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On a Pale Horse (Umamusume/Youjo Senki)

But sooner or later they are going to find a mental box that Tanya fits in. And the idea that Orzel is a reincarnated warhorse (particularly from ww1 rather than the middle ages) rather than a racehorse feels like something that someone might come up with before long, if her trainer doesnt suspect it already. And once you make that assumption, suddenly a lot of the things that are sort of aberrant about Orzel start making sense.
Very few in-setting have any clues as to the source of uma reincarnation; namely Neo Universe (aware of alternate realities), Stay Gold (aware their past life to an extent), and possibly Manhattan Cafe (can see spirits). Beyond those 2 maybe 3, those aware of horses are practically non-existant.
 
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Very few in-setting have any clues as to the source of uma reincarnation; namely Neo Universe (aware of alternate realities), Stay Gold (aware their past life to an extent), and possibly Manhattan Cafe (can see spirits). Beyond those 2 maybe 3, those aware of horses are practically non-existant.
Ah, i thought it was more understood.

Still, Tanya cant be the first 'warhorse' to be reborn in this context, even if the locals dont know what a warhorse is, they might still be able to peg her as one of those sorts the way the recognize the difference between race horses and workhorses?
 
Very few in-setting have any clues as to the source of uma reincarnation; namely Neo Universe (aware of alternate realities), Stay Gold (aware their past life to an extent), and possibly Manhattan Cafe (can see spirits). Beyond those 2 maybe 3, those aware of horses are practically non-existant.
Shiro father in chapter 1 talks about how Umas has some memories of past lives, so at least in this fic it's different (they don't necessarily need to understand that the memories come from their lives as horses and only from one past life as Uma).
 
tbh someone should realize pretty quickly that she can just flat out sprint every race in the trials and just tell her to do that. If her top speed is too low it might not win her every race, but it'll win more than what she's doing right now funnily enough.

Just going all in like that is going to make the newer Umas panic and fluster more easily.

Still, its reading like her top speed is going to be her... uhh, Spiritual Breakthrough(?). Her body is hitting its limit and its a fight of inches past that, either her body is going to break or she's going to break through her spiritual wall.

Which is a taller ask than most realize probably because she's basically healing from the scars and wounds of her previous lives now. And it was implied she had a horse life I think too, I remember there was a quick line about there being something fuzzy in-between the Soldier and Uma which would fit with having a horse brain, so there's the question of what happened in that life.

I am curious what Stay Gold sees when looking at her. Other than the probable attraction I mean.
 
I'm confused here. I get how Shirogane saw the posters, but how did she get emails she apparently wasn't supposed to get?
The Emails may be have been forwarded by her Trainer.
While the emails being accidentally forwarded by her trainer makes sense, it would be a far funnier explanation if her networking with the security team resulted in them making absolutely certain she knew (as an undercover security guard).
 
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I remember there was a quick line about there being something fuzzy in-between the Soldier and Uma which would fit with having a horse brain, so there's the question of what happened in that life.
Oh, there's a thought. Maybe Being X got so annoyed with Tanya that it incarnated her as a war animal or something and then the Three Goddesses cold clocked him.
 
So based on something that didn't actually happen? Considering the modern concept of a samurai is only vaguely historically accurate?
But yeh any Umas based on warhorses would be at least a century old considering Warhorses really died out as a concept in ww1 with the adoption of the machine gun. I guess she could be from a line that was originally bred for cavalry, but considering how many generations ago that would have been?

Edit: Thinking on it further due to the differences between Umas and actual horses there may be actual still be lines of War-Umas continuing on, much as there are military "families" IRL where the expected occupation growing up is to join the army. I can imagine a war-Umas in boot talking about how her great gran was "first off the boats at Omaha"
No, warhorses are very much still in living memory. Horse cavalry was still used to great effect in WW2, mainly on the vast steppes of the Eastern Front and China, as a cavalry unit can move faster than a foot infantry unit the same size while taking up far less resources than an equivalent armored or motorized unit. Hell, as recently as Afghanistan there's been the occasional use—turns out it's far easier to get a horse up a mountain than a truck, so they're very useful for transportation, and there was even the occasional cavalry charge.

I've speculated before in-thread that Shirogane is likely a Polish-bred Arabian rather than a racing thoroughbred, as those have been specifically bred for use as warhorses for centuries (and over a millennia once you look at Arabians outside of Poland) and their characteristics (namely, far more stamina than your average thoroughbred, and slower than your average thoroughbred but still faster than the vast majority of non-thoroughbreds) match up with Shirogane's described traits.
 
No, warhorses are very much still in living memory. Horse cavalry was still used to great effect in WW2, mainly on the vast steppes of the Eastern Front and China, as a cavalry unit can move faster than a foot infantry unit the same size while taking up far less resources than an equivalent armored or motorized unit. Hell, as recently as Afghanistan there's been the occasional use—turns out it's far easier to get a horse up a mountain than a truck, so they're very useful for transportation, and there was even the occasional cavalry charge.

