Sorry for late reply.
That not access issue - I'm myself gave two options how he could do it without owner's consent. No, problem here is plain, boring physic laws. Kurt here, in thirty second, set up twenty operations. Ten transfers for different accounts, and ten delayed returns. 1.5 second per operation. Not impossible? Maybe. But he did it remotely. No matter how fast your own PC may work, no matter how fast you can work yourself, there's time for signal from your PC to reach target's PC, then be processed, and then travel back.
So, yeah, not gonna happen without bending "physically possible" at least little.
Let's see, did I mention a link to SWIFT (ie, the international banking system), Yes, Yes I did. Computers in 2k, much less 2011 or *now* were fast enough to
even over networks exceed human ability to perceive. I can think of
3 ways, off the top of my head not requiring Kurt to have additional powers
not mentioned, to do what he did. This is of course, not presuming Wildbow just was sloppy on time.
Don't try again.
Therefore: Simple rule: if it's not in Text,
it doesn't exist, is the default. Kurt has no additional powers listed, I don't care what you argue. If it's
not written in Worm, in
clear, it's at
best inferred (and I despise that), and unless there's WoG I will
not infer. And I've stated WoG is optional.
This comes to this point: No handwavium here. Wildbow
consistently failed to detail out things he didn't want to do, and Kurt's a prime example Worse, I'll concede Wildbow didn't think things through (Let's not even
talk about what the
real conditions of Earth Bet
should be losing Kyushu, Newfoundland, et al, just to give an example, much less parts of Switzerland, London (jesus
Christ), The hammering NY took... want me to go on? The fact that Wildbow
says an international banking network remains, is nearly
impossible.
(FYI: Losing London
as it was in canon, would
gut the EU's banking networks to the point of near impossibility of recovery. NYC's damage would be bad, but not totally crippling, but there's only so much you can do, plus with the de facto loss of space communications, the damage Levvy does to telecom cables (has to) ... how in
hell is the network even
functioning at all.)
Indeed. You are absolutely right.
And since, as I learned from comment above, Entities are Yozi in your story, then Shards can make their hosts ignore any pecky "limits" just fine.
(Tbh, they can do it in canon too, but now I don't have to prove it to you)
WTF? No. Just no. Entities
are not Yozi. If you learned that, you frankly read
way too much into the comment I made
What I said, and the way it was to be taken: "Sol knows a few things, Autobot-Kun knows a few different things, the real truth is more than they know." Nothing more, NOTHING LESS. If that's difficult to understand... okay.
They aren't. Because,
Yozi means: "surrendered Primordial." Nothing more, nothing less. Therefore, Entities,
whatever they are,
are not Yozis.
Pro tip: See above about inferences and what I don't like or do. They aren't Yozi because
I have never said such. Nor are they
Primordials. Haven't said that either.
I flat out stated, that Sol and Autobot *don't know the whole story*. They don't.
EVEN presuming they are Primordials, as such. Your statement is moot, because The shards of the Entity would (and at least
functionally, even if they aren't exactly this) function as
demons of various circles.
Who
don't have the same powers or speed as Yozi (who aren't as fast as you think), and when working though humans are limited to the
host's speed.
Don't try again. You are moving goalposts and or arguing to argue, and I'm getting *very* tired of it. As has been said, Wildbow did a
lot of handwaving. I
am not.
If you haven't quite figured out: Exalted are going to *break the setting* and that's intentional. if needs be? I'll kill Kurt's shard just because of you. And there won't be shit he can do... because Exalted
break predictions, math, what have you.
Hell, I've already decided that Contessa is going to at least be crippled physically, if not outright killed, when the timing is right. Because she's dumb enough to rely too heavily on her shard, when her power is
even more susceptible to Essence odds cooking than even
Kurt's
Let me spell it out. Contessa, Coil's, Dinah's shards are advanced prediction engines, that to some degree ape what the Loom of Fate in Exalted does. Kurt's shard is a mathematical engine.
Essence use
disrupts the odds and predictions, by doing things that can't be simulated.
And the Exalted host
drives the Pattern Spiders nuts with their breaking of the Loom's prediction, you think something cobbled together to ape the Loom (built by the AutoBot Prime!) won't be?
Key word here is "dedicated". With normal training regime, with normal diet, with trainer to advice how you actually should do it - yes, definitely. But with only some morning runs, even if she did it every day? I see it as stretch. That's not impossible, but nor it plausible. So I suspect her Shard helped her with it.
So what? I know because A: I did it, at 27,
in physical therapy, in pain (4 weeks for me, but I was fucking done with being unable to do what I did before) and B: I've seen others, as long as you
pick a routine and stay dedicated to it, as in you follow it every day, you'll improve. Taylor has the added bonus of
not being exceptionally overweight, picking a routine that functions well with her frame, being in a period where her body is growing and adapting rapidly, and 'fairly athletic' is actually a reasonable goal in
six weeks, even without being a gym rat, much less three months.
