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Axe didn't even know what CHILDREN are. if you remember, she thought we had cursed some grown-ups into being smaller.Wooo! Finally! Luna is back! And she still has Selene's memories/feelings!
...I wonder how DoA's going to react to this development. Cause I don't think she knew that Selene was a) secretly an Outsider and b) secretly an amnesiac adult alicorn
Edit: Actually looking back DoA didn't believe that Selene would survive that transition, though she wasn't sure what was actually going on. Hah! Take that DoA! We know what we're doing (sometimes)! Pay no mind to the fact that we weren't actually sure whether or not that would happen.
It'll depend on the conversation we're going to be having after this, presumably. But yeah, I would think that since New Luna is Luna + Selene, she should retain the Lore levels and we might be able to introduce them to the Bureau through her.
I don't think it'll solve our death-by-sunfire issues if we get tied to the pre-laundering Lores or the cult. I do think it'll help with actually getting the Lores into the Bureau though, if only because our boss being in on the whole Lore thing means we mostly just have to be careful of Celestia rather than both alicorns.While this entire thing succeeding as hard as it seems is an objectively massive boon, I would not assume that it magically solves ALL of our Wake problems.
of course, but it puts us in a much better situation on ALL fronts.While this entire thing succeeding as hard as it seems is an objectively massive boon, I would not assume that it magically solves ALL of our Wake problems.
I think there's a CHANCE it would save us from Celestia's wrath, as we'd have Luna's word on how basically Harmony got us to her and her parents asked us to keep her safe.I don't think it'll solve our death-by-sunfire issues if we get tied to the pre-laundering Lores or the cult. I do think it'll help with actually getting the Lores into the Bureau though, if only because our boss being in on the whole Lore thing means we mostly just have to be careful of Celestia rather than both alicorns.
That is actually part of my plan for next turn(if I even have the capacity to make one for real).
Not just Luna, Cadance would too. If she was brave enough to stand in front of Celestia when she was about to incinerate a rude noble imagine what she would do for Velvet.EVEN if Celestia decided to kill us, presumably Luna would defend us.
If that happens Celestia is definitely going to be at least a little more trusting of the lores, since there would be proof they could be used for good....right now I'm more interested in being able to launder the lores, and justify the use of the Forge's Redemption to heal Velvet, Twilight and Shining Armor.
also, you know, more trusting of Velvet.If that happens Celestia is definitely going to be at least a little more trusting of the lores, since there would be proof they could be used for good.
The Alicorn bonus + her magic stat should take care of the Grail dc, so the Forge 4 reagent would be enough if she was going to do it without Velvet.She sadly doesn't have the proper lores, so even with an Alicorn's magic bonus (presumably she'd have +50 like Celestia had if I remember right) Velvet would be a bit better thanks to her rerolls and having +40 from lores and +13 from magic.
But there's still a Mareinette-sized problem to talk about... the bindings won't last forever after all, and I have no idea how we'd deal with THAT problem.
See, I think even months out is too optimistic. Because Celestia's current state is not just about Luna being gone, then impersonated. It's also about Celestia having lost her faith in ponykind as a whole.ideally we'd have this talk only MONTHS into the future though.
Yeah but it is kinda implied her price will rise every time we give her something, so much that we may end up shooting ourselves in the foot trying to keep her with us.Marinette can be gifted things to extend the bindings, stuff like Amaranthine Nectar, Writhing Caul, Hallowed Polos and Chalice Murmurous will be sufficient favours and almost definitely increase our SL with her too.
Bird outright stated that her requests to stay bound would escalate but if we start gifting her shit I think she'll follow the same rules the other Names do and even if she doesn't and all this buys us is two more 'free' bindings then that's 6 additional months we don't need to answer the Marinette question.Yeah but it is kinda implied her price will rise every time we give her something, so much that we may end up shooting ourselves in the foot trying to keep her with us.
I suspect that once we befriend DoA, our supply of Wrong Keys will not be as limited as it is now. Considering she has thousands if not millions of the damn things just laying around.Man, if only we could open a portal directly to the Desert of Keys, banishing Marinette would be a snap. Bury her in Wrong Keys and let the auto wounds flow.
