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He likely fabricated it in the 3 hour time gap. Between when he was scanning the Nox's city and when he was using them to raid the android planet.
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He likely fabricated it in the 3 hour time gap. Between when he was scanning the Nox's city and when he was using them to raid the android planet.
*Notices he missed the timestamp separator because of all the bold text in the chapter and sweetdrops.*He likely fabricated it in the 3 hour time gap. Between when he was scanning the Nox's city and when he was using them to raid the android planet.
Nox Stealth isn't technology, it's psychic. (We see this when they cloak a Tolan Ion Canon.)
He drops it, spilling it on the ground, and then looks around. "Are you hunting? That doesn't usually work very well."
"No. Not hunting. It doesn't usually work very well."
Yes, it was intentional.Hmm. Is there a reason this is repeated back, or was it just to show agreement with his reasoning?
Since you switched That to It, I assume it was deliberate and not a copy paste thing, though I guess I could be wrong.
He found a Lantern in Mammon's crashed ship.Mr Zoat
I am sure it's been said before but, How exactly is he keeping the ring supplied with power?
Also Glad to see that Stargate stuff they left lieing around actually put to any use what so ever.
Mr Zoat
I am sure it's been said before but, How exactly is he keeping the ring supplied with power?
Also Glad to see that Stargate stuff they left lieing around actually put to any use what so ever.
You mean he took everything that wasn't nailed down.Original Mammon found an Orange Lantern, which precipitated his betrayal of Ra and subsequent termination. SI appeared around Syrania, scanned for power sources and found the personal lantern in... Mammon's treasury, I think? Took it and everything of value and then presented himself to the locals, and he's been Paulmon ever since. Here.
As per Starring (part 1), there was one in Mammon's cheops, a piece of tribute that was supposed to go to Ra but entranced actual Mammon. The SI doesn't know how it got there.Mr Zoat
I am sure it's been said before but, How exactly is he keeping the ring supplied with power?
It annoyed me when they brought back the robot team in the series only to kill them off. Would have been funny if Robot Carter and Robot O'Neill ended up together.Also Glad to see that Stargate stuff they left lieing around actually put to any use what so ever.
Yeahannoyed me when they brought back the robot team in the series only to kill them off. Would have been funny if Robot Carter and Robot O'Neill ended up together.
They actually couldn't explore their world, not without far more protective equipment than they could easily manufacture. Altair is highly radioactive and drenched with highly acidic rain. The Ancients' habit of unleashing catastrophes included their own homeworld.Yeah
I mean they no longer have work ethics to worry about since they were abandoned by their government and it's not like they haven't teased the relationship with alternates before.
And the robot them makes no since. An entire world of techno-wonders they could have effectively doubled (if not more I don't know how their thing works) their personal thru the Life Model Decoys and left them permanently their to peruse all that tech with a man right freaking there to explain it all! A hundred Samantha Carters and other assorted staff to out think their problems. But oh No! This robot thing feels weird let's lock them away so we don't cross uncomfortable lines!
They weren't Ancients, and that wasn't their homeworld.They actually couldn't explore their world, not without far more protective equipment than they could easily manufacture. Altair is highly radioactive and drenched with highly acidic rain. The Ancients' habit of unleashing catastrophes included their own homeworld.
Given the universe of Babylon 5 doesn't pull it's punches? I'm doubtful of it.So I heard Babylon 5….. so does that mean that Eventually we'll get something in that Universe cause I would just love that.
They actually couldn't explore their world, not without far more protective equipment than they could easily manufacture. Altair is highly radioactive and drenched with highly acidic rain. The Ancients' habit of unleashing catastrophes included their own homeworld.
Ah. Well, it's nice to know that there's one disaster that they're not responsible for.The Ancient/Alterans homeworld was in the Ori galaxy, the first Alteran colony in the milky way was Dakara, and Earth was a world they settled and were the Tauri breed developed, the people of Altair were a different civilization of humans the Alterans also made and developed independently until their demise (assumed to be self inflicted) IE they likely started around the same time earth did.
A good analogy is to think of humans in the Stargate verse as Dog breeds, Alterans are the original wolves, but as part of their mad scientist research they made all the other dog breeds in the galaxy, some breeds ended up being smarter and better than others, but in the end they are all mutant wolves.
