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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Discussion in 'Creative Writing' started by Mr Zoat, Jan 27, 2019.

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  1. NightmareWarden

    NightmareWarden Versed in the lewd.

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    One who is older than the United States to boot.

    I am glad Tye Longshadow (Apache Chief and Long Shadow, but for Young Justice), Red Arrow and Arsenal weren’t dragged into this realm. Whatever miseries this place has inflicted on the native peoples of North America would be even more depressing than the reality. Not something I’d enjoy reading. shuddders
     
  2. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    "slides"

    "rolls"

    Give it to Rocket to view later on.

    So that's what he was planning on doing before all of this.

    "branded"

    "you damn Yankee"

    Don't forget listening to patriotic songs.

    Ohh, fuck yes.

    It's not quite as beautiful as Rocket doing it, but it's still a sight of beauty.

    Now I'm wondering about what deal he made with Demon John.
     
  3. Bud-E

    Bud-E Stand up so I can push you down!

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    Is this a power he has? Every time Johnny Reb dies he comes back more powerful or is he just saying that?
     
  4. iamnuff

    iamnuff Connoisseur.

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    Noteworthy that Alan had a lot less trouble cutting those chains than Paul did. Hope over greed, I suppose.
     
  5. Rebu

    Rebu hey, little Anna, you're the one

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    Well, if the whole place is made from corruption, that makes sense.
     
  6. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Greed is a part of political corruption, while hope isn't, so it makes sense.

    Also, Reb's whole slavery thing had a lot of greed involved, but it required a lack of hope from the slaves to keep functioning.
     
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  7. Chojin Patriarch

    Chojin Patriarch Veteran Lurker

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    Gee, couldn't happen to a nastier fellow. Thank goodness the worms are so dumb that they'll attack anything that upsets them. So, that's one threat more or less out of OL's way. Now for those chains...

    Burn, baby, burn.

    Handy. Probably because he's not the real embodiment of America, just borrowing a bit of his power.

    Magic bullshit, of course. Probably forged of some conceptual rubbish like 'the iron bonds of duty' or some such.

    Dun-dun-DUN! Someone cue up a kickass theme song, because someone's about to get their ass kicked.

    Heh, you can almost hear the anthem blaring around him.

    And Sam can't get his shit together soon enough, it seems.

    Yeah, Sam's gonna need a good dose of Freedom to be ready for this shitstorm...

    I think Roger already knows. He can probably smell the apple pie.

    As if it'd have one power source.

    A rare moment for OL, being the one needing backup instead of being on top of things...

    One down, 49 more to go (for symbolism!) :p

    Guessing the drain slowed down a little while he was sitting still back there.

    :eek: Ow, right in the ears.

    Well, be sure to buy him a beer after this is done, for that save.

    Guessing sheer proximity of the thing is futzing up his power a bit.

    Looks like a symbolic link. Best to ditch it.

    And this is why you keep a backup for the backup of the backup, OL.

    Oooh, this is gonna smart, isn't it?

    Thank you, Alan!

    Now, time to introduce Mister Armoured Boot to bad little Johnny Butthead. :cool:

    Because one of the natural weak points of any walking mech is the knee joint.

    Up yours, Tin man. Important things to deal with here.

    Because of course they love to get rich.

    Civil War round 2: The battle of Washington! Fight! :p

    Guessing he's down to his shirtsleeves. And Johnny ditched his fancy coat back in the hole, so...

    Would it be crass to give him a 'Here's one for Lincoln!' as you shoot? :p

    Ah, the chunky salsa. Don't count him out yet, I doubt that's the worst he's ever suffered.

    With patriotic songs and baseball games on the radio and all the apple pie you can eat? :D

    Hopefully not as close a likeness to Sam, at least.

    Misquoting 'Star Wars'? Bad form, jackass.

    Time to spank a good old boy...

    A dream doesn't die that easily, hillbilly Johhny...

    Nothing a quick round of 'Yankee Doodle' won't fix up.

    And the tide turns.

    Oh, no you don't.

    Ah, some nice, satisfying role reversal.

    Amazing how quickly things turn around in the heat of battle. Looks like Doctor Mist got some useful intel from the Demon Constantine, then. Now, it's just a matter of figuring out what to do with Johnny. I doubt they can mess with the Brass, since it's a part of this place. And at least they tracked down Uncle Sam, even if John Constantine is still nowhere to be found...
     
  8. Coltsguy

    Coltsguy Colts fan. Anime fan. Breast and back fan.

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    Eh, I almost believe that he's guiding them to these problems on purpose to fix them.
     
  9. Stsword

    Stsword Versed in the lewd.

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    Yes and no.

    It was established that national zeitgeists like him are reborn when the country changes, that Captain Nazi stopped being the legitimate embodiment of Germany a while ago, but his existence was artificially prolonged.

