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Coronavirus COVID-19 Pandemic

so regarding the damage covid-19 can do... and the data we have right now... medical researchers are speaking more and more of a "multi-organ-virus"

attacks the hormonal system:
https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/doi/10.1210/jendso/bvaa082/5863314

is especially dangerous if you are diabetic, but can also cause diabetes in young ppl:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32339533/

attacks kidneys(study with 5500 covid patients):
https://www.kidney-international.org/article/S0085-2538(20)30532-9/pdf

can cause inflammatory syndrome in young children/adults:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMe2023158?articleTools=true

can attack the brain(stroke):
https://media.jamanetwork.com/news-...tients-with-covid-19-compared-with-influenza/

can wander through the nerves of the nose into the brain:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaotolaryngology/article-abstract/2767781
which can also damage your sense of smell and taste

most of this info is lifted from an article here:
https://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesells...chen-narben-der-corona-pandemie-16843184.html

it's in german... good concise writeup though
 
You know, I thought that the things you see in a Marvel/DC comics were the stuff of writers getting their edge and political boners.

Or that some of the farfetched ideas and concepts were just that, farfetched ideas and concepts.

Looking at the six months of 2020, I feel like fiction was playing catch-up to the present reality which is unreal at the moment.
 
Kinda looks like my area beat the curve by actually staying home for like a month so far. Was bright at first but went to low purple at the end.

That's good news.
 
So, according to local rumor, a nurse - of the 'care for old people sort' - just returned from Austria where she works/worked on the down low and decided to slip home despite being tested positively, and now over half the population of my hometown (and current residence) are lambasting the mayor for letting such an atrocity happen. Because of a single, unconfirmed case. They're criticising a person who had no knowledge of the event, nor any power to alter it.

At risk of sounding like an infectee: *WHEEZE*

In other news, I have started eating fried human skin - don't worry, it's my own - and have broken my daily *cough*self-gratification*cough* record at 39 times a day, so I'm handling it reasonably well, while also discovering why people bought so much toilet paper.
 
Xicree said:
The main thing is that while we can't predict ALL of the long-term effects of Covid 19... we know more than enough about how diseases which affect the lungs work to understand those Specific long term effects.
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There is a lot of uncertainty of how Covid-19 does things, but the health consequences are relatively straight forward (and how it affects individuals can be complex). What they are is horrifying.

One of the more troubling consequences is Covid-19 victims suffer from reduced oxygen absorption while retaining CO2 exhaling functionality. This is the "happy hypoxia" which is reasonably well documented now.

These low blood-oxygen levels, that if left untreated, results in systematic organ damage. Not to mention it appears to be clotting related so strokes in young apparently health individuals has been recorded.

Yes, not everyone is affected. Not everyone is impacted to a noticeable extent. But at the same time you can measure a 20% swing in violent crime before/after leaded fuel was introduced and abandoned with a ~26 year lead-time. We will be living with the consequences no matter how well or poorly it goes.

A vaccine can't come soon enough, or the 'new normal' of vastly reduced travel will be here to stay.

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This isn't like any old pneumonia so your whole point is moot.
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Viral pneumonia is generally nasty stuff. +6 month recovery times are not uncommon.
 
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Comic Con Russia 2021 (would have been at Oct 1-4) is off.

/play Limp_Bizkit_Break_Stuff.mp3
 
litaispe said:
One of the more troubling consequences is Covid-19 victims suffer from reduced oxygen absorption while retaining CO2 exhaling functionality. This is the "happy hypoxia" which is reasonably well documented now.

These low blood-oxygen levels, that if left untreated, results in systematic organ damage. Not to mention it appears to be clotting related so strokes in young apparently health individuals has been recorded.
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There's some evidence (from autopsies) that this may be related to blood clots -- lots of little blood clots.

If that hypothesis is true, that would basically mean that people are dealing with rapid-fire mini-strokes, only throughout their bodies. Fun, isn't it?

And then there's the possibility of COVID acting like, say, chicken pox and pulling a shingles on us... in our brains.
 
It's worth keeping in mind, re: long term consequences, that the highly visible anecdotes of people with multi-month recovery times are still low-probability events. The majority of people who catch it are still asymptomatic or have non-life-threatening illness that resolves over several weeks. (At least, going off the information we have so far, which is still too limited to make high-certainty assertions.)

It's a bad disease by modern standards, but one shouldn't lose perspective.
 
With Covid-19, what most people call "asymptomatic" isn't really the medical definition of an asymptomatic carrier. Even for supposedly mild cases, there is clinical reduction in lung function which has a detectable change in quality of life. People might be discharged after weeks, but full recovery can take significantly longer

No (obvious) symptoms, no problems is a profoundly dangerous way to look at a disease.
 
I live in Poland.Our goverment stop almost everything for a few weeks,and even now people still must do not made some things, but ,as a result,till now in 2020 died less people then in the same time in 2019.So,at least in Poland, Corona is not that dangerous,just some kind of worst flu.
P.S Sweden did practically nothing - and they are doing fine,too.
 