I've speculated before in-thread that Shirogane is likely a Polish-bred Arabian rather than a racing thoroughbred, as those have been specifically bred for use as warhorses for centuries (and over a millennia once you look at Arabians outside of Poland) and their characteristics (namely, far more stamina than your average thoroughbred, and slower than your average thoroughbred but still faster than the vast majority of non-thoroughbreds) match up with Shirogane's described traits.

There's a big difference between "a horse used in war" and "a horse trained to charge into gun lines while ignoring explosions" both are technically warhorses, but they are not the same.
 
Watching Tanya go on sprint training that hard was incredibly satisfying. Also funny. It reminds of an Umamusume run where the trainer(Tanya) has decided to focus on speed training after starting with quite good stamina and guts. Well, speed is a truly quintessential stat to train, so no problems there! Also, it's ironic that her 'reincarnator' privileges are somewhat muted in this world because her competitors are technically the same, albeit with a lack of memories.

The umas do not know, but they feel it. Whereas Tanya knows, but does not feel it!
 
I get that most of the races are just regulation ones, around a circular track, but surely there's gotta be Uma doing Parkour, Rambling, hell, an Uma version of Rally B even... I'd find it really cool if there were like Scandinavian/Nordic Uma doing rally races!

I feel like Uma-Tanya would do really well on rally style races, over these traditional NASCAR style races...

Uma on the Mongolian Steppe, or up in the mountains of the Alps, doing long range S&R, or in the Aussie outback, culling troublesome animals, like the wild cats...

There has GOT to be Uma out there running the valley and mountain roads like drifters, a horsegirl adaptation of Initial D... Just Tanya out there trying to deliver food on time, beating out the 'pro' rally racers... We've already seen her do essentially that in an urban environment, but like getting a husky and expecting it to do well in California, Tanya was meant for the twisting turns and sharp descents of country lane racing.
 
I wonder if Shirogane will be able to just flat out sprint for longer which could be a real tangible benefit of her massive stamina.
Everyone else sprints at the end... Shiro just runs off at the start, and keeps running, and keeps running, and keeps running, and while the others have been pacing themselves they're half a lap down on her and she just keeps running while they need to catch her :p
 
Here's another that fits here I found.
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Shiro father in chapter 1 talks about how Umas has some memories of past lives, so at least in this fic it's different (they don't necessarily need to understand that the memories come from their lives as horses and only from one past life as Uma).
Rebirth is a core principle of Buddism, which is practiced by nearly half of the Japanese, but that's an entire leap of logic short of Uma specifically being reincarnations of animals from the next reality over. The Uma I mentioned are the ones who have or could make that leap.
 
There's a big difference between "a horse used in war" and "a horse trained to charge into gun lines while ignoring explosions" both are technically warhorses, but they are not the same.
…But that absolutely did happen? Izbushensky (this occasion actually has a picture of the cavalry mid-charge), Schoenfeld, Morong, etc. Khalkhin Gol alone started as a cavalry battle between Mongolian and Manchurian cavalry that gradually escalated into a larger engagement between their Soviet and Japanese masters, and saw numerous engagements on horseback even beyond the initial spark.
 
I get that most of the races are just regulation ones, around a circular track, but surely there's gotta be Uma doing Parkour, Rambling, hell, an Uma version of Rally B even... I'd find it really cool if there were like Scandinavian/Nordic Uma doing rally races!
Give her a bow and send her to an archery competition (that's actually one of the training options or something in the game iirc).

But more seriously I know Japan's actually got pretty short races overall, Tanya one-upping the entire Japanese roster just out of being able to run more than 4000 meters would be funny. I think some races in China run to 8000 meters? Don't quote me on that though.

Also China, so not going there at least.
 
So based on something that didn't actually happen? Considering the modern concept of a samurai is only vaguely historically accurate?
But yeh any Umas based on warhorses would be at least a century old considering Warhorses really died out as a concept in ww1 with the adoption of the machine gun. I guess she could be from a line that was originally bred for cavalry, but considering how many generations ago that would have been?

Edit: Thinking on it further due to the differences between Umas and actual horses there may be actual still be lines of War-Umas continuing on, much as there are military "families" IRL where the expected occupation growing up is to join the army. I can imagine a war-Umas in boot talking about how her great gran was "first off the boats at Omaha"
I think the biggest difference between Tanya and any modern "War-Uma" breeds is the fact that she has military training, either from her War-Horse incarnation or from her second life as a war mage.
 
Red Skill - Sad Orphan Horse Vibes.
That's basically why she keeps getting some of the more responsible older umas checking on her, only to find her being fairly well-adjusted, even if she's doing something rather insane by their standards.