Again,
don't bother. I flat out tell you once, twice,
thrice, Not in text, your suspicions are
not relevant. Suspect all you want. It matters not.
Ok, seems like we have some misunderstanding here. Mind to explain what you mean under "completely untraceable"?
I meant "completely untraceable for all practical purposes". I.e. they could, in theory, have some options, but those options are on the level of plausibility of "maybe aliens from the galaxy far, far away will come and do it for us". Maybe a little more, but not much.
That
is functionally completely untraceable. The thing is,
he cannot do such. NOR IS IT MENTIONED IN CANON HE DOES.
Again,
there is no word of god, no text in Worm that says he helps people to evade taxes.
Done, move on. Handwavium need not apply, suspicions or implications need not apply.
Can they hire Contessa to do it? Possible in theory, but not on practice. Can they hire hackers to break into "Fuckoff Bank" databases? They can hire, sure. But can these hackers actually do it? Only in theory, if they'll hire someone who at least comparable with Number Man. And so on.
Sure, one day A money will appear somewhere. But not THE money. So - untraceable for all practical purposes.
... you have
no clue how IRS/Revenue what have you would view that, do you? They'd ask
pointed questions where it came from. As KURT HIMSELF pointed out. Which you didn't challenge.
Yeah, we're done. At this point you're just arguing to argue, and not giving a shit about anything I said.
Protip, *I* have stated I'm a federal employee (Not with the IRS). However, one of my Aunts
IS an IRS auditor. (Well, she retired in 2020). I do have a clue of what I speak.
And bluntly? 500k Euros?
Just appearing? German Revenue Service (don't feel like looking it up) would have
very very pointed audits immediately. As Kurt
intended.
I said
exactly how you stay out of the IRS's clutches, and the fact of the matter is, Kurt can't keep his clients out.
Once and again: "NO HANDWAIVIUM!" There are
hard limits to parahuman powers. Accept it or not, at this point, I don't care.
This is almost *exactly* how they got Al Capone, remember? Money appeared, no 'traceable' source, no proof taxes were paid, and that was in the
frigging twenties.
Where? When he purposefully arranged things to fail for Nazis (who, btw, didn't used his services)? Yeah, great proof.
Have your own words, and try again:
If you don't understand how the system works, which you clearly don't, or are showing you don't, for whatever reason, there's no point. Done.
.
So, what make you think purchasing Tinkertech without PRT approval is not crime on Earch Bet? Our laws? Our laws not dealing with three decades of Worm-ness, nor superpowers.
Tinkertech may very well be illegal unless you have permission from PRT to own it.
I can think of
nine ways to have it as a non crime. Look, the law is all about
loopholes. And they exist. If you can't accept that, move on. Is it illegal to rely on it for major services? Sure, I'll concede that. Is it illegal to mass produce and sell? Also buyable.
But there's too many loopholes in how law is written
today, and the crew at Caldron wouldn't want to close every single one.
[qoute]
"His laundry? Yes, you can have it, if you want. This? No, this is Tinkertech, and like anything related to parahumans, it under PRT jurisdiction. His money? We have no clue where it is. Seriously. If you can find it - you can have it, no problem. What, John Smith? Why do you think he's Dodge? Can you prove it? No? Then kindly fuck off from innocent citizen."
[/quote]
Bullshit. Done. I don't care, if you think the IRS or others would tolerate losing their areas without
major attacks, you're higher than a kite. Limits exist, and
no one is going to piss of the IRS.
Here's a specific point of law: The IRS has
absolute and
primary jurisdiction over tax crimes involving the federal government, period, dot, the PRT can't do shit, I don't care. The IRS might involve the PRT as backup, but besides that? They
remember who punched out Al Capone. It wasn't the FBI. It wasn't the Marshalls. It was THEM.
Don't like, don't agree, I don't care. As I've stated at
least twice, I have worked for the federal government and are working for it. I know how it works, and what it is.
There are physical, hard, cold limits to what people can do, even backed up by powers.
Even Exalted will have a hell of a time fixing the system.
And they
got the charms to do so. Even if say, Colin dedicated a year to unfucking the PRT, he might not be
finished in that year, much less the
rest of the federal government.
(Pause to reboot computer, will edit to finish, fuck you IT...)
Resume:
"Unless in text it states he does so, I'm presuming he doesn't."
For their civilian ID? Yes, sure. For their Cape ID? Nope. At least not in general. Because if you killed hundreds, or sold equivalent of dozens nuclear bombs, you will have much more problem than tax evasion, unless you can strike deal with PRT. And if you can, then tax evasion wouldn't be problem, because you'll get new Cape ID.
