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Since the West looks to be cranking out a lot of their own "Progression Fantasy" like Korea, China and Japan have been doing

How long till those books get more regular comic adaptations?

Because frankly, even a single chapter/issue can take months unless it's from an American Comicbook company where it's at most 20 pages per issue, most of which are lackluster

I think they'll be using AI generated assets and/od tracing over them if so, kinda like how Korean WebToons are so easy to mass produce because they're skipping out on so much drawing via assets that were bought
 
SuperPulp2789 said:
Since the West looks to be cranking out a lot of their own "Progression Fantasy" like Korea, China and Japan have been doing

How long till those books get more regular comic adaptations?

Because frankly, even a single chapter/issue can take months unless it's from an American Comicbook company where it's at most 20 pages per issue, most of which are lackluster

I think they'll be using AI generated assets and/od tracing over them if so, kinda like how Korean WebToons are so easy to mass produce because they're skipping out on so much drawing via assets that were bought
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Not sure it'll ever really happen. Webcomics maybe, but western comics don't seem to adapt from novels very much if ever. The most you get is specifically companies that own an IP getting graphic novels made.
 
SuperPulp2789 said:
Since the West looks to be cranking out a lot of their own "Progression Fantasy" like Korea, China and Japan have been doing
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D&D came from the West.

All these progression fantasies are just adaptations of D&D tropes.

It's weird to see someone talking about the West appropriating from shit that originated in the West, like it should feel bad for copying its own homework.
 
R.A.G. said:
Not sure it'll ever really happen. Webcomics maybe, but western comics don't seem to adapt from novels very much if ever. The most you get is specifically companies that own an IP getting graphic novels made.
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Western Webtoons then….I think lots of those indie comic guys will have to "downgrade", but it'll be for the better


evildice said:
D&D came from the West.

All these progression fantasies are just adaptations of D&D tropes.

It's weird to see someone talking about the West appropriating from shit that originated in the West, like it should feel bad for copying its own homework.
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TBF, I am not sure how much Japan, Korea and China even play Tabletop Gaming
 
SuperPulp2789 said:
TBF, I am not sure how much Japan, Korea and China even play Tabletop Gaming
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Japan? A lot.

A lot a lot.

Or at least their game designers did.

Every JRPG from the early 80s to mid 90s was built entirely off of D&D. To the point where several dozen notable monsters had to be renamed for copyright reasons in the American release.
 
TanaNari said:
Japan? A lot.

A lot a lot.

Or at least their game designers did.

Every JRPG from the early 80s to mid 90s was built entirely off of D&D. To the point where several dozen notable monsters had to be renamed for copyright reasons in the American release.
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Most of the Light Novel/Web Novel stuff just seems loosely based off of Dragon Quest

It's only Goblin Slayer that goes on about dice
 
TheMidnightRook said:
I can only think of a couple cases where they aren't. The first involves a shotgun.

The second involves Vegas, large amounts of booze, and a preacher who's probably dressed like Elvis.
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The third involves someone trying to cut out a party they're obligated to invite but don't want to.
 
TanaNari said:
Japan? A lot.

A lot a lot.

Or at least their game designers did.

Every JRPG from the early 80s to mid 90s was built entirely off of D&D. To the point where several dozen notable monsters had to be renamed for copyright reasons in the American release.
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As an aside, it always cracked me up when people were complaining that D&D was becoming too video-game-like because it was taking jargon from games that had been ripping off D&D mechanics so hard that they were effectively doing D&D things better than D&D currently did, like monster aggro and morale (both of which were relevant in oD&D and 1e but fell out of favor in more recent editions).
 
evildice said:
As an aside, it always cracked me up when people were complaining that D&D was becoming too video-game-like because it was taking jargon from games that had been ripping off D&D mechanics so hard that they were effectively doing D&D things better than D&D currently did, like monster aggro and morale (both of which were relevant in oD&D and 1e but fell out of favor in more recent editions).
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How much "balance" is there between the Character Classes and Races?

Because I get most of the stuff coming out of Japan is about being an overpowered munchkin, but it still feels weird for Healers to be able to do so much
 
SuperPulp2789 said:
Because I get most of the stuff coming out of Japan is about being an overpowered munchkin, but it still feels weird for Healers to be able to do so much
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Works that way in D&D, too.

Or have you not heard the phrase 'CoDzilla'?

Urban Dictionary: CoDzilla

Refers to a specific sort of character in a Dungeons and Dragons game. A CoDzilla is a Cleric or Druid who excels in one field, such as melee damage, far beyond the limits of any other class, while still more than capable at anything else he or she chooses. While a Fighter might have good...
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TanaNari said:
Works that way in D&D, too.

