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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Silverias
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This needs to be linked to "Friends on the Other Side."
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Been a while since we saw Grayven, I was even a bit lost about what was going on.
Is this convenient timing or has this Perry White (Luthor) Jr. been on this deal for a while and got caught recently due to Grayven's interest in Succubus stuff?
Honestly, comic universes usually have more than one, more than a handful even, there's normally a whole lot of those available.
Is this convenient timing or has this Perry White (Luthor) Jr. been on this deal for a while and got caught recently due to Grayven's interest in Succubus stuff?
Honestly, comic universes usually have more than one, more than a handful even, there's normally a whole lot of those available.
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Improbably -> Improbable
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That should say 'his'.
What does the Renegade have to do to become even more terrifying than Constantine for demons? Will it only happen once he starts his Harrowing of Hell?
That quotation mark should be moved to the end.
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Great to see more from Grayven and I do like the implication that paranormal and otherworldly events have become so common knowledge that there are bureaucratic checks set by the government.
It's a funny image to me that Grayven claiming suzerainty over Earth means that he's stuck with the bureaucratic busywork and "janitorial duties".
It's a funny image to me that Grayven claiming suzerainty over Earth means that he's stuck with the bureaucratic busywork and "janitorial duties".
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...I suppose it's safe to guess he isn't Lex Luthor's biological son in this universe. If only because of how stupid he appears to be. Any son of Lex would be quite smarter. Now, what on Earth did he do to get this treatment?
...Evidently it's something that can make the Renegade ashamed to have to deal with, huh?
Well, that sums up his initial outlook on 'Jerry's intelligence, at least.
...Well, if they made it difficult, they wouldn't get any takers.
Not the best thing to be proud of, but you do you, kid.
Now, is it deserved 'shit' or are you trying to pretend you're a complete angel?
I mean, it can't have been worth much, after all. Maybe getting an escort would have been cheaper?
And this is why you put the warnings before the spells, fellows. Preferably with pictorial aids for morons.
That practice in fatherly patience coming in handy.
And give him your best 'Son, I am disappoint' stare, right?
Well, that is what some mythology says about them, at least.
Certainly he probably has fans in some low places thanks to that.
Probably not the sort he'd be willing to associate with, though......Or just about any other pieces of fiction. Seriously.
Wait, you actually managed to...
Huh. That would be the unlucky demoness now, then. Because seriously, Jerry here does not sound like the best of customers.
"Oh, hells, I'm sick of sitting around watching this inane reality teevee!' I'm sure that can't have been the most pleasant posting.
...Oooh, now she's in trouble. Don't mess with the USCIS.
...Not unless they have a really peculiar powerset, anyway.
Yeah, you got that right. And not the fun kind, either.
Okay, that's probably the smartest thing Jerry's said yet.
...Ah. Bone-snake lady is kind of impatient about this stuff, huh?
Right, that'll put a dampener on the whole
Except this one doesn't end up with you eventually owning a home. Maybe buying a farm, but not one you could live on.
And no need to point out that that would get your soul condemned to Hell anyway. Jerry's not that stupid.
...She's not one of the Lady's smarter servants, is she?
Well, perhaps you shouldn't have taken to thinking with your lower head. That blind little bastard will get you into all sorts of trouble, you know.
Let's hope hearing her sound so chipper about the concept of killing or enslaving infants has shaken some sense into him...
Now to see if she has more brains than Jerry does.
True, she was only doing her job, but still... Considering what that job is...
Oof. Foul blow to the ego there.
And I can't help imagining him wondering if he's just trading one bad contract for another...
Jerry should honestly be a little more careful about making deals with arcane beings. But at least this one doesn't want him for dinner. I see the Renegade is still chasing down options about the status of the post-mortal Succupire kids. And I have the feeling he's not going to take any kind of guff from the denizens of Hell in this matter. So the Lady is for an interesting time.
Double Space there.
I gesture to the two agents accompanying her.
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Found another error. That apostrophe should be removed.
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Y'know, hearing about Hell again makes me remember what an awful time Paragon-Paul experienced when practicing with alchemy pools. Agony and Extasy were infuriating, and genuinely threatening. The technomagic revolution down there made the grunts troublesome too.