And the moment they try to spend, transfer or use any money from their cape ID as a civilian, into their hands, *Boom* *done* The IRS has them. Again, this is how they
got Al Capone.
No more. We *are done* arguing this, you clearly want things and powers that
are not stated in canon, nor activities stated in canon.
Ain't happening, I'm the Quest master. You don't think that's right, go write your own story, run your own quest. I cannot please everyone, and I'm not even going to try. Sorry.
And that'd be up to PRT to say who is safe to hontain in conventional prison, and who - to dangerous and should be put in Birdcage. Not IRS, nor anyone alse.
You don't get how jurisdiction works, do you, in common law nations. It's not the
criminal, that matters. It is the
crime.
To be fair, that
is a simplification of the actual system but, it is actually how it really does work. Or are you trying to tell me, the PRT has the jurisdiction over
traffic tickets?
Seriously?
In the case described
in quest, where the IRS agents arrest (with PRT backup, to be fair), Max Anders,
yes, custody will be remanded to the PRT, as
correctional and holding pending trial authority.
Not as the agency with the authority to
investigate crimes or refer for prosecution
not using parahuman powers. The PRT would
not have (in fact, Becky tries, she'd be slapped down so hard) any authority to
prosecute crimes. Period, Dot, that's black letter law
older than the United States.
If you can't accept that, there is no point.
I don't think so. Do you really believe government can't ignore laws when they want to (so long as they keep it quiet, of course)?
No, I
know they do. Remember who I work for. However, the
easiest way for them to do so, is write their own loophole in. Why break the law, when you can exclude yourself from it. Pretty common. Or, as the way I'm defining NEPEA, they can asset they're using the 'artwork' or 'experimental' loophole.
And there are other specific buying loopholes that exist in laws (I actually had to learn this, oddly enough...), that'd do it as well.
Btw, not Toybox, although I wouldn't be surprised to find they sold something of other to Protectorate/PRT/government at one point.
Was misinformed, then, but indepdents do sell.
This is terminology clash indeed. Because as far as I know, "economic activities that are illegal, done illegally" is black market, no ifs or buts.
Except... it gets quirky.
Law is that way. The thing is:
Black market: is illegal sales (of services or goods) done illegally, and
that will be charged.
Grey market: is illegal sales that
either are ignored, as a matter of course (Sugar Babies, remember?) OR are done in a manner that cannot be charged.
I'll give you a
recent example. Rhode island. Did a sting on a strip club. Woman
got off on the charge they tried to nail with her, because
she didn't use the specific words of the statue.
Everyone knows what is what, but law is that way. Ergo
grey market. Because it's a loophole.
I suspect we have more misunderstanding here. Ok, let's say Elite want to pay taxes. How would they do it? They can't just drop bag with moneys on IRS office and be done with it. They aren't official organization. They don't, can't have any credentials, certifications or anything. So, they can't do it officially.
That is where you're basically *wrong*.
Once again, you don't understand how the law works here. You
can literally put down sex on your independent income form, as what you're selling, and the IRS as a matter of law,
cannot report it to anyone else. (I wouldn't, the usual dodge is personal companionship, or entertainment services.)
The IRS explicitly has primary and overall jurisdiction over
tax crimes, and
only tax crimes, and lying on your tax form is perjury. But, because of that,
The IRS is not supposed to report
other criminal activities to the appros authority. (But depending on what you're saying, they just might do it under the table.)
So, basically... there's just giving a vague description that if you squint, will cover what you do.
Then there is the below.
Did you meant the organizations that work as their storefronts. that do money laundering - to transfer it to their civilian IDs - pay their taxes? If so, you should've mention it, at least. Because I stated multyple times, that their civilian IDs,at least in general, most likely pay their taxes.
But they only need to launder money that they transfer to their civilian IDs. Not all their earnings.
And that's not
tax evasion. That's what I'm referring to all along. Form an S-class corp, keep what you say vague on the forms, do all your business though it, pay yourself out of it. Everything is kosher as far as the IRS is concerned. (Why do you think a
lot of nightclubs are associated with the various OC, and why Casinos were as well?)
They'll also pay sales tax, property tax, etc.
What I've stated, all along, is Kurt provides
money laundering services. Not Tax
evasion.
It's really not worth his time to try.
Because if he loses
one customer to that, they'll get more, and start really really looking. Tax Evasion is a PITA to successfully do. Laundering money, isn't the IRS' authority, oddly enough.
(International banking actually makes it
worse to get away with tax evasion even early on...)
But, I've come to the conclusion that you want this to go your way, and I'm flat out telling you: No, just no, I'm the one writing this, I'm the one who has to make it work, and I'm not playing handwavium games.
Exalted rules win, for the fusion/crossover. And Kurt, Contessa, et al
are not exalted.
Accept it or not.
Endbringers and there we are a what was it? A galaxy in density?
>> That actually strangely enough
works in Exalted.
