Tanya’s Hogwarts Adventures (Youjo Senki, Harry Potter)

[Mad_Smile2607]

Was young Tanya Degurechaff another Tom Riddle? A bright mind bent towards horrible ends that will go on to be the next Lord Voldemort? Was she already a killer?

Or was Albus seeing ghosts in the youth that are not there?

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(Not Insinuating or Insulting) Lets hope you wont go the road where sooo many fanfics go down "...NAH! I don't see ghosts! She's absolutely evil! No if's, whats or Buts. I shall hunt her down for the Greater Good and will never question this current decision of mine ever again! Regret? Whats that? Does it taste good? Think back on this moment!? What do I look like?! A FUNCTIONING SANE HUMAN BEING!?!"

Side note: Is Tanya clinically depressed?

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Yes... She needs some Meds... And a Therapist... And a Vacation. She REALLY NEEDS that Retirement Plan proper like.

 

[illerayn]

Side note: Is Tanya clinically depressed?

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Isn't she literally a functioning sociopath ? Like, she has muted emotions (even if she has emotions), she is impulsive (seeing her 2nd life in the Empire), but she is an incredibly good social chameleon, able to fake her way through social interactions, and is a highly rational individual. So I don't think she is depressed, but she probably has PTSD, and again, is a sociopath.
Thanks for the chapter, it was cool to see the other side of the mirror regarding Tanya's actions

 

[doc11]

didn't Dumbledore think she was a fae or am i thinking of a different harry potter youjo senki fic

 

[17453]

Isn't she literally a functioning sociopath ? Like, she has muted emotions (even if she has emotions), she is impulsive (seeing her 2nd life in the Empire), but she is an incredibly good social chameleon, able to fake her way through social interactions, and is a highly rational individual. So I don't think she is depressed, but she probably has PTSD, and again, is a sociopath.
Thanks for the chapter, it was cool to see the other side of the mirror regarding Tanya's actions

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Can add difficulty relating to people and initial difficulty empathising-with/caring-about (she definitely didn't care much about her men at the beginning of her time as Liutenant, and definitely did for at least some of the 201st towards the end of the story; no matter how much she claimed not to in her inner monologue) others to the list of sociopathic traits.

 

[Hk473]

So, if albus is talking about the meeting with severus, it is only a matter of time until Lucious learns that Tanya self defended herself quite competently. That could cause shenanigans

 

[Phylonemios]

Honestly, I just want something with Dumbledore discovering her multiples life and being bamboozled by the sheer bullshit she had to go through lmao.

"Want a drink ?" - propose Dumbledore while getting his stash of good (magical !) booze.

Thank you for writing !

 

[The Unicorn]

I think that is everything. Side note: Is Tanya clinically depressed?

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No, Tanya is definitely not suffering from depression.
You could justify an alternate Tanya with PTSD or other trauma related issues, but the one you have up to now didn't show any symptoms I would have expected to go with that so I suggest you avoid that.

People have made an argument for her being a functioning psychopath, but I think high-functioning autism fits better because she doesn't have any issue connecting emotionally to people, what she has is severe issues understanding people and cultural assumptions she grew up in.

Can add difficulty relating to people and initial difficulty empathising-with/caring-about (she definitely didn't care much about her men at the beginning of her time as Liutenant, and definitely did for at least some of the 201st towards the end of the story; no matter how much she claimed not to in her inner monologue) others to the list of sociopathic traits.

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Most people don't relate to strangers they only met for a short time, and given the casualty rates I'd expect all officers on that front tried to avoid connecting emotionally to the troops, so what you're describing isn't Tanya having difficulty connecting to people, it's her having no problem connecting emotionally to people and forming connections even when she tries avoiding them.

 

[Carcer]

Honestly, I just want something with Dumbledore discovering her multiples life and being bamboozled by the sheer bullshit she had to go through lmao.

"Want a drink ?" - propose Dumbledore while getting his stash of good (magical !) booze.

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That would honestly be fun as hell.

 

[Half_Baked_cat]

didn't Dumbledore think she was a fae or am i thinking of a different harry potter youjo senki fic

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This is that fic.

the one you have up to now didn't show any symptoms I would have expected to go with that so I suggest you avoid that.