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When the Alterans came to the Milky way millions of years ago, they made a ton of species in "their image" and let them loose on their playpen, millions of years later the Alterans were part of the alliance of the four races and the alliance had the original Alterans, the tree Alterans (Nox), the Furry Alterans (Furlings) and the Asgard the only ones that don't look like humans, but they think studying humans will help them fix their genetic defects, so I am willing to bet that a few hundred thousand years ago the Asgard were the gnome like humans. Meaning the Alterans made a club house for themselves and their three smartest children while the Tauri, the Altairans and other similar civilizations of humans mucked about.
When the Alterans came to the Milky way millions of years ago, they made a ton of species in "their image" and let them loose on their playpen, millions of years later the Alterans were part of the alliance of the four races and the alliance had the original Alterans, the tree Alterans (Nox), the Furry Alterans (Furlings
and the Asgard the only ones that don't look like humans, but they think
Ah. Well, it's nice to know that there's no disaster that they're not responsible for.
Do you have a source for the other races of the Alliance being made by the Alterans, because I can't find anything that mentions that?
They don't look like humans now, but before they started cloning themselves and getting less stable bodies, they looked more human like, with some facial differences and and an enlarged head.
It's a standard urban fantasy trope ('all this could be happening in the world outside your window, and you'd never know'), with rather less justification than most urban fantasies, and it blows up the easy way to keep it secret ('it's all happening on other planets') at the end of the first season. It would be cool to see a show doing a good job of showing Disclosure of the Masquerade and the consequences thereof, but I'm really not expecting that. It requires a lot more thought and research than TV executives seem to want, and might encourage the audience to think, which TV executives seem even more opposed to.Not saying he should, I'm saying he could point that kind of thing out and fuck with them on every possible level. Keeping that shit secret from the public for over a decade was the stupidest, laziest shit that always annoyed me.
At least they're better then most and had the results of the Stargate program making their way to the civilian sector.It's a standard urban fantasy trope ('all this could be happening in the world outside your window, and you'd never know'), with rather less justification than most urban fantasies, and it blows up the easy way to keep it secret ('it's all happening on other planets') at the end of the first season. It would be cool to see a show doing a good job of showing Disclosure of the Masquerade and the consequences thereof, but I'm really not expecting that. It requires a lot more thought and research than TV executives seem to want, and might encourage the audience to think, which TV executives seem even more opposed to.
This is such complete bullshit that I am amazed nobody called him on it.
If the war never ends then it only counts as 1 war.This is such complete bullshit that I am amazed nobody called him on it.
Especially given Teal'c was literally leading Apophis's armies warring against the other System Lords for decades. After his father served Cronus leading his armies to war for decades. Who even learned under Bratac who lead Apophis's armies in war for centuries.
...He's actually recruiting them? Huh, that's a clever idea, actually. And also amusing if their originals ever find out: "I decided to find my own SG-1, with12th October 1999
17:18 GMT
"So that's the basics. I need a-" I gesture to Captain Carter. "-scientist, a linguist-" Mister Jackson, since he technically doesn't have a doctorate. "-and a couple of soldiers who are a little more creative than the jaffa average."
Harlan glances awkwardly at the other four. "Um."
In case you haven't noticed, O'Neill-tron, he's offering you help. Let's not copy your original that closely?"I assumed that you'd want to stay here and bring the place up to full working order after I've dealt with the conditions outside."
O'Neil squints at me. "Can we go back to the part where you're a goold?"
Also, 'android' is a bit specific to male artificial humanoids. Carter, for example, is a gynoid. Personally, as a collective 'species' name, I prefer 'synthenoid'. Or 'bioroid', depending on material composition."Are you aware that the word 'robot' comes from-?"
Daniel snaps back to full awareness. "From the Czech 'robota', meaning forced labour, which was itself derived from 'rab', meaning 'slave'. Can we go back to my wife being free?"
She already has the original by her side, Daniel-tron. I know, it's kind of awkward thinking of her not being with you...I nod. "Teal'c killed Amaunet, Doctor Brightman removed the corpse of the goa'uld and then I lent them a sarcophagus and she's recovering at Stargate Command."
"Okay." Captain Carter pats him on the shoulder and he jerks his head around in surprise. She gives him a supportive smile. "I just-. I.. didn't…"
Yeah, I think Teal'c's wife would be a little confused to find there's two of her husband running around..."I understand." Teal'c nods. "You assumed that if she returned that it would be to you. I am similarly estranged from my own family."