Shirogane has received four levels of skill hint for Lone Wolf
Unfortunate that this skill isn't terribly useful most of the time.

Ah...she has the same problem as Mihono Bourbon.
To some degree, though not exactly the same, as Mihono Bourbon has difficulty expressing herself, while for Shirogane, it's that when she does try to express herself, it makes her look a bit psycho to other people.

Shirogane with her monster stamina.
In game that's 20% stamina growth huh
Game wise she'd probably be 20% Guts, 10% Wits. She has a lot of base stamina, but a lot of her endurance is from Guts. If she was in game, Shirogane would be an easy trainer to train, but a very risky support card.

You dont want to get Aston Machan'd i dont remember but she has an actual supernatural oblivion kind of curse right? people dont remember her for some reason.
There actually is a bit of this going on, since Shirogane did not race on the JRA in real life, her classmates sometimes forget about her if she isn't the focus of attention, especially on campus.

Man i wanna see her ult soon, its gonna be 2 utls for her normal race track and racewear or just 1 like a 3 star.
Her first ult is probably running from a train.

I see you. Real subtle, that.
Shirogane goes to shoe store to look for glue to fix her old running shoes. The owner is appalled that a Tracen student doesn't have a good pair of running shoes, so gives her a pair.

Lastly, holding a coherent conversation while sprinting? That's some absurd breath control. I could never.
That's why Fuji backpedaled, since it became obvious that Shirogane was really not going too overboard.
Tanyorse: "I'm not managing to increase my top speed; am I really that untalented?"
Kiseki: "That's a monster, I literally cannot believe my eyes?!"
Though she still thought Shirogane was a bit crazy for doing that kind of exercise for something like two hours. It will seem a bit weird to her to hear Rudolf and Air Groove mention Shirogane not being particularly motivated to race, since Fuji has only seen Shirogane training so far, and hasn't observed how she doesn't see races as a huge deal.

Fuji: "What do you mean she isn't motivated? She does training that'd I probably break my legs trying to do."
Air Groove: "Well.,..she doesn't really want to win. Racing seems to more of just a job to her."
Fuji: "Oook, I'm a little bit scared what she'd do when she's really motivated..."

Clearly her musical talent lies in opera.
Shirogane would probably be quite good as a death metal vocalist, or other genres that involve yelling.

Is this supposed to be "far" instead of "fair"?
Correct, should be fixed now, thanks.

Especially since she's in a situation where she was given this opportunity vs getting in through her own merit.
Strictly speaking, Shirogane did pass the entrance exam on her own merits, but the recommendation from Toujou-san did help get her foot in the door, as otherwise she'd be completely outside the usual talent scouting pipeline.

Not only is she training but shes getting paid and free food from it? Shiro will likely join goldships gang as the generator horse haha!
The Gold family must learn to fear the Pale Horse.

I'm confused here. I get how Shirogane saw the posters, but how did she get emails she apparently wasn't supposed to get? Is someone intentionally including her in them for some reason, or was there some sort of weird accident? I'm not sure what the point of this little bit of the exchange is, and why it's included rather than just discussing the posters and talking with Tojou-san
The Emails may be have been forwarded by her Trainer. Remember her Trainers team has a lot of the student council etc on it so she might just be forwarding relevant staff emails to her team.
Yeah, she got the email forwarded to her by Toujou-san. It's just a case where she is in the unusual position of a first year already with a dedicated trainer, which gives her a slight advantage here.

I think you are underestimating how much experience she has gained from her previous lives compared to her schoolmates who are actual teenage girls.
To be fair, the other umas have past life experience too, but that's mostly running related, and not nearly as extensive as Shirogane's memories.

And the idea that Orzel is a reincarnated warhorse (particularly from ww1 rather than the middle ages) rather than a racehorse feels like something that someone might come up with before long, if her trainer doesnt suspect it already.
On the War Horse issue, remember that modern Umas are based on modern horses from our world. So war-Umas are not odd to read about in history books, but finding one in this age would be like finding a fully trained samurai that has dedicated their life to Bushido.
But yeh any Umas based on warhorses would be at least a century old considering Warhorses really died out as a concept in ww1 with the adoption of the machine gun. I guess she could be from a line that was originally bred for cavalry, but considering how many generations ago that would have been?
If Shirogane was born in Poland, or another country where cavalry was a bigger part of the cultural memory, they'd pick her out as being of a warhorse kind of uma much more quickly. Japan, however, does not have that strong of a cultural touchstone about cavalry, so it was mostly overlooked, not helped by her parents both being human, so some of her unusual mannerisms wasn't picked out as being unusual.

That said, since most of the umas are reborn into vaguely similar timeframes as their irl counterparts, Shirogane is basically respawning later than she should have due to Being X messing things up again.