What I'm saying is, I hope when the biggest players in Hell stick their heads out of their turtleshells for a bite? That Grayven has a machete ready. A good counter is more satisfying than "going for an enthusiastic walk," if you ask me. I wouldn't say no to dropping warded blizzard generators down there instead though, that's quite acceptable.
What I'm saying is, I hope when the biggest players in Hell stick their heads out of their turtleshells for a bite? That Grayven has a machete ready. A good counter is more satisfying than "going for an enthusiastic walk," if you ask me. I wouldn't say no to dropping warded blizzard generators down there instead though, that's quite acceptable.
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The ability to win against things older and more terrifying then Darkseid?
Multiple members of The Endless who owe him favors?
The ability to rewrite his fate in the book of destiny?
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The first usually happens at great cost, I'm not sure any of the Endless owe John a favor, and I wasn't aware of the last one. Can you quote when that happened?
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I can just picture Grayven standing in Hell's Whorehouse surrounded by succubae while holding Queen Triscuit on a leash. "Alright bitches! You're now under New God Management!"
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Oh boy.
Wpnder if this is connected to Lex.
Honestly, it's possible that demons prefer to be summoned by amateurs and even do most of the work in the summoning process.
A powerful expert is likely able to banish or bind them in a way that they can't get out of, but a newbie wouldn't be able to do it.
You really are a god.
"as his wish"
Because that's just so good.
You're doing a great job for your case here.
Just...great.
She's her boss.
Few people like their boss.
PJ here is getting some interesting friends.
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Hey, sometimes intelligence can skip a generation.
And Lex has also done a lot of stupid shit himself, so PJ here may be very much like him.
He's naive, not very bright, and magically weak.
He's a fairly good customer for a demon.
Or she's just desperate.
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Every bell curve has a shallow end, though admittedly hitting the sweet spot where you're smart enough to perform the magic while being stupid enough to perform the magic is a bit rarer.
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Been rereading some arcs, and the comments.
I think I recall when I first lost track of the fic, cuz before I used to read the daily updates.
It was when Nazi Earth appeared, frankly, seeing Paul be so unempathetic (ironically for someone supposedly enlightened), and frankly insensitive, condescending, and riduculously anal retentive like insisting that people use "National Socialist" to everyone he meets, came too close to defending and white washing them. Like, why the hell does he feel the need to remind and pester people about insistent terminology when it just makes him look and sound like a smartass and a Nazi whitewasher?
Honestly, I got the impression that Paul's a Nazi sympathiser or white washer; oh sorry National Socialist sympathiser, getting the terminology wrong is worse than being offended that someone's an unrepentant National Socialist being it's being rude according to Paul.
Sure, he says in the JSI arc that National Socialism never appealed to him, but frankly first impressions last, and the passionate and insistent defence he's always ready to give and that he's such an insensitive dick at times I have no trouble believing he's a Nazi sympathiser or at least a white washer.
Hell, the second biggest shock I had when he told JSI Kara that being a Nazi never appealed to him was he actually pulled his head out of his ass enough to not use "National Socialism never appealed to him", the biggest was admitting being a Nazi never appealed to him, which frankly I can't 100% believe given everything.
Want the ends, want the means. The Nazi Earth already exterminated the lesser races, so to Paul, the modern Nazis are completely alright. It's like the Japanese people completely unwilling to even acknowledge the atrocities that happened in WWII, Nazi Earth is unrepentant and doesn't find anything wrong with what they did and Paul's an ardent defender ready to justify to the people he knows why that's fine and just, as they should just forget it and they're all being silly about having qualms with working with genuine Nazis, and that National Socialism is totally fine now since Nazi Earth's already finished with the genocides and exterminations so only the good parts are left.
Edit: Sorry about, just needed to get it off my chest.
I think I recall when I first lost track of the fic, cuz before I used to read the daily updates.
It was when Nazi Earth appeared, frankly, seeing Paul be so unempathetic (ironically for someone supposedly enlightened), and frankly insensitive, condescending, and riduculously anal retentive like insisting that people use "National Socialist" to everyone he meets, came too close to defending and white washing them. Like, why the hell does he feel the need to remind and pester people about insistent terminology when it just makes him look and sound like a smartass and a Nazi whitewasher?