We might want an action of reagent making, really. Making three lvl 4 reagents to prepare for healing rituals for Velvet, Shining and Twilight.The Alicorn bonus + her magic stat should take care of the Grail dc, so the Forge 4 reagent would be enough if she was going to do it without Velvet.
We could just tell all the Names we can summon "Kill her." and hope for the best, my dream strategy would just be Elements of Harmony(like everyone who watched MLP) but we don't have that so cultist strategy it is.
we don't know the price yet. we know it's a gift or a favor, but as we don't know the kind, we can't yet decide if it's worth it.Marinette can be gifted things to extend the bindings, stuff like Amaranthine Nectar, Writhing Caul, Hallowed Polos and Chalice Murmurous will be sufficient favours and almost definitely increase our SL with her too.
well, we're hoping, but we're also waiting to see what LUNA wants to do.Also I feel like you guys are a bit too optimistic about how easy it'll be to convince Celestia or survive her wrath. Luna vanishing isn't the only issue here, Equestria is currently going through a test and our little reveal will very much be a failure.
...this makes me wonder...Man, if only we could open a portal directly to the Desert of Keys, banishing Mareinette would be a snap. Bury her in Wrong Keys and let the auto wounds flow.
Of course then we'd have to deal with a pissed off Mareinette waiting for us in the Mansus, but that's just details.
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Man, if only we could open a portal directly to the Desert of Keys, banishing Mareinette would be a snap. Bury her in Wrong Keys and let the auto wounds flow.
Of course then we'd have to deal with a pissed off Mareinette waiting for us in the Mansus, but that's just details.
Funny thing is DoA is just carting around a key ring stuffed with Wrong Keys, she can probably casually roll summoned beings that aren't Names by just swinging that thing around. Problem is Marinette isn't a summoned creature, where other Names leave their greater whole in the Mansus both Neighina and Marinette are fully present in the Wake so that part of the Wrong Keys probably doesn't apply.I suspect that once we befriend DoA, our supply of Wrong Keys will not be as limited as it is now. Considering she has thousands if not millions of the damn things just laying around.
The first and perhaps the second request we can pay but the last we will refuse yes. However gifts given of our own accord don't count as that.we don't know the price yet. we know it's a gift or a favor, but as we don't know the kind, we can't yet decide if it's worth it.
Bird just said the first price is "cheap" and we'll likely be fine with it, the second might be a bit problematic, and the third is near certainly a NO on our part.
Lol, lmao even. Marinette is a Grail Alukite and unrepentant about it too. The eons may have mellowed out Baldomare but they've made her worse....part of me doesn't really want to kill her, you know? We know it's possible to befriend her, the question is if it's possible to befriend her AND stop her from being a monster.
I don't think we'd care if she just went and opened some kind of brothel/Strip club, and even some moderate level of crime is not THAT big of a deal. We mostly want her to... well, not kill and eat foals, I imagine. That... might be possible?
Both Baldomare and Axe seemed to think this Wake and worlds are better than what was before... MAYBE, just maybe, it's possible to bring Mareinette to think the same? We just don't know.
That's probably our best bet but it's still difficult and the kind of thing only the Forge and Knock Names could do in any reasonable time frame while working together.But How about a banishing ritual to send Mareinette back into the Mansus, or trap her some other way?
I fear you missed what I was trying to say here, the problem is not how much information and power we can bring, how heavily we can stack the deck in our favour when it comes to the reveal of us being a cultist.well, we're hoping, but we're also waiting to see what LUNA wants to do.
It IS her sister (and other Half) after all.
the fact we can actually explain WHY Nightmare Moon happened, and have an idea of how to act against that force, would also be something in our favor. We might not want to reveal about Glory and the Outsider, but we could tell them what we know of the Memory of Light and basically have them assist us with Harmony path (while we're working for Glory path on our own).
Would Mareinette even care which species foals she gets to eat? Does eggs count?What about local predators? Changelings?I don't think we'd care if she just went and opened some kind of brothel/Strip club, and even some moderate level of crime is not THAT big of a deal. We mostly want her to... well, not kill and eat foals, I imagine. That... might be possible?
