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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Mr Zoat said:
"...Then you must travel unto the hallowed halls of Harvard University, whereupon you may suck my cock."

"So you want me to make sure that each university you apply to rejects you, and any trash-tier internet college you join fails you. For all eternity. Got it."
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At least Zeus earned that half copper that time. IMO, at least. Real shame that Zeus isn't the type to be humbled. He's probably busy planning on how to retake his throne after he gets his education.
 
The Froggy Ninja said:
Huh… Hades and Persephone were probably the most stable, healthy marriage in Greek mythology. Definitely among the Olympians. The whole kidnapping thing is pretty vague due to linguistic reasons, with it being reasonably argued that she was only kidnapped from Demeter's perspective, the page describing the pomegranate thing was ripped (possibly shattered?) before getting to the actual details of what, specifically, it did and Persephone's degree of knowledge and agency in the process. She got homesick but they figured out a commuting schedule, she likes his dog and every myth they appear in together has them very friendly to and protective of each other. Even in the marriage myth, Hades is never narratively portrayed as the bad guy, Zeus is, and mostly for not telling Demeter and immediately deflecting responsibility.
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Rockinalice said:
Ummm all i want to say is in this quote here

Best research i can find is

Hades loves his wife and as far as the Myths go has never cheated on her,
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The Froggy Ninja said:
And, perhaps more relevantly, the feeling seems to be mutual. It's kind of glossed over in that video but Persephone has had her own moments of "don't mess with my spouse".
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Darko said:
In this story the love between the two of them seems to just come from Hades.

Hades apparently asked Zeus if he could marry her, so Zeus agreed.

Unfortunately since she wasn't consulted about it, Persephone was intimidated by Hades and wrmt along with him because she was afraid.

Their relationship in this regard hasn't improved much, with Hades loving her but Persephone does not seem to actually love him in a romantic manner.
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NightmareWarden said:
SOOOOooooooOOO! Hades' feelings from X years ago when the marriage fiasco happened lines up with your words. But time has passed. And the Persephone in Mr Zoat's story did not warm up to Hades. She likely respects him, but has not been romantically involved with him for a long time. We can speculate (similar to Hephaestus's leg) that Persephone has stayed with him since to avoid countering the will of Zeus (which was "marry Hades"). Of course her obligation to stay down on the underworld each year could have consequences if her relationship with Demeter changes suddenly.

In this story Persephone's situation affecting Demeter's feelings is not the sole cause of winter like it was in myths. There are other gods responsible as well as inertia and the default laws of physics which contribute to the seasons. But Demeter spending time with an active Persphone year-round could still have minor consequences.


Is Jupiter an option? Could he replace Zeus for Billy?
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So, yeah, since nobody seems to have posted the link yet, here's where this came up in story.
And to provide my own summary of the sequence of events for those who don't want to click the link:
Hades falls for Persephone and asks Zeus about marrying her.
Zeus gives his permission and possibly at least implies he spoke to Demeter/Persephone.
Hades goes to pick up his bride and she decides that, with Zeus having already agreed, she's not gambling on Hades being nicer than Zeus about being told "no".
They marry and at some point after Zagreus and Melinoe have been born, she realises that Hades won't force himself on her if she says no and... that seems to be essentially how things remain until the present day.
 
Also interested about Earth 16 Heracles. With Zeus deposed has that affected his demigod status at all or is he more vulnerable without Zeus as his advocate? I want to see something with some of the Amazons realizing with no Zeus getting Heracles in some capacity is possible.
 
Zeus adventures in college could have been fun in the 90s. He'd probably wanna stay longer than a bachelor's.

Now?
Now thingd might get messy.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer god.
 
hance1986 said:
Also interested about Earth 16 Heracles. With Zeus deposed has that affected his demigod status at all or is he more vulnerable without Zeus as his advocate? I want to see something with some of the Amazons realizing with no Zeus getting Heracles in some capacity is possible.
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Herakles probably ascended to full godhood a long time ago.
 
I just caught up with a year's worth of chapters in a few days, and I find myself mildly disappointed that there isn't more. As a side note, the TFP chapters were surprising to see and very enjoyable.
 
Darko said:
Maybe Zeus will be the one that plays a part in starting it.

I can see him doing something so horrible that the movement starts.

It would probably be one of the few good things he's done.
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Unless he becomes a multimillionaire or a movie producer in the next 5 years.... That's a bit of a stretch even for him.

The person in question going to make so many super babies though unless he bothers with birth control.
 
Old Knife said:
Unless he becomes a multimillionaire or a movie producer in the next 5 years.... That's a bit of a stretch even for him.

The person in question going to make so many super babies though unless he bothers with birth control.
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Zeus is definitely one of those guys who thinks real men don't use condoms.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"I don't think he'll geld you for wanting to come off the civil list. Given the backlogs I'm seeing around here, I'd be more worried about what your father will say."
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For anyone who was wondering what Paul is probably making reference to. I sort of vaguely recognized it from reading about British government before, but if I hadn't it's a Britishism that I'd've missed completely, and did still need to look up.
 
Bud-E said:
Zeus is definitely one of those guys who thinks real men don't use condoms.
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Eh. HStan should definitely do something about that.
Or maybe not because we're somehow forgetting the pill being a thing.

Hmm... college Zeus might actually enjoy this experience.


Unless this of course somehow gets us Disney Hercules! Zeus. Disney Zeus is best Zeus.
 
Regnancy (part 3)
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    "…psychiatrists to experience their patients' condition. Fewer avail themselves of the opportunity than choose to experience nightmares, and I doubt that either will ever be truly popular."

    Hephaestaean nods at Melinoë's description. 'Nightmares and Madness' is never going to be a super-popular domain, but there are things she could be doing with it that she isn't. Actually allowing cursing, for a start. I wasn't keen due to the fact that magic regulation is a sensitive enough topic already and I wanted her to at least be able to connect with some people, even if they were weirdoes like Dr. Crane.

    Hephaestaean makes eye contact with me for a moment while his