it MIGHT be possible with all three alicorns on our side (they're basically Name+ tier), plus our other Names. They can also summon Edge influences for themselves with the ritual, as they get a massive alicorn-based bonus to it.
the implication in canon was that Celestia using the elements against Luna "broke" their connection to them. That's why the elements became stones (and magic outright disappeared), and it took Twilight to awaken them again.
Hokobald (Forge-Long) is both implied to be an alukite and to have been killed by the Exile in one of the possible endings. He's not a Name-alukite, but he is (probably) an alukite.
If Mareinette could not deal with such a minor force of power she would have been killed already. That the minimum amount of force an Hour could deploy.
Or they broke because Celestia tried to brute force 6 elements at once and did not have means to restore them without her sister. Now it more or less depend on if elements have user locks on them or not.
There are a lot of reasons why they might have broken: Luna losing her conection to her Elements by becoming Nightmare Moon, the fight between the two in the first place, the Elements being used for banishment, Celestia using Elements she isn't connected to... The list could go on.
The possible difference here is that (in an ideal scenario) the kill squad would be dropping on her immediately after she's ravaged herself by breaking her summoner's chains. And maybe that she is fully in the Wake instead of only partially being in the Wake while the majority of her luxuriates in the Grail Chapel like she would have in more Mansusy times.
Can you provide a WoG for that?
…You know, I find it kinda funny that Velvet spent so much time on the Bearers who share Celestia's elements, and has barely even met one who shares Luna's. Too bad Twilight ended up as poorly as she did, or we would have all three Confidantes that could take Celestia's place.
Maybe Luna and Celestia can switch an Element or two
Hokobald is a confirmed Forge-Long Alukite and to be entirely honest I uh kinda forgot the Exile killed him.
She was not allowed in the Mansus at all, the fact she got in is itself a sign how bad things got. Ligeian very much where not allowed anywhere near the Mansus, Ligeian's being in the wake away from the power of the Mansus is where they are supposed to be.
It was a long time ago, but I definitely remember that Wrong Keys work by destroying the binding of the Summon, which is what is keeping them in the Wake.
side note, going PHYSICALLY from the Wake to the Mansus is supposed to be a BIG deal. I remember in CS there's a knock-route where you basically play a priest and become a Door through which your faithful can pass to reach the Mansus (though... actually does anyone know what they're supposed to DO once they're in the Mansus? Do they become Mansus beings?)
I don't know for sure, but it sounds like the kind of thing where what they expected and what they get was probably very different things.
I don't know for sure, but it sounds like the kind of thing where what they expected and what they get was probably very different things.
Mostly just because I'm trying to imagine a bunch of mortals showing up in the Mansus not by their own merits, and wondering why they wouldn't be immediately very dead when things that did earn their way take offense at their presence. It's not like most things in the Mansus aren't highly competitive and extremely dangerous.
I'm going to assume Velvet gave most of her staff a day off or something, because that's an easy problem to predict.
she can just, you know, lower the moon.
I sort of think as soon as the Sun rises, Celestia will know that her other Half has returned. But we'll see!
A dramatic eclipse of the sun!
I'm rereading the Daughter's part again. Fourth time.
But what if I tell you it is about to be posted?
...I'd be conflicted between asking you to hurry up and just shutting down my PC and going to bed.