I am curious what Stay Gold sees when looking at her. Other than the probable attraction I mean.
Stay Gold is wondering why she gets the sense Shirogane isn't supposed to be there.

While the emails being accidentally forwarded by her trainer makes sense, it would be a far funnier explanation if her networking with the security team resulted in them making absolutely certain she knew (as an undercover security guard).
The other funny explanation is that her email uses Suzuki Shirogane, so some admin thought she was a trainer and not a uma because of the human name, then put her on the trainer email list.

Here's another that fits here I found.
I would not be surprised if Shirogane gets pressured into wearing an outfit like this at some point.
 
Yeah, she got the email forwarded to her by Toujou-san. It's just a case where she is in the unusual position of a first year already with a dedicated trainer, which gives her a slight advantage here.
The other funny explanation is that her email uses Suzuki Shirogane, so some admin thought she was a trainer and not a uma because of the human name, then put her on the trainer email list.
Ok I like the second explanation better. Shirogane human'd too hard and the staff got confused lol
 
Her first ult is probably running from a train.
Now hear me out...

Running in the Rain

Oh that sounds nice-

A endless blasted field, beneath a blackened sky, thunder rolls in the distance, and artillery shells begin to fall like rain as Orzel races ahead of the tide of destruction.

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

If Shirogane was born in Poland, or another country where cavalry was a bigger part of the cultural memory, they'd pick her out as being of a warhorse kind of uma much more quickly. Japan, however, does not have that strong of a cultural touchstone about cavalry, so it was mostly overlooked, not helped by her parents both being human, so some of her unusual mannerisms wasn't picked out as being unusual.
\o/ I was sort of correct! Will still be neat to see if this ever comes up in story.
 
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If Shirogane was born in Poland, or another country where cavalry was a bigger part of the cultural memory, they'd pick her out as being of a warhorse kind of uma much more quickly. Japan, however, does not have that strong of a cultural touchstone about cavalry, so it was mostly overlooked, not helped by her parents both being human, so some of her unusual mannerisms wasn't picked out as being unusual.

That said, since most of the umas are reborn into vaguely similar timeframes as their irl counterparts, Shirogane is basically respawning later than she should have due to Being X messing things up again.
Does this mean that Being X was planning on making Tanya going through another world war for round 3?
 
Does this mean that Being X was planning on making Tanya going through another world war for round 3?
Well, Tanya could have been Warhammer 40k'd and Servitor-ized. It'd definitely explain why the life between was fuzzy, spending centuries lobotomized before eventually dying would probably prevent any real retention of memories.
Hmm.
It'd be much better if she was just an animal or something. That's a tad bit much...
 
Unfortunate that this skill isn't terribly useful most of the time.
Lone Wolf is a sleeper pick since it always procs in non pvp races and even in Champ Meets and Team Trials I get to proc it since nobody buys it out of fear someone else bought it.
Back in Cancer my Seiun that relied on Lone Wolf to proc Groundwork procced LW 99% of the time it was funny as hell.
Its also cheaper than the other green skills.
 
Japan, however, does not have that strong of a cultural touchstone about cavalry, so it was mostly overlooked, not helped by her parents both being human, so some of her unusual mannerisms wasn't picked out as being unusual.
You might want to go look up Samurai tbh. They were primarily mounted archers, then lancers with Naginata, and then pulled out the family blade only if they were out of other options or in honor duels or something.

But, well, the Samurai have been dead for a while I suppose.
 
No, a minute was about all it took for a sprint, and even the longest races only generally lasted three to four minutes, so she would not have the luxury of time as she did on her delivery runs, though the lack of load made things quite a bit easier.

A one-minute sprint of sufficient shirogane but you feel you are too slow can do a 3-4 minute sprint to compensate.
 
Does this mean that Being X was planning on making Tanya going through another world war for round 3?

IMO, narratively and thematically, Being X doesn't work well in the Umamusume universe; on the other hand, I can see the Three Goddesses had their hand on Shirogane's reincarnation with their aim of giving Tanya(now known as Shirogane) the easy life she desires, while also enjoying the shenanigans that's going to happen
 
The other funny explanation is that her email uses Suzuki Shirogane, so some admin thought she was a trainer and not a uma because of the human name, then put her on the trainer email list.
It might be fun if something similar happens, either in a chapter or in an omake: there's an opening for something (an extracurricular activity, part-time job, volunteer project, supplementary class, etc.) intended for humans, but the admins get confused by Shirogane's name, mistake her for a human, and send her an email about the opportunity. Technically there's nothing preventing an uma for taking the opening, it's just that it's something they're not usually suited for or interested in. Only Shiro applies and does surprisingly well given her unique experiences. Any ideas on possible scenarios?
 
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