failure."

"Criminality?"

"Living in a way other than in compliance with the will of Darkseid. He has reformed acceptably. I will tolerate his continued existence, though I will crush his hopes and dreams as I crush the hopes and dreams of all who live on this world."

"I'm sorry, I'm not clear how much I'm talking to Darkseid and how much I'm talking to Bruno Mannheim right now. Are your dreams getting crushed too?"

"My dreams are Darkseid's dreams. His vision is my vision. His thoughts are my thoughts. Whatever feeble dreams I had before he transformed me are but a tiny speck in my memory."

"What is your intent here?"

"Earth is a world rich in magic. Everything is tied to everything else by the magical bonds of millennia. I was curious to see how easily those bonds could be turned to the Anti-Life. How easily it could slip from the collective unconscious of this world into the souls of every living thing."

"And then?"

"And then the fragment of Darkseid that is me shall study the broken shell of humanity for any knowledge that can be derived from their fall before I open Fire Pits and truly turn this world into the mirror of Apokolips. All for the glory that is Darkseid." Quail.

It's too early. It's too early and we're not prepared.

Dr. Balewa nods.

"A street shaman and a creature of the Green. But why the girl?"

"Through some black art she contains within her a fragment of the Anti-Life equation. This will enable me to learn of its nature even as it spreads to this world."

Zauriel hardens his face and raises his sword. "Why do you delay, then?"

"Delay? I began the moment you entered the room. Now, die." "Die for Darkseid."
 
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A few bits of Godspeech...
"Yeah?" Free Your Tongue.

"Darkseid gifted Intergang with certain pieces of equipment. Trifles, really, but that was the point. We exceeded Darkseid's expectations by defeating Infinity Man and handing the children over to him. And he rewarded me."

"You feel like… You're a New God? Is that.. possible?"

Mr. Mannheim glowers, a faint red light burning deep within his eyes. "Yes.

"And then the fragment of Darkseid that is me shall study the broken shell of humanity for any knowledge that can be derived from their fall before I open Fire Pits and truly turn this world into the mirror of Apokolips. All for the glory that is Darkseid." Quail.

Zauriel hardens his face and raises his sword. "Why do you delay, then?"

"Delay? I began the moment you entered the room. Now, die." "Die for Darkseid."
 
He made a new son, since he didn't like the other ones.....or at least a extra limb. Doesn't sound like there's too much of the Man left in Mannheim.

If he's had the full support of New Gods the entire time, rather then say, Renegades stolen gear and allies, he might even pack as much or more power in that body. They would have started off around the same time frame. This might be as close as we get to a Paul Vs Grayven Fight for a while.
 
31st December 2012
14:15 GMT -5


Now that feeling I know; that's Anti-Life. I don't know what nonsense it's about to try to convince us but I'm pretty sure that we're all immune. And my rings may not be able to generate constructs down here but their AI can still monitor my behavioural baselines and trigger my armour's computer to fly an emergency escape.

Objective check. I can destroy this machine by slapping it with crumbler gauntlets. That will probably kill Mr. Sage, Miss Fite and Orchid, and deny us information we could get by studying it. But it would slow down whoever-this-is's attempt to Anti-Life the planet. A couple of weeks ago I might well have just done it, but now I'm hesitating.
Yeah, probably a good thing this happened after your change of heart about focusing solely on the objective over the lives of anyone involved. Never know what part The Question, Empress and Black Orchid will play in something, someday. Fate could work around their deaths, but why give it the hassle?

Getting them out in a rush is impractical. The plugs in Miss Fite's brain would probably kill her or at the very least cause hard-to-treat brain injuries it not removed with the utmost care. Mr. Sage and Orchid look like I could rip them out, keep them alive with a purple ray and go for distance and then repair them with ring once we're clear. The problem is that if Mr. Sage isn't already free then there's probably something magical going on that I can't see and that could create problems that I can't fix.

So neither destroying or evacuating are appropriate. Let's hear the villain speech.
Bonus, if you're lucky, whoever's behind this will tell you exactly what they've been doing and were planning. Because guys like this need to feel smarter than everyone.

"You're not Darkseid." Mr. Free taps his Mother Box, which twinkles silently. Presumably trying to access whatever device whoever said that is using to communicate with us. "I'll never forget his voice. Is that as Metropolis accent?"