"Yeah, I-." He focuses on me. "Thank you. Even if I never see her again, just knowing that she's alright…"
To be fair, O'Neill-tron. Has he acted remotely like any Goa'uld you've met so far?"'Alright' might be a bit much. The culture shock from living at Stargate Command was a bit extreme, and being a host isn't much fun for most people."
O'Neil frowns. "About that."
Good question. The answer is... Effort."This body is a mindless clone. I did this whole thing with your organic counterpart where I got out and they gave it a brain scan and found no higher reasoning going on."
Carter looks surprised. "You can do that? Then why do goa'uld take host at all?"
So, to some degree, having a human host with a fully-developed mind lets them overcome the more solitary instincts? Interesting idea..."Because it's convenient, I'm afraid." I shrug awkwardly. "Goa'uld aren't communal primates. We're solitary stealth predators and symbiotes. We don't have the social instincts that humans do. It has it's good points; humans who are social isolated tend to go a bit peculiar while goa'uld would be fine. But the downside is that we don't really care about other people suffering until it starts to affect us." Hm. "Well, Stanley Milgram. Even more so than humans. We don't feel any guilt or remorse about taking a host, even if they're screaming in terror and actively resisting us. And cloning is time consuming, and technologically complicated if you want an adult body. So… Why bother when you're surrounded by perfectly good bodies?"
Assholes. with a hefty dose of superiority complex and self-delusion. And I'm guessing by 'less war', he means less 'total war' and more 'police actions against rebellious subordinates' or 'hampering strikes against rivals'...O'Neil cranes his neck towards me slightly. "You're not really selling me on this whole-" He makes a circling motion with his right hand. "-'cooperation' thing."
"I… Had some considerable time to reflect upon our situation. And I still believe that having goa'uld in charge has a number of advantages. We have far less war than Earth does, for example. But we're… Well…"
Especially with the ruling Supreme System Lord usually having the monopoly on breeding rights. Short of busting in, stealing a goa'uld queen and disappearing, there's no chance of making a 'better' goa'uld."Kinda nuts?"
"That's.. not unfair. It's a… Selection pressure thing, like how there are so many psychopaths in boardrooms. Without a body of educated humans to draw on there's no benefit to being diplomatic. If I got hold of an agreeable queen…" I shrug. "Well. That's not going to happen. But the point I want to make is that we're not cruel for fun-. I mean, as a species. Some of us are. We're just ruthless."
Work with the pliable, break the inflexible? I suppose that's one way of doing it.O'Neil slowly shakes his head. "O… Kay..?"
"If I can show Lord Bastet and my fellow underlords that there are advantages to having an educated human population, there's a good chance that they'll go along with it. And if Lord Bastet becomes more powerful, she may be able to convince others to reform as well, or… Just conquer them. If you want to improve the lives of humans across the galaxy, it may work better to work to improve things form the inside rather than… Declare war on the entire galaxy like Stargate Command has."
Since even a Lantern would struggle against multiple battleships. Especially one not used to direct combat.Teal'c raises his left eyebrow. "That would be a great change in goa'uld behavior."
"It would." I nod. "Lord Bastet knows what I'm doing. I need this to be a success. My people need this to be a success, because if it's not then I'll probably be killed just after they are."
Whatever they've been doing, it's not very effective."Ah-." Jackson cuts himself off, then looks around to see if anyone else wants to ask a question. Seeing that no one does, he turns back to me. "Do other goa'uld feel this way? I know the.. Tok'Ra have been trying to overcome the System Lords since-."
"No."
"No?"
Especially when every loss reduces their subsequent strength..."Without a Queen, the Against Ra can't replenish their numbers. They take human hosts, but don't recruit humans into their organisation otherwise. They're just as uncreative as most goa'uld and the methods they use cannot result in their victory. I assume that Queen Egeria made them the way she did because she wanted to infiltrate Ra's feudal hierarchy and destroy it from within because their whole mental setup seems completely… They can't win as they are."
Perhaps find a kingdom out on the edge of the galaxy where no-one will pay attention to them and work that way. Sadly... I don't think they could manage that."Oh?" Captain Carter looks curious. "What should they be doing?"
"Pretend to be normal goa'uld, take over somewhere and out compete their neighbours because all of their scientists could work together without intriguing against each other. Build trade networks with their neighbours. Share the least offensive of their methods and try and get them to change their ways for practical reasons."