    Uncle Sam started off as Minute Man, then Brother Jonathon, Johnny Reb/Billy Yank, and in modern times had a stint as Patriot in the comics.

    So as long as the Confederacy still exists spiritually, Reb's natural response will be to reform.

    I suspect he'd find it far less convenient if they weren't in the seat of his power though.

    My initial gut response for getting rid of him? Sam imitating Paul a bit and eating him.

    Kind of like Golcanda in VtM, a vampire can achieve enlightenment after admitting that their Beast is not a separate entity but an aspect of themselves.

    Sam is not interested in embodying America's darkness. Can't really say I blame him there. But I suspect that denial is a good part of how Reb managed to still exist as a separate individual.
     
  10. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    No, if Harry Turtledove taught me anything it's that 'damnyankee' is a single word.
    Why?

    Dr. Balewa has never been a U.S. citizen. In his youth he owned plenty of slaves, though he's glad that the custom has largely vanished from the world.
     
  11. ForeverShogo

    ForeverShogo Not too sore, are you?

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    If I recall, one of the contributing factors to slavery becoming profitable enough to last as long as it did was the invention of the cotton gin.

    I'd always heard that it was becoming increasingly unprofitable to the point that, perhaps out of wishful thinking, people suggested it might have been ended peacefully simply because it wouldn't be seen as worthwhile to continue. Then the cotton gin became a thing and made it so much easier to process cotton that it became a massively profitable crop. Which in turn caused cotton to become so dominant in the southern states that it was called King Cotton.

    Thus the value of slave labor went from a decline to a boom.

    But yes, to echo earlier sentiments, the US Civil War was absolutely about preserving slavery as an institution. The states' rights shit is just stupid bullshit spun as part of the lost cause myth.
     
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  12. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    The first step to a recovery is admitting that you have a problem.

    I was referring to the fact that a black man managed to finally bear Reb, which is likely to cause Reb no small amount of grief.
     
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  13. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Now I can't help but imagine Sam calling out his attacks like All-Might.
     
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  14. Old Knife

    Old Knife Not too sore, are you?

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    Your avatar looks dumb. Which incidentally is the inverse of the "I'm crazy not stupid."
    It leads me to believe that you are hinting at an affirmative.
     
  15. Old Knife

    Old Knife Not too sore, are you?

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    It would be even more hilarious if he kept slaves before and insults Johnny for both his implementation of control and the use of such an outdated mode of thinking in the first place.
     
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  16. w34v3r

    w34v3r Versed in the lewd.

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    Ok I'm not sure what the intent was here, but the word 'one' reads awkwardly here.
     
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  17. Tzeentch

    Tzeentch I trust you know where the happy button is?

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    Hopefully a NEW personification of The South will take Johnny's place.

    Like a Southern Grandma, perhaps....
     
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  18. dw7thdoctor

    dw7thdoctor Getting sticky.

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    I wonder what Uncle Sam will think of all the changes that happen to America since was trapped. Like all the magic innovation that has happened the things Paul changed and the fallout from the Sheeda War.
     
  19. w34v3r

    w34v3r Versed in the lewd.

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    SAM: ABOUT TIME YOU PEOPLE PULLED YOUR HEADS FAR ENOUGH OUT OF YOUR OWN ASSHOLES TO READ A DAMNED NEWSPAPER!
     
  20. jasonh23761

    jasonh23761 Not too sore, are you?

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    Wind River was one of those movies I had a legitimately hard time getting through. Al Jazeera also ran an excellent series on the MMIW (phenomenon seems too blase for an issue with that level of gravitas) occurrences in British Columbia.
     
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  21. Mr Zoat

    Mr Zoat Dedicated ragequitter

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    Thank you, corrected.
    Nope. Johnny managed to hang on, but that's it.
     
  22. woweed

    woweed Know what you're doing yet?

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    And even that says:

    Also, can I just say, i'm kinda sad Sam's return didn't happen on page 1776. THE SYMBOLISM!
     
  23. Darko

    Darko Connoisseur.

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    Don't fret, we may still see him leave the Badlands on page 1776.
     
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  24. Sordid Snake

    Sordid Snake (Verified Viper)

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    A Clockwork dick?

    "It's SYNTH DETECTIVE, Jackass!"
     
  25. kerleth

    kerleth Getting out there.

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    I know you already said that this statement isn't quite accurate, but I wanted to add something here.

    1)Kudos to you for being willing to change your mind immediately when presented with evidence you were wrong. Not only that, but seeking out evidence to verify for yourself whether you are right or wrong. Too often people just stop caring about the evidence in that situation. I know I'm just some rando on the internet, but respect and praise, for what it's worth.

