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Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

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Dissect the Husk presumably introduces 2 lores at once to the Bureau. I'm shocked you'd suggest not doing it considering the argument last turn about Tall Tale vs bureau progress.
 
ses said:
Dissect the Husk presumably introduces 2 lores at once to the Bureau. I'm shocked you'd suggest not doing it considering the argument last turn about Tall Tale vs bureau progress.
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The Bureau is lacking in Moth and Grail, which are some of the likelier suspects for Husk Knowledge.
 
I mean we could have Baldomare study the corpse with a Bureau action. We're taking the risk if we have to go on in 2 turns, but I don't think that's a given what we'll be tossing at Celestia and Baldomare should have 2 actions starting next turn.
 
ses said:
Dissect the Husk presumably introduces 2 lores at once to the Bureau. I'm shocked you'd suggest not doing it considering the argument last turn about Tall Tale vs bureau progress.
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You mean before we saw with our very own eyeballs that Velvet simply "participating in Bureau things" can also introduce Lores to them? We could have introduced two whole Lores to the Bureau just by going all out on Tall Tale, and that was without Velvet getting really involved with things.

Also, again! Name friendship is on the line here, and we've got assume the worst-cast scenario timeline when making this turn's plans.

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Talon Tiger Dino said:
The Bureau is lacking in Moth and Grail, which are some of the likelier suspects for Husk Knowledge.
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Considering the husk was noted as being saturated in Grail and Knock, I'd assume that studying it is most likely to result in, well. Grail and/or Knock knowledge.
 
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Velvet going along also helps ensure she gets the pick of the loot if she can outpace the Bureau.
 
I don't think that line can keep getting repeated ad infinitum. Like, we're already massively investing our turn into this to make sure it goes well. Dissecting the Husk means the Bureau is at 7/9. And again, I dont think we really can fail this expedition at this point if we send Selene+Mareinette. Worst case scenario for me is a bunch of curses.

Talon Tiger Dino said:
Velvet going along also helps ensure she gets the pick of the loot if she can outpace the Bureau.
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That was how things worked last turn, this time around we arent going to be going behind the Bureau's backs. We just have the issue that the Bureau might miss stuff or accidentally break the loot or something because they're half trained.
 
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ses said:
I don't think that line can keep getting repeated ad infinitum. Like, we're already massively investing our turn into this to make sure it goes well. Dissecting the Husk means the Bureau is at 7/9. And again, I dont think we really can fail this expedition at this point. Worst case scenario for me is a bunch of curses.
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Were you not just being concerned over the Bureau's Lore oomph earlier when arguing that we should be scrying the City to determine which expedition gets which artifacts? If Velvet gets her hooves dirty, then there no reason to be concerned about trying to divvy up the artifacts correctly, because she's effectively a Level 4+ artifact for everything except Heart, in terms of the bonuses added. Which means DoA also gets to throw as much of a dice bonus as our artifacts can allow at the City.
 
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Considering the husk was noted as being saturated in Grail and Knock, I'd assume that studying it is most likely to result in, well. Grail and/or Knock knowledge.
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I forgot about that. Actually, if the Husk is going to be giving Knock, maybe we should try to knock out that Knock 2 Book for the Bureau. Actually that brings a question to mind: @OurLadyOfWires , is the book studying taking place after our Splendour expires, or before it expires? I'm a little foggy about it since this vote is for between-turn stuff but the AP time slot for studying was during Turn 22, and I feel like that will majorly impact what we choose to study.
 
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I forgot about that. Actually, if the Husk is going to be giving Knock, maybe we should try to knock out that Knock 2 Book for the Bureau. Actually that brings a question to mind: @OurLadyOfWires , is the book studying taking place after our Splendour expires, or before it expires? I'm a little foggy about it since this vote is for between-turn stuff but the AP time slot for studying was during Turn 22, and I feel like that will majorly impact what we choose to study.
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It's retroactive to our study action, the splendour will apply. We need the Knock 5 AND knock 2 books to level the library. Granted assuming that the Lantern(Baldomare) sacrament removes all reading penalties to books, which seems likely, reading the Knock 5 book without an influence later will probably be only -15 compared to reading it now.
 
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Personally I want Baldomare to scry for the strongest Heart artifact this turn. It our weakest lore.
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Maybe that's something a MitL could do, if we summon one and they're capable of casting rituals. And Selene delays the doom clock enough that we'd actually have time to acquire and study it. Though I'd argue we'd want to go for Heart 5 rather than "strongest possible".
 
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[X] (MAREINETTE) Accept her "Invitation to Dinner"
[X] (MOOD) Mareinette was oh so interested in the Bureau, after your introductions.
[X] (BOOK) What did you read again? The Way Home
[X] (SCRY) You do not wish to scry for any expeditions at this point
 
ses said:
And again, I dont think we really can fail this expedition at this point if we send Selene+Mareinette
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Given how Mareinette's probably worth around 4 Velvet ap due to the Celestia situation I'm pretty sure Mareinette's going to be too busy running the kingdom to go off adventuring.

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I say we send the Bureau and Selene to pickup the Forge Reagent. Ax, Smiles, and Forge name for the level 7 Book.
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Cost is a real concern though.

Personally I trust Axe can get the book all by herself (her expedition bonus is hax and I doubt it's going to involve a social roll) but if we were sending backup wouldn't Selene be the better choice instead of Smiles or Forge colt?

Selene covers a bunch of lores (shout out to winter which would probably be good against any curse) and would be the best choice in the event the diggers are hostile (Edge realization Alicorn army killer).
 