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I'm not changing how I'm writing her. Just an ideal thought that came up while writing her.

 

[Psyckosama]

Tanya strikes me as high functioning autistic with standards, drives, and personal ethics that were badly warped by her period of military service.

 

[Reynard69]

I agree with autistic over sociopath, though they're not exclusive. Mentions from the OG about the sallaryman's previous life regularly talked about how he obcessed about one thing or another and how the only time he really related to other people was when they were both geeking out about war history otaku stuff. When he became Tanya, he liked to talk about how excited he was his interests had prepared him to live in the empire at that point in time.

 

[The Unicorn]

I'm not changing how I'm writing her. Just an ideal thought that came up while writing her.

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Glad to hear that.

Tanya strikes me as high functioning autistic with standards, drives, and personal ethics that were badly warped by her period of military service.

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I'm quite sure her standards were warped in her first life - they conclude they're "average" because they only reached second place in a national level contest.
As to her personal ethics, how do you think they were warped by the military service?

 

[Psyckosama]

I'm quite sure her standards were warped in her first life - they conclude they're "average" because they only reached second place in a national level contest.

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Started as autistic IMHO, plus probably had VERY strict parents. The kind who were very much "Second place is first looser."

As to her personal ethics, how do you think they were warped by the military service?

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The extreme normalization of violence for one along with destroying what little ability she has to reach out to other people due to having to, well...


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTh05L_fZNU

Yeeeeeaaaaah....

 

[The Unicorn]

The extreme normalization of violence for one along with destroying what little ability she has to reach out to other people due to having to, well...

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I don't see it.
She does not AFAIK consider violence acceptable or good, she does however believe she'll be executed if she doesn't act like a hyper-nationalistic patriotic idiot, which people around her misinterpret as being bloodthirsty because of her lack of communication or social skills.

Her ethics do not seem to have been warped by serving in the military, not at least unless you want to argue that most combat veterans ethics are warped (which is an argument I'd have serious issues with).

 

[Psyckosama]

I don't see it.
She does not AFAIK consider violence acceptable or good, she does however believe she'll be executed if she doesn't act like a hyper-nationalistic patriotic idiot, which people around her misinterpret as being bloodthirsty because of her lack of communication or social skills.

Her ethics do not seem to have been warped by serving in the military, not at least unless you want to argue that most combat veterans ethics are warped (which is an argument I'd have serious issues with).

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I suggest you reread my statement carefully because my word choice was specific.

There is a reason I used the word "Normalization". Tanya is very quick to employ violence when she is in a situation where, from here military mindset, it is appropriate when other people wouldn't.

For example, the pixies.

 

[The Unicorn]

For example, the pixies.

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Umm...no. Employing violence there was quite appropriate, even expected. The difference is the level and speed of deploying violence and the control and confidence she displayed while doing so.
Pixies might not be super dangerous mage killers like Baslisks or Dragons but they're still far from harmless as we see in canon.

 

[ZacSunTiBidea]

Umm...no. Employing violence there was quite appropriate, even expected. The difference is the level and speed of deploying violence and the control and confidence she displayed while doing so.
Pixies might not be super dangerous mage killers like Baslisks or Dragons but they're still far from harmless as we see in canon.

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Other adults might reasonably see exterminator levels of violence as appropriate.
Other children would only have reason to see that level of ruthlessness as apropriate with a very unfortunate series of encounters with them.

And even most wizarding adults tend toward subdual methods, if only because the spellwork is easier and wizards are nigh-fatally lazy about options.

Tanya's perspective is absolutely shifted dramatically on what constitutes an appropriate response.

I, however, hold that her military time only gave her trained reflexes, because I recognize something in the way the Salaryman behaved that tells me the shift predated the war. Specifically, the obsession with articulating the rules of interaction/engagement.

Almost nobody actually bothers to make sure they have clear, consise understandings of what the social rules of a venue are. Salaryman did. To a fae level of precision (and comprehensibility).

So even back during the Salaryman days, the response to pests would have been 'what is the most efficient means of esterminating them?' where most people's response is closer to 'oh no, I need to call in an expert and let them handle it because I don't know what to do.'

 

[The Unicorn]

Other adults might reasonably see exterminator levels of violence as appropriate.
Other children would only have reason to see that level of ruthlessness as apropriate with a very unfortunate series of encounters with them.