Honestly, I got the impression that Paul's a Nazi sympathiser or white washer; oh sorry National Socialist sympathiser, getting the terminology wrong is worse than being offended that someone's an unrepentant National Socialist being it's being rude according to Paul.
Sure, he says in the JSI arc that National Socialism never appealed to him, but frankly first impressions last, and the passionate and insistent defence he's always ready to give and that he's such an insensitive dick at times I have no trouble believing he's a Nazi sympathiser or at least a white washer.
Hell, the second biggest shock I had when he told JSI Kara that being a Nazi never appealed to him was he actually pulled his head out of his ass enough to not use "National Socialism never appealed to him", the biggest was admitting being a Nazi never appealed to him, which frankly I can't 100% believe given everything.
Want the ends, want the means. The Nazi Earth already exterminated the lesser races, so to Paul, the modern Nazis are completely alright. It's like the Japanese people completely unwilling to even acknowledge the atrocities that happened in WWII, Nazi Earth is unrepentant and doesn't find anything wrong with what they did and Paul's an ardent defender ready to justify to the people he knows why that's fine and just, as they should just forget it and they're all being silly about having qualms with working with genuine Nazis, and that National Socialism is totally fine now since Nazi Earth's already finished with the genocides and exterminations so only the good parts are left.
Edit: Sorry about, just needed to get it off my chest.
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After double checking, I've confirmed that the missing quotation mark at the end is only present in the story only version.
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Thank you, corrected. For real this time.
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I wonder which patron Zatanna's chosen. Cuz, with the Silver City's record in the fic, it's a foregone conclusion, that arc probably brought a wave of conversions actually, I'm estimating it to at least be in the six digits.
She was thinking of converting and Paul's definitely gonna encourage her, even if Giovanni's devout and tries to convince Zatanna otherwise, Paul's probably just gonna point out the foolishness of his faith since the angels didn't do anything during his possession and go for a two for one conversion.
I'm betting on Hecate, hard to find a more fitting patron to a homo magi than a goddess of witchcraft.
Would asking about that be a spoiler Mr Zoat ?
She was thinking of converting and Paul's definitely gonna encourage her, even if Giovanni's devout and tries to convince Zatanna otherwise, Paul's probably just gonna point out the foolishness of his faith since the angels didn't do anything during his possession and go for a two for one conversion.
I'm betting on Hecate, hard to find a more fitting patron to a homo magi than a goddess of witchcraft.
Would asking about that be a spoiler Mr Zoat ?
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I remember her considering Aphrodite, but she was emotionally devastated at the time, so that may no longer be considered.
I'm thinking that a lot of Khandaq is going to start worshipping the Khandaqi gods.
The Shinto could also probably find converts.
Most pantheons didn't do anything to stop the Anti-Life, so they may still not get any converts.
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Eh, given the track record of the Silver City, I expect Christianity to be a dead religion in-universe by the time the fic's done.
And OL to provoke a religious war with Islam because he's just that dense and unempathetic to sensitive topics and condescending when he thinks people are being idiots.
On the Khandaqi, maybe. Hard to find more zealous people than the Muslim, they'd be grateful to Teth Adom, and the common citizen likely won't be hung up about Khandaq expanding its borders due to his help in fighting off the Anti-Life. Then again, nah, you're right. Islam's about to get a big decrease in worshippers I think.
Though that does remind me, I wonder what happened with Billy.
Susanoo was willing to act as a patron, but I admit Zauriel appealing to his superiors to empower Billy is ironic. It's not like the Wizard would be against it given Solomon, but that'll just repeat the problem down the line when the Silver City is destroyed and Zauriel is the last angel in existence, as for the souls in it, eh, I'm sure OL can just dump them in Elysium or something, close enough.
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Mr Zoat confirmed that they were instead able to get Zeus' power back into Billy.
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Huh, good to know. Thanks.
Billy rocking some theurgy or what Susanoo's got would have been fun, ah well, the name's too iconic I suppose lol
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I doubt.
If the fic ends millenia into the future in-universe, then maybe.
But I think that the Abrahamic faiths will just lose some worshippers after this.
Heck, with the Life Entity being seen, they may actually experience a resurgence and growth if it's attributed to the Abrahamic god.