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Given how Mareinette's probably worth around 4 Velvet ap due to the Celestia situation I'm pretty sure Mareinette's going to be too busy running the kingdom to go off adventuring.
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Look I'm totally fine with tossing a Mareinette AP at Celestia, but there's no real evidence of this. If it was just a matter of Grail, we'd probably be better off with her giving an influence, but I'm pretty sure Ourladyofwires said that wouldn't help. Mareinette is useful, but you are way overestimating her potential impact.
 
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I am working under the assumption that the Husk autopsy will yield some Knock scraps, as it apparently was drenched in Knock.
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We'll get a level 1 knock manuscript from introducing it to the Bureau, but even if Velvet personally gets knock/grail scraps I dont think it will level the library any further

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You underestimate Mareinette's power.

Running Equestria so Cadance has free time is her speciality.
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The QM specifically said that Mareinette AP is just equal to Velvet AP for this and that Grail doesn't apply. Please for the love of god stop spouting misinformation as fact.
 
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Cost is a real concern though.

Personally I trust Axe can get the book all by herself (her expedition bonus is hax and I doubt it's going to involve a social roll) but if we were sending backup wouldn't Selene be the better choice instead of Smiles or Forge colt?
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Ax is shit if a Grail challenge shows up, at the very least we should send the Forge Name set to Grail so they can actually do everything. This is a Expedition for end game stuff, expect 150DC to be the norm.
 
ses said:
The QM specifically said that Mareinette AP is just equal to Velvet AP for this and that Grail doesn't apply.
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You mean this?
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On a less joney note. Grail won't help. If you want Mareinette to aid on that, have her "step in" as Velvet and aid Cadance as a character.
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Hmmm, we could still ask Mareinette to help so that Velvet can have 1 AP more, having Mareinette help could also give a narrative bonus.
 
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The QM specifically said that Mareinette AP is just equal to Velvet AP for this and that Grail doesn't apply. Please for the love of god stop spouting misinformation as fact.
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She COULD be better, but truth is we just don't know.

She has really high bonuses after all. But it's possible that, for example, our help mechanically adds up to "Cadance gets more free time, giving her +X per AP invested to defusing Celestia".

we just, as often is, don't know.



[X] (ALL IN) You will NOT attempt the "All In" expedition.

[X] (MAREINETTE) Accept her "Invitation to Dinner"

[X] (MOOD) Mareinette was oh so interested in the Bureau, after your introductions.

[X] (BOOK) What did you read again? The Way Home

[X] (SCRY) You do not wish to scry for any expeditions at this point


I could be convinced to scry for something, maybe, but right now I can't think of anything. Except... Couldn't we scry for the hive and bypass the book study? @OurLadyOfWires
 
I actually agree it may be useful to have Mareinette help. We don't know if it'll have a bonus, but definitely possible, just not 2 to four times as much as Velvet.

I mean if we're worried about Axe and social checks and want the extra Name on it, we could just set Cherenkolt's secondary lore to Grail and send him.
 
ses said:
The QM specifically said that Mareinette AP is just equal to Velvet AP for this and that Grail doesn't apply. Please for the love of god stop spouting misinformation as fact.
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Errr, where are you pulling that from?

Because the closest comparison is something the QM said about a Grail Influence which is something completely different to having Mareinette run Equestria to free up Cadance.

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On a less joney note. Grail won't help. If you want Mareinette to aid on that, have her "step in" as Velvet and aid Cadance as a character.
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ses said:
We'll get a level 1 knock manuscript from introducing it to the Bureau, but even if Velvet personally gets knock/grail scraps I dont think it will level the library any further.
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Bureau is already introduced to Knock.

EDIT: I misremembered hard
 
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Bureau is already introduced to Knock.
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No it isn't?

Lantern/Forge/Edge/Winter are the bureau lores.

Granted there is a tiny chance that Selene teaches them a bit of Knock by bringing an investigator dreamwalking with her to Windy during the Consult action, but that's really doubtful since QM mentioned that going on a Long expedition means they wont do as much special help to the investigator action cause Long expeditions take weeks.
 
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Granted there is a tiny chance that Selene teaches them a bit of Knock by bringing an investigator dreamwalking with her to Windy during the Consult action,
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Why would we do such a thing though?

If we wanted to deal with Windy just have Selene scry and use Smiles free assault on him.

Like, I'm not seeing a good reason to be putting our investigators on Windy when we need a Bureau action on investigating our options for fighting Changelings and are probably using our Constable action to get our of paying for the Choked City expedition.
 
I still think we can just say hi to Windy, he's had plenty of time to do the hyper-villainous acts people are worrying about and yet no such actions have occurred. Perhaps Cadance's perfect Wedding hit him with enough love for him to settle down with his girlfriend and tell the Wolf to fuck off. Perhaps Neighnia reached out to him and he's just working hard on his Palest Painting. Just find him and say hi in a form other than Investigators or hostile Names. We parted amicably enough, after all.
 
Talon Tiger Dino said:
I still think we can just say hi to Windy, he's had plenty of time to do the hyper-villainous acts people are worrying about and yet no such actions have occurred. Perhaps Cadance's perfect Wedding hit him with enough love for him to settle down with his girlfriend and tell the Wolf to fuck off. Perhaps Neighnia reached out to him and he's just working hard on his Palest Painting. Just find him and say hi in a form other than Investigators or hostile Names. We parted amicably enough, after all.
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Investigator action doesn't mean hostile action. Just fact finding. We're not sending constables after him.
 
Meh, just scry and then say hi if time permits, the Investigators AND Edge Names can come later.

(He left thinking of us as a friend, but we have no idea what that means to him. So best not do anything that even risks changing that, especially with him probably having the Heirloom with mystery powers by now?)
 
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