    2) There's also a really good slam-dunk that flat out disproves the argument that it was really about states rights and not slavery. The confederate constitution. "No Bill of attainder, or ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed." There are other points where it talks about the specifics of importing slaves vs "homegrown" which work out to a money racket giving those who already owned slaves in the confederate states a privileged position vs importers of new foreign slaves. A sort of Slavery-Industrial Complex if you will, that favored those who were writing it vs any up and comers.

    Whether the above quote only prevented the national government of the confederacy from passing anti-slave laws, or would also have prevented an individual state state from doing so as well, would have been an argument for confederate constitutional lawyers. However, there is another point in there that basically says under no circumstances can a lawfully owned slave in one area of the confederacy be freed in another area of the confederacy. So even if they let a state make enslaving new slaves illegal, that state would be prohibited from freeing someone's slaves who moved there from another confederate state, even though they now lived in the new state and were subject to it's laws. Which makes slavery de facto legal everywhere in the confederacy as long as it was legal anywhere in the confederacy.

    The fact that the states rights were curtailed to make sure slavery would definitely be a thing in the confederate constitution shows very clearly whether the priority was states rights or slavery. Also, it's kinda cool that we can look at the confederate constitution ourselves online.
     
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  26. Windona

    Windona Beetle Queen of Crackshipping

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    Woo, Uncle Sam is back! But staggering a bit.

    Can't wait for Dr. Balewa to jack Johnny Reb up.

    Hope helped slaves get free, go on the underground railroad, and fight the Confederacy. Greed supported the institution. Not a surprise there that Alan has an easier time.
     
  27. Enochi

    Enochi Having way to much fun with AI.

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    Eh at the root the Civil War was about 1 thing. Its the economy stupid. Or Money is the root of all evil.

    This includes the states Rights, Slavery, and pretty much everything else. If you look at the Taxes during the Civil War you will see the North taxed its population quite heavily and the South very lightly. Slavery while an issue was at little risk of being overturned due to needing an amendment to the constitution to change. (Though laws could be passed to further restrict it.) A more immediate concern was the matter of Tariffs to protect Northern Manufacturing which at the time was lagging behind its overseas competition. The South which imported much more of its goods and had little manufacturing would be disproportionately effected. Also in cold political calculus many in the North didn't want the South to free the slaves as that would increase the representation of the South in congress. As the roughly 4 million enslaved would suddenly not be counted as 2.4 Million (Which would net the south roughly 16 more representatives in the house).

    TLDR. The war was about Money. The image of either side fighting for a noble cause is just a magnification of side issues for the sake of propaganda. Slavery was certainly an issue and a major one but more in the context of economics then actual human rights.
     
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  28. PDV

    PDV Revelation That Uncertainty Is Itself An Answer

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    No, no, Zinc man, he's brass, not bronze.

    It was about slavery, but also state's rights. The Tariff of Abominations nearly provoked the Civil War 30 years earlier, and that said nothing about slavery. There was legitimately a strong disagreement about the proper extent of federal power, dating back to the Constitutional Convention; slavery was the primary flashpoint where the southern states disagreed with the Feds's majority, but not the only one.

    It came down to economics, but that's hardly notable; war almost always does. War is expensive and destructive and so it generally only happens when there is a whole lot of wealth to be won and lost.
     
  29. AR760

    AR760 Experienced.

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    Mhmm. One of the things oftentimes less frequently discussed is how Africans straight up sold other Africans into slavery and to interested slave owners. The American and European slave traders in many cases were more middlemen in the whole process, and did not always need to do the work of, you know, actually capturing and sourcing slaves.

    As a concept, slavery is arguably something in one form or another something as old as humanity itself.

    The person mentioning it's the economy stupid is also really right on the money, pun intended, regarding one of the most essential real motivators of the Civil War.

    The South was perpetuated on slavery in order to make their economy work. The North had more or less monopolized the industrial machines needed to develop that sector of the economy, meaning the South was extra touchy about the issue of slavery.

    Well that, and residual feelings about the Federal Government staying the fuck out of State decisions, which was an enduring battle that went all the way back to the Revolutionary War.


    You know, I do wonder what percentage of global attitudes towards slavery changing had more to do with the moral dimension in people's assessment of the situation changing, versus factors like industrialization and technology essentially removing a significant amount of the need and pressure for slavery to continue as an institution.

    And that new gap created between need and reality developing the moral considerations.
     
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  30. PDV

    PDV Revelation That Uncertainty Is Itself An Answer

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    Moral progress is always easier when your livelihood isn't on the line. This doesn't mean it isn't legitimately moral progress; Jeremy Bentham anticipated basically all of modern liberalism centuries early from first principles, and the Catholic Church, on paper, disapproved of slavery for even longer - so there clearly was a picture of what morality should do. But it's far easier to get people to go along with your radical agenda of treating everyone as people and being nice to them when their salary depends on not doing that. England didn't need slaves, and so England was the main instrument of abolition.
     
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