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I live in Poland.Our goverment stop almost everything for a few weeks,and even now people still must do not made some things, but ,as a result,till now in 2020 died less people then in the same time in 2019.So,at least in Poland, Corona is not that dangerous,just some kind of worst flu.
P.S Sweden did practically nothing - and they are doing fine,too.
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Yknow it's funny when people bring up Sweden they never mention the part about how they did actually shut things down as well, but generally relied on a culture of responsibility to allow people to choose how much to distance for their own safety.

And then they ended up with something like double the cases and deaths compared to surrounding countries who did go into lockdown. And to really rub it in, they ended up with the same economic impact because yeah no shit people aren't going out even if they're allowed to because they don't want to kill granny.

Meanwhile in Australia, thanks to the fact that we shut down early and actually did it properly instead of bitching about it, almost all states are sitting at 0 new cases a day, with the major outlier being Victoria, which has been having huge spikes lately in their second wave of an entire 300 cases per day. Luckily thanks to the time given to prepare, we have extensive contract tracing in place, so instead of having to shut down the entire country or state, we have it narrowed down to a city/suburb level, and even to the point of specific buildings.

So what that means for me, is that right now the state that I'm in is in the final stages of reopening. So that means in the past week I've been able to travel to different cities to visit family, gone out to restaurants on dates, go to the gym, and basically just be back to normal.

Which is all kind of a shame, because I kind of miss how nice and peaceful things were back in the days of covid lockdown, it made for some really cruise workdays.
 
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Meanwhile in Australia, thanks to the fact that we shut down early and actually did it properly instead of bitching about it, almost all states are sitting at 0 new cases a day, with the major outlier being Victoria, which has been having huge spikes lately in their second wave of an entire 300 cases per day.
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I'm honestly surprised it's not New South Wales. The less said about some of the crap I've heard out of Northern Rivers, the better.
 
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I'm honestly surprised it's not New South Wales. The less said about some of the crap I've heard out of Northern Rivers, the better.
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Yeah, turns out that the security Victoria had on the quarantine hotels were literally the cheapest possible option and that they used fresh, untrained recruits to save money.

Apparently the security industry has a huge problem with doing this sort of thing, but people are only just giving it the attention now that things have been bungled so catastrophically.

I'm getting the feeling that our initial success has left many a bit overconfident.
 
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Yeah. I just had to reschedule my urgent cardiology appointment. Again.
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"Urgent appointment" means "you need to come into the office as soon as possible, because what happened might be something serious, and there's a significant risk of worse outcomes if this isn't checked out soon."

Moreover, this is a cardiology appointment -- meaning I'd be walking into an office that's dedicated to treating the sort of person who is most at risk of complications from COVID.

It's not that I can't get an appointment. I've actually gotten two. It's just that Mom has fucked both of them up.
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Edit: Thirdly, part of the issue is that we don't know what's going on. This isn't my first cardiology scare -- hence me having a cardiologist -- but I don't have a diagnosed heart condition. What I do know I have is several less-serious conditions that have an unfortunate tendency to look like a heart problem.

Obviously, this doesn't change the fact that I have to take incidents seriously, especially when they manifest in a new way, but it does change things a good bit on the health care provider side.
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Aaaaand my appointment got nixed again, this time due to insurance issues. As in, they no longer take it. This followed quite a bit of miscommunication, leading to me needing to drive an hour to a hospital, dodge people on my way to the penthouse office my (former) cardiologist is in, and then find out that they'd cancelled my appointment and given it to someone else after two months of me trying to get in (yes, there were phone calls involved -- I expected to have to pay out of network fees; they didn't take my insurance even then, and I had to leave to avoid possible other problems), and I still haven't had so much as an EKG.

Walking into a hospital building during this, however, was eerie as fuck. I avoided the ER, but pretty much everything had been diverted there. The place is usually pretty bustling, but now...
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/25/coronavirus-covid-updates/

The United States edged closer to a single-day coronavirusinfection record with more than 74,000 new cases Friday, approaching the mark set just one week ago, as the pandemic that has burned through the country for months showed no sign of easing.

More than 1,000 Americans have died each day between Tuesday and Friday, the worst tally of human loss since late May.
Even as President Trump insists that children must return to school in a matter of weeks, the nation appears no closer to controlling this worst-in-a-century medical emergency than it was months ago.
The number of patients hospitalized with covid-19 has roughly doubled over the past month as the disease caused by the novel coronavirus tightened its grip on states such as California, Florida, Texas and Arizona. U.S. hospitals treated 59,670 people on Friday, just shy of the mid-April record of 59,940, according to the Covid Tracking Project.
 
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So, doesn't mean I want to go to every damn site linked on a forum if it can be summarized on the forum.
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You're missing the point. It's a series of one-line summaries of (linked) news articles. The only real way to summarize it would be to just quote the damned thing.
 
Meanwhile in Vietnam, an excellent analogue to the continental US given their high population density and unpoliceable border with China of all places?

Everything under control, still no fatalities, and they just detected a new case and in response evacuated eighty thousand people.

Damn.
 
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