...Well, not technically. I have the feeling they'd approve of him, though, if they can overcome their initial 'But he's one of them.' impulse."What you're doing."
"Yes, that's… Why I'm doing it?"
She frowns. "Wait, are you a Tok'Ra?"
I'm guessing there's some limitation of their whole system that prevents multiple copies of the same personality engram running around at once. Maybe some 'actively embodied engrams cannot be duplicated' technicality or something. Otherwise, why limit yourself to just four?"No? Ah…" Huh. "I mean, I'm not a part of the organisation. It's not impossible that Queen Egeria was my mother, given that I took my first host at the direction of Ra's priests. I honestly don't know. Parent-child relationships aren't usually considered that important amongst the goa'uld. Given the.. number of children queens spawn, it wouldn't be practical. Anyway! Ah, the Against Ra are bad enough, but if your objectives are still the same… Well, Harlan might be able to build new versions of you if you die, but that's still four people against the galaxy. I think that we can achieve more by working together." I open my arms. "What can I do to convince you?"
He does seem the sort to quietly watch while others are discussing thing. Probably allows time to think and plan."I would very much appreciate it-" Harlan jumps in, prompting the rest of us who'd sort of forgotten that he was there to jerk our heads towards him. "-if you could stop the storms. I would very much like to recover Wallace from outside. Particularly if he could be reactivated. Though that is unlikely."
O'Neil frowns. "Don't the storms cover the.. whole.. planet?"
'Equipment', huh? I doubt he means his Lantern for a recharge, as he should have it stashed in subspace at all times. Or is that just a cover for 'I'm going to Ring the heck out this atmosphere.'I nod. "Pretty much. I don't think I'll-." Huh. "If you open a wormhole to Syrania and let me pick up some equipment, I can get that done in a few hours. If you just want me to clear the area around this facility, I can do that under my own power now."
Captain Carter shakes her head. "How?"
Hope their jaws are solidly attached, or they might fall off when he actually does it.I smile. "I'm a god, remember? Just wave my hands."
O'Neil doesn't so much roll his eyes as roll his entire upper body. Teal'c remains impassive while Captain Carter sort of tenses her jaw and Daniel looks a little bewildered.
...Harlan isn't actually that smart, is he? Or maybe his mind is a bit compartmentalised...Harlan looks mildly impressed. "You're a god?"
O'Neil sighs. "He's not a god."
...What are the chances O'Neill is a 'Green Lantern' fanboy and would recognise a Power Ring in action? Or maybe Daniel?"But he said he was a god."
O'Neil give me a long-suffering glare as I stand up. "Who wants to come and see me use my divine magic on your storm clouds?"
Man really wants his planet fixed up, huh?Harlan smiles and nods. "Yes. That is what I said I wanted to do. So, me."
"Right then! Shall-?"
...Which raises the question of how the process would work on an actual Goa'uld? Would the resulting engram be of the symbiote, the host or the combined personality?"Oh, and I've been told that I should ask, but, would you mind me making a robot duplicate of you?"
The other four watch for my response.
"I.. think that can wait until this facility is fully functional and you can give future androids the best possible bodies. How about that spaceship?"
Since that first meeting, Poa'ul seems to have been pretty careful not to show off the ring as being relevant or important. Maybe someone would catch on if he was doing newbie Green Lantern theatrics, like brandishing the ring and making it glow brighter whenever he does anything, but it'd be a lot more of a leap to go from "this guy is orange for some weird reason, and wears a fancy ring (among a lot of other jewelry)" to "this guy has the same powers as Green Lantern, except orange... maybe there's an explanation in the comics for that?" and there's still a fair difference between that and anyone taking the theory seriously....What are the chances O'Neill is a 'Green Lantern' fanboy and would recognise a Power Ring in action? Or maybe Daniel?
Given how infrequently he sees her, I imagine that him visiting two days a month rather than one would only cause mild surprise.Yeah, I think Teal'c's wife would be a little confused to find there's two of her husband running around...
It seems unlikely but I suppose it's not impossible....What are the chances O'Neill is a 'Green Lantern' fanboy and would recognise a Power Ring in action?
I think he'd read Dr. Fate.
Actually happened with the original Teal'c android. It was a combination, because Harlan didn't adjust the equipment. Second one is just Teal'c....Which raises the question of how the process would work on an actual Goa'uld? Would the resulting engram be of the symbiote, the host or the combined personality?