Metropolis, named Bruno, criminal, associates with Apokolips. One name, but… This doesn't match anything in his records. Letting a mortal near the Anti-Life suggests that they're actually backing him, rather than just using him as a patsy and stringing him along.
Can't he be both? A disposable fragment of Anti-Life, or wired in such a way they can take it back if it looks like he might lose. Whatever happens, whoever's backing him will get a considerable amount of useful data.

"Bruno Mannheim. I'd say 'delusions of grandeur' but if you've managed all this then you're clearly not deluded."

I think that Mr. Free is frowning under the mask. "Mannheim? A two-bit Intergang thug."
Ah, yes, piss him off. Make him angry, make him stupid. And hope he can't just kill you off-hand, or worse.

BOOM!

A boom tube opens just in front of the core of the machine, and a-. Agh, ghuh… Someone, someone large and powerful, walks through with their hands behind their back. Ah, camera, don't observe directly, monitor the space in the surrounding area, track when lines of sight to background objects is disrupted-.
Looks like there's something hinky about the Boom Tube doing a number on one of his more exotic senses.

"I hardly need that-"

And now I can see him.

"-now."
Bruno Mannheim. The waste himself.Looks like for this version, working with Apokalips is paying off...

The face is more or less correct. His hair's a little neater and his moustache is a little shorter and thicker, but it's nothing a salon couldn't do. But the rest… He's gained about seventy centimetres in height, going from one meter sixty to two metres thirty. Most basketball players are now shorter than him, and unlike them he's gotten broader as well. He was always well-muscled, but now he's gone past bodybuilder and into metahuman territory. His altered proportions appear to be preventing him from being muscle-bound and I doubt that he's limited by merely human body tissue.
Guessing 'Father Bruno' is some manner of disguise. Would explain the forgettable nature of his appearance.

'Ugly' Mannheim also never wore a suit that good.

Mr. Free's eyes narrow.
Ha! Kidnapping, Sorcery Most Foul... and Sartorial Misuse. Quite the bevy of crimes.

"What..? Happened to you?"

Mr. Mannheim doesn't smile. His poise suggests confidence, yes, but his expression is completely sombre. Almost… All supervillains I've encountered would be smiling in a situation like this. Mr. Mannheim certainly used to have a livelier disposition than this.
That's probably the Anti-Life. He's probably aware he's little more than a bottom-feeder who got lucky...

"You remember the Justice League's attack on Apokolips?"

"Yeah?" Free Your Tongue.
That's right, get him monologuing. Take the time to think of a way to kick his ass...

"Darkseid gifted Intergang with certain pieces of equipment. Trifles, really, but that was the point. We exceeded Darkseid's expectations by defeating Infinity Man and handing the children over to him. And he rewarded me."

"You feel like… You're a New God? Is that.. possible?"
Looks like Scot doesn't know as much about New Godhood as he thought he did. A good wake-up call, then.

Mr. Mannheim glowers, a faint red light burning deep within his eyes. "Yes.

"No."
I'm guessing he's been imprinted with a tiny fraction of His godly nature. Like stamping a brand on a head of cattle. Or maybe moulding a lump of clay...

No is… I have anti-omega effect techniques, but they're rather dependant on me having access to my rings when I confront him. Accessing my armour's subspace arsenal and throwing stuff to block his shots isn't a great solution, but the alternative is flying through the ceiling to create debris and that… Depends on how fast they move and how much they reinforced the roof here.

"Darkseid touched me, and now everything seems so clear. So obvious."
Ah, something of a religious experience, eh? Did He speak with three million voices?

"For those of us who aren't New Gods?"

"Darkseid broke off part of his soul and stuck it inside Mannheim. Anti-Life, Omega Force, Tyranny itself. He's connected to it all."
Though I don't doubt Darkseid has a very tight hold of the leash, so He can reclaim His property.

"And all the better for it."

"You gave Vincent Edge his change of heart. That's why he was so scared. He saw… Darkseid, and thought he was speaking to an angry God."
Or a glimpse of a Devil...

Of all the reasons to reform…

"He did see an angry god. The one true and absolute power in the universe showed him his own failure."
Gee, how nice of him. I suppose he's at least doing some good in all this, though. Once they sort out the Anti-Life infection stuff...

"Criminality?"