Or have you not heard the phrase 'CoDzilla'?

Urban Dictionary: CoDzilla

Refers to a specific sort of character in a Dungeons and Dragons game. A CoDzilla is a Cleric or Druid who excels in one field, such as melee damage, far beyond the limits of any other class, while still more than capable at anything else he or she chooses. While a Fighter might have good...
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Do they have "appraisers" for example, who can do just about anything?
 
TanaNari said:
Yes.

Cleric. Druid. 'Batman Wizard'. Artificer. Several prestige classes. And whatever OP bullshit the latest illithid or doppleganger splatbook put out that edition.
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Shame that for the Japanese, it's confined mainly to the protagonists for the most part, otherwise how else would it be a Power Fantasy
 
The general best three classes in D&D, over many editions, are the Cleric, Druid, and Wizard. Because they can either get a spell or turn into something that can accomplish anything, including kill lots of mooks, equal to or better than the classes that specialize in those things. Anything else in their tier is generally a variant of them.

There was also the "Convert-Spell-To-Power Erudite Psion". A Psionics user... that could spend XP to learn Arcane powers as Psionic powers. Thus letting them spontaneously and material-lessly cast almost anything in the game. Which is exactly as stupid as it sounds.
 
SuperPulp2789 said:
How much "balance" is there between the Character Classes and Races?
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In older D&D editions? Less than zero balance.

TanaNari said:
Works that way in D&D, too.

Or have you not heard the phrase 'CoDzilla'?

Urban Dictionary: CoDzilla

Refers to a specific sort of character in a Dungeons and Dragons game. A CoDzilla is a Cleric or Druid who excels in one field, such as melee damage, far beyond the limits of any other class, while still more than capable at anything else he or she chooses. While a Fighter might have good...
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That's fairly new, but yes it's definitely a thing now.

In ye olde editions, it was common for a character who got "too strong" (e.g. 10th level) to retire. These characters who retired got to put their name on whatever mechanics they were able to trick the DM into allowing, stuff like new spells ("Melf's Acid Arrow" was from a PC named Melf for example).

Then the player's new character could talk up their old character's mechanics and spread the name in-world.
 
evildice said:
In older D&D editions? Less than zero balance.



That's fairly new, but yes it's definitely a thing now.

In ye olde editions, it was common for a character who got "too strong" (e.g. 10th level) to retire. These characters who retired got to put their name on whatever mechanics they were able to trick the DM into allowing, stuff like new spells ("Melf's Acid Arrow" was from a PC named Melf for example).

Then the player's new character could talk up their old character's mechanics and spread the name in-world.
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or the game shifting to domain management
 
MadGreenSon said:
Overlord exists because Maruyama was killing time when his D&D group had to cancel one night so he started writing a webnovel.
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Record of Lodoss War started as transcripts of a D&D campaign being published in magazines, got turned into novels, then anime, manga, etc and even spawned a new TTRPG of it's own that has supplanted D&D's popularity and become the most popular TTRPG in Japan.
 
TanaNari said:
Because Japan?

Everything is bureaucracy in Japan.
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Fair

Explains how/why they have analogies to office workers, even though it's a more physical job

Same for Guilds in Korea's Tower System Apocalypse LITRPG equivalents which started with Solo Leveling. Where it's more of a toxic corporate office environment than a PMC.
 
SuperPulp2789 said:
Same for Guilds in Korea's Tower System Apocalypse LITRPG equivalents which started with Solo Leveling. Where it's more of a toxic corporate office environment than a PMC.
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Solo Leveling takes place on Earth, in the modern day, after magic showed up.

There are bureaucrats and receptionists because it's Earth, in the modern day.

That doesn't bug me at all.


It is different and absurd to see the various fantasy medieval worlds which decided they need bureaucrats and receptionists (and goddamn receptionist uniforms holy shit) because the authors can imagine an escapist fantasy but not freedom from the systems of social coercion that forced them into fantasy escapism in the first place.
 
If there was an Adventurer's Guild in the Forgotten Realms setting it would be the uncontestable world superpower.
 
TheMidnightRook said:
Same reason merchants and craftsmen used guilds historically: mutual aid and protection
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If there was an Adventurer's Guild in the Forgotten Realms setting it would be the uncontestable world superpower.
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I think it would work best if there are multiple competing guilds rather than one big international body

Think of "Fixers" from Cyberpunk

They don't necessarily all have buildings where everyone goes to, hell, they may go to you instead and keep the deals a secret
 
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You know, besides the competing Adventurer's Guild in the next city over. And the six thousand or so others in the kingdom. And the million or so worldwide.
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I guess I'm used to all the manga where it's all the same guild wherever you go. Because if it was like that...
 
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