This is...sadly plausible.
He got Susanoo as a Power patron.
Last we saw him I think he was doing the same thing Adom was doing and used that power to help free people from Anti-Life.
Nommo was worried that the Shinto would side with Darkseid due to pragmatism, but it didn't happen.
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I found the quote that confirms that Zeus is still sponsoring Billy.
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Personally, I think OL's the type of guy to reveal to the world that Jesus was a nephilim born of rape and the whole "Son of God" thing is a complete lie and propaganda piece (since Zoat's using Hellblaizer's continuity for that) if he gets pissed enough at someone or something and it'd hurt them if this was revealed. Regardless of "burying the hatchet" with Zauriel.
It's only Christianity that'd implode or disolvw into anarchy, Judaism and Islam might weather that big reveal a little better.
Eh, I sincerely doubt OL would let people attribute the Life Entity's actions to the Presence. Technically there's a connection since the Life Entity is the light in "let there be light". But do you seriously expect Paul to tell people that something useful came out of the Presence? No way.
If he had to choose between a world wide press conference that'd inform people about the Life Entity and what it is and that it's on Earth to clear things up, or letting the secret remain and let people misguidedly attribute it to the Presence, I doubt he'll let the latter slide.
Even disregarding the fact that the Presence created the Life Entity, OL's biased. He has a habit of knowingly framing things in the worst possible light and deliberately leaving things out of context about things he doesn't like when telling other people.
And yeah, Paul's gonna trigger a religious outrage and outcry one of these days, and he'll not give a shit and be completely oblvious why they could possibly take offence aside from being them being idiots.
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Not exactly. Due to the Cold War going a little differently, the sort of 'spicy' Islam we're used to is a much smaller thing mostly limited to the border region between Afghanisan and Pakistan. The largest unifying ideology in the Middle East is anti-colonial pan-Arab nationalism. Even if peoples faith took a hit, cultural inertia would keep them doing a lot of things assocatied with it.
As for Jesus, it's not like he can prove anything.
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Gotcha, so when OL innevitably puts his foot in his mouth, yes to religious outcry but no attempted assinations and suicide bombings from religious extremists. Then again, by the time he puts his foot in his mouth enough to get that big an outrcy, there's probably not even gonna be enough people believing in that sort of hogwash to be offended.
As for that, it's easy. Ask for Diana to lend the lasso (since he's confident at lending and leaving the Spear of Destiny to Hecate permanently, and he's got the rapport with Diana to ask to borrow it) and get Zauriel. Arrange for a live broadcast unbeknownst to Zauriel and not tell anyone what he's gonna ask and keep it secret until it's too late to keep it hidden. Then, boom. Straight from an angel's mouth that Jesus was Gabriel's rape baby, with the lasso of truth making sure it's the entire sordid truth. Boom, Christianity takes the biggest hit it's ever had in recent history at the least.
OL's done things like these, overblown, and over the top retribution to get back at someone that hurt what was his, but didn't fully think about the splash back of said retribution. Sure, the Silver City's amount of believers being slashed by a third is a positive for Paul, but he probably wouldn't anticipate how that many people will act during a crisis of faith and having everything the were taught to believe in be a lie, and how annoying it'd be for him to have to run damage control and making his friends and colleagues about also running damage control because the masses aren't being reasonable and just calmly and orderly converting to better options available instead of this hullabaloo about mass hysteria.
Cuz, Paul's incredibly unempathetic regarding what people feel. He's a utilitarian who's forgotten (if he ever knew) how to empathize with the individual who's not in his ingroup, and as far as he's concerned, people he does care about that are Christian are better off finding a different patron in regards to benefits.
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Is it a negative interpretation of Paul? Maybe. But I find myself harder to like him as time goes on, as stuff he did piles up.
I still quite like the story though, and the alternate Pauls are still a treat to read about.
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Hu...No wonder he fits so well with the Olympians. Never thought of it that way. Over the top reaction to slights (in this case slights to his loved ones), and screwings tons of people because he didn't make the retribution only affect the target.
That being said, it's interesting to see history diverge slightly due to the butterflies of having superheroes and villains around with schizo tech and magic for a time period outside WWII.
Having the looming threat of superhumans around does make sense that it'd make the Cold War be different.
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