"Living in a way other than in compliance with the will of Darkseid. He has reformed acceptably. I will tolerate his continued existence, though I will crush his hopes and dreams as I crush the hopes and dreams who live on this world."
Oh, hush up, Bruno. You don't have nearly the gravitas of Ol' Ironsides. :p

"I'm sorry, I'm not clear how much I'm talking to Darkseid and how much I'm talking to Bruno Mannheim right now. Are your dreams getting crushed too?"

"My dreams are Darkseid's dreams. His vision is my vision. His thoughts are my thoughts. Whatever feeble dreams I had before he transformed me are but a tiny speck in my memory."
So, not much left of the man he was, then.

"What is your intent here?"

"Earth is a world rich in magic. Everything is tied to everything else by the magical bonds of millennia. I was curious to see how easily those bonds could be turned to the Anti-Life. How easily it could slip from the collective unconscious of this world into the souls of every living thing."
Ah... Yes, that could be a problem. :oops: What with the Life Entity napping inside Earth's metaphysical core... Well done, Guardians.

"And then?"

"And then the fragment of Darkseid that is me shall study the broken shell of humanity for any knowledge that can be derived from their fall before I open Fire Pits and truly turn this world into the mirror of Apokolips. All for the glory that is Darkseid." Quail.
Yeah, no. Not going to be letting anything that fowl go on. There's a lot of people ready and willing to take issue with that plan.

It's too early. It's too early and we're not prepared.

Dr. Balewa nods.
Unfortunately, I don't think he's going to let you retreat. Typical 'Boss Arena Lockdown' fake difficulty...

"A street shaman and a creature of the Green/ But why the girl?"

"Through some black art she contains within her a fragment of the Anti-Life equation. This will enable me to learn of its nature even as it spreads to this world."
And the other are useful tools to allow it to touch others? Sounds about right.

Zauriel hardens his face and raises his sword. "Why do you delay, then?"

"Delay? I began the moment you entered the room. Now, die." "Die for Darkseid."
Ah, pre-fight cutscenes. Let's hope it's skippable if you have to reload a save... :rolleyes:

Well, this seems pretty terrible. Not sure things could get much worse, huh? Oh, wait. Plenty of Sheeda beasties lurking somewhere nearby, no doubt. That would put just the best cap on this day. Still, this could be possibly one of the best team compositions to handle this fight. Just a matter of who's going to tank, lacking a Superman...
 
I don't know what nonsense it's about to try to convince us but
'us of'?
hard-to-treat brain injuries it not removed with the utmost care
'if'
go for distance and then repair them with ring once we're clear
'my rings'?
Is that as Metropolis accent?
'a'
though I will crush his hopes and dreams as I crush the hopes and dreams who live on this world.
'of those who live'?
 
It's too early. It's too early and we're not prepared
Isn't that your own fault though? You went into this firmly believing you were the biggest fish in the pond and could handle anything that might get thrown at you.

Hell, just a few minutes ago you were literally bragging about how you would kill Darkseid. So here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is against a fraction of his strength.
 
Isn't that your own fault though? You went into this firmly believing you were the biggest fish in the pond and could handle anything that might get thrown at you.

Hell, just a few minutes ago you were literally bragging about how you would kill Darkseid. So here's your chance to put your money where your mouth is against a fraction of his strength.
Replying to Vaermina: He said Darkseid was on the list after the Reach.


Saying I plan to eventually be good enough at chess to beat a grandmaster, doesn't mean you're ready to beat a drunk grandmaster today.

Although I'd bet on Paul and Co against Mini-Darkseid right now. I think he means he's not ready to beat Apokolips.
 
Now that feeling I know; that's Anti-Life. I don't know what nonsense it's about to try to convince us of but I'm pretty sure that we're all immune

Nope, you're really not.

And my rings may not be able to generate constructs down here but their AI can still monitor my behavioural baselines and trigger my armour's computer to fly an emergency escape.

Not necessarily.

Power Rings aren't immune to Darkseid's power, as we saw with renegade.

Objective check. I can destroy this machine by slapping it with crumbler gauntlets. That will probably kill Mr. Sage, Miss Fite and Orchid, and deny us information we could get by studying it. But it would slow down whoever-this-is's attempt to Anti-Life the planet. A couple of weeks ago I might well have just done it, but now I'm hesitating

Good show.

Though I'm wondering if that's because of your recent revelations with the JSI or because Anti-Life is doing this.