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No argument, but Tanya is mentally an adult.

Tanya's perspective is absolutely shifted dramatically on what constitutes an appropriate response.

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Maybe, but I don't see it. More like her abilities gave her a different set of tools than the average wizard. It's not that the average wizard will try and subdue Pixies because they don't want to kill them - they'll do so because a paralysis/knockout spell is the easiest way for them to deal with the Pixies safely. For Tanya the easiest way to do so safely was fire.

I, however, hold that her military time only gave her trained reflexes, because I recognize something in the way the Salaryman behaved that tells me the shift predated the war. Specifically, the obsession with articulating the rules of interaction/engagement.

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Agreed.Salryman/Tanya has an issue with social cues so they try and get a set of rules they can follow to the letter as an algorithm, with the usual hilarious results from someone trying to follow an incomplete set of instructions as an algorithm.

This is the primary reason I figure they're autistic rather than psychopathic.

 

[Piknos]

Poor Dumbledore, having to jump at ghouls and ghosts because of Riddle. Now that he knows she's killed people he'll have to go digging, it's only the responsible thing to do. And when it turns out that there's no such evidence of that stuff he'll have to dig even more.

If he thinks Tanya is fae maybe he'll try to strike a deal with her, something along the lines of not harming any of the denizens in Hogwarts in exchange for her learning there. With how Tanya is she'll likely treat it like a contract, doing her best to get benefits out of it and sticking to the deal. In the end that'll only reinforce Dumbledore's suspicions of her fae nature.

 

[BlackCoat13]

Honestly Dumbledore could have just asked her to tone down on the super violence on threat of academic punishment, he'd have been right to do so. The Pixies, though chaotic and at least a little dangerous, simply aren't worth bringing out the turbo murder like she did. Disturbing her classmates with her so at-will experienced precision violence outweighed being so effective in that situation. And you know, Lockheart had to round those up himself (probably not, he'd have gotten the House Elves to do it most likely, but true or not it'd be a good point for Dumbledore to wield) and he might have wanted to use those in another class. After all, most classes are two houses in the same year (We'll say that that was the Gryff/Huffle combo) so he might have had a class right after for the other half of her year and now he suddenly finds he's got... what, two Pixies left when he expected to still have the ten plus strong swarm? In addition, her having such lethal self studied magic is actually bad for her showing, because the response she should have used is... y'know, spells from Year 1, or possibly some of Year 2 Defense Against Dark Arts if she was an overachiever. Going so above and beyond makes it seem like she should be proficient, but Lockheart wouldn't know that. How is he supposed to grade her for today and assess that she retained what was taught from last year when she didn't even use magic that's been covered on the syllabus?

And such a strong showing that it eliminated all the Pixies... what about her year mates? They didn't get to test / demonstrate / flail in panic themselves at all because Tanya overshadowed them so efficiently. That was a controlled moment of panic that should have led a bunch of children to learning that danger exists and that they need to keep their heads in (a minimally) danger, which Lockheart surely would have outlined for them after he'd rounded up the pixies, except that she kind of ruined the impact. (Dumbledore can breeze over Lockheart being shit by saying she stole the show.) Clearly they'll need to start implementing 'as individual' tests for her year ahead of time if she doesn't reign it in, almost a full year and a half ahead of schedule for the DADA class to prevent her from dealing with any 'surprise' scenario meant for the class by herself. Now, if those had been Doxies a very similar small flying swarm creature but a known wizard killer, she would have been totally right to go for the super murder even if it disturbed her classmates, but it wasn't, so she actually screwed up, probably spooked her classmates and will be penalized on her day's grade for being more dangerous than was appropriate. Please stop killing the XXX, XX, and X rated non-threat creatures and save it for the XXXX and XXXXX rated ones that aren't supposed to be there.



TDLR: Dumbledore needs to subtly threaten her academic grades since her responses weren't any of the non-lethal spells she is supposed to know, to help get her into the mindset of not always leaping to killing outright. The Troll was an acceptable one-off where she went above and beyond and was rewarded due to protecting herself and another student, but it shouldn't set the tone of how to deal with magical creatures at Hogwarts so we'd appreciate it if you stopped killing Defense specimens.