Celestia and Luna potentially can Harmony beam her even without Mane 6. All we need is to sincerely believe that we are helping her, so Mareinette does not suspect anything and only feels our care for her. It totally helped Luna .After all worst thing that can happen is thousand years long vacation on Moon's surfacethen again, the Lores work weirdly on Alukites... Our best bet, honestly, would be the Elements of Harmony, which MIGHT be an option IF Twilight is restored...
that might be our best bet actually. Proceed with Twilight healing, see if she can reestablish her friendship with the Main 6, and then try to use the Elements on Mareinette and see what happens.
This should be main focus. I don't think that Mareinette is any kind of priority at the moment. How to best put it...well, we're hoping, but we're also waiting to see what LUNA wants to do.
It IS her sister (and other Half) after all.
Well we decide what to tell Luna to begin with. We can give her very short version of our side of events so she does not need to hide much things from Celestia and talk about the rest further down the line or give Luna detailed description of events if it is available option .Also I find it funny as fuck people think we can dictate what story Luna will tell Celestia, at best we will be able to co author it. Most likely we'll only be able to influence it in a certain direction. Let's all calm down and not start wildly speculating yeah? Wait for us to actually talk to her.
But we have nothing except for speculation!Just wait for the GM to post the next update. This speculation is meaningless, until we have all the facts.
I mean, arming Biedde with several keyrings full of Wrong Keys and some kind of anti-Mansus creature weapon plus Luna with A Resolution also sounds like a viable plan.That's probably our best bet but it's still difficult and the kind of thing only the Forge and Knock Names could do in any reasonable time frame while working together.
If we reveal that we were once part of the organisation that attacked Luna, and then was partially responsible for how bad the Catastrophe was. That we wormed our way into her and Cadance's inner circle, that she trusted us with a station so high and important and we were traitor from the start?
Also I find it funny as fuck people think we can dictate what story Luna will tell Celestia, at best we will be able to co author it. Most likely we'll only be able to influence it in a certain direction. Let's all calm down and not start wildly speculating yeah? Wait for us to actually talk to her.
they very much can't. They MIGHT be able to kill her MAYBE.Celestia and Luna potentially can Harmony beam her even without Mane 6. All we need is to sincerely believe that we are helping her, so Mareinette does not suspect anything and only feels our care for her. It totally helped Luna .After all worst thing that can happen is thousand years long vacation on Moon's surface
that's admittedly true.Well we decide what to tell Luna to begin with. We can give her very short version of our side of events so she does not need to hide much things from Celestia and talk about the rest further down the line or give Luna detailed description of events if it is available option .
It may or may not help to point out that, at the time, the Cult was actually acting against the Changelings. And we kept Ponyville from catching fire.Also the Catastrophe was the changelings. We have no responsibility there, and it would be hard to connect it to us in any case.
Okay this might just be me but I don't think mechanically being able to kill her will mean we have the ability to actually do so. To clarify what I mean, on paper we could get a squad together that just low diffs her but it wouldn't work for one reason or another. As in she's reduced to a blood smear but still alive and at that point we're left with imprisoning a diminished Name Alukite who hates our guts, which I suppose is better then just leaving her to muck about in the wake. The reason I think this is that in universe (I'm talking SH here not the quest) there has never been mention of an Alukite being struck down, Hours, Names and Long yes but never an Alukite. It'd take the direct intervention of an Hour to do so and I really don't want to burn another RA.I mean, arming Biedde with several keyrings full of Wrong Keys and some kind of anti-Mansus creature weapon plus Luna with A Resolution also sounds like a viable plan.
Like I know that Mareinette is Bird's favorite Name, but also I don't think Luna would want a monster like Mareinette running around Equestria completely unbound to someone with more conventional morals and mindset, and Bird has stayed consistent w/ character motivations so far.
For the first statement I don't think it will matter.We also betrayed them AND restored Luna AND killed the cult leader/monster, and Luna can vouch for that. That has to count for something
Also the Catastrophe was the changelings. We have no responsibility there, and it would be hard to connect it to us in any case.