Mr. Mannheim doesn't smile. His poise suggests confidence, yes, but his expression is completely sombre. Almost… All supervillains I've encountered would be smiling in a situation like this. Mr. Mannheim certainly used to have a livelier disposition than this

That's what happens when you have Anti-Life in you.

You feel like… You're a New God? Is that.. possible?"

You should know about the Key, and Barda said that he was once human.

Darkseid broke off part of his soul and stuck it inside Mannheim. Anti-Life, Omega Force, Tyranny itself. He's connected to it all."

Oh boy, so he may be stronger than your typical Awakened.

You gave Vincent Edge his change of heart. That's why he was so scared. He saw… Darkseid, and thought he was speaking to an angry God."

Of all the reasons to reform…

To be fair, the fact that he knew that Hell exists and that Angels are real could have also played at least a small part.

"Delay? I began the moment you entered the room. Now, die

How very Ozimandias of you.
 
Guessing 'Father Bruno' is some manner of disguise. Would explain the forgettable nature of his appearance.

Yeah, a giant grey guy would probably raise a few eyebrows.

Even in a place with a lot of metahumans.

Looks like Scot doesn't know as much about New Godhood as he thought he did. A good wake-up call, then.

To be fair, he didn't receive the best education and this Awakening thing may be fairly new, so he may have not heard about it.

Though they knew the Key was human, so he should probably know about that.

Unless he forgot.

Or a glimpse of a Devil...

Hey, don't insult Lucifer.

Ah... Yes, that could be a problem. :oops: What with the Life Entity napping inside Earth's metaphysical core... Well done, Guardians.

How were they supposed to know that the big grey emo would want the planet?

Darkseid may not have even been born when they put it there.
 
Oh boy. Well, the best is to hope Darkseid isn't too invested and this is more a casual relationship, though that's not likely.

Those guys hooked up do need help. Hopefully it won't screw them up forever if they get out.
 
We saw earlier in this episode Paul can alter, possibly permanently, a New God's desires. This episode could end with Paul forcibly changing Darkseid or at least this "Avatar" of Darkseid or maybe Paul forces Bruno's desires to the forefront and cuts the link with Darkseid.
 
What. we know of New Gods who have died. Never heard of one of the seven entities being capable of dying.

It's happened once- in that idiotic post flashpoint "The universe is dying because the rainbow lanterns are using up all the emotional energy" storyline.

The entities sacrificed themselves to restore the reservoir.

But the death of the entities is certainly implied in Blackest Night- The goal was to kill the White Light Entity.

Presumably the death of the white light entity would have killed the rest of them, and since the White Light Entity seemed to be the strongest of them all, if it can be killed than the others should be killable.

But that took a special plan from Nekron, who is essentially the embodiment of oblivion.
 
It's happened once- in that idiotic post flashpoint "The universe is dying because the rainbow lanterns are using up all the emotional energy" storyline.

The entities sacrificed themselves to restore the reservoir.

But the death of the entities is certainly implied in Blackest Night- The goal was to kill the White Light Entity.

Presumably the death of the white light entity would have killed the rest of them, and since the White Light Entity seemed to be the strongest of them all, if it can be killed than the others should be killable.

But that took a special plan from Nekron, who is essentially the embodiment of oblivion.

Yeah, even then the Entities feel way less Killable than New Gods
 
Yeah, even then the Entities feel way less Killable than New Gods

Based off of some very long winded "Well x can do this so y should scale to that too" power scaling The Emotional Embodiments should be above basically everything in DC baring the absolute peaks the setting has ever had for power (think stuff like The Overmonitor, RETCONN, and Superman not holding back), which Darksied absolutely gets trounced by since he can't even stack up to Trigon. Anti-Life maybe has a better chance just because of what it is, but even then that's not exactly a perfect weakness since even The Black Light hasn't managed to turn The Glow off and I'd argue it's a bit more potent.
 
It's happened once- in that idiotic post flashpoint "The universe is dying because the rainbow lanterns are using up all the emotional energy" storyline.

The entities sacrificed themselves to restore the reservoir.

But the death of the entities is certainly implied in Blackest Night- The goal was to kill the White Light Entity.

Presumably the death of the white light entity would have killed the rest of them, and since the White Light Entity seemed to be the strongest of them all, if it can be killed than the others should be killable.

But that took a special plan from Nekron, who is essentially the embodiment of oblivion.
I will not be using anything of that storyline, because it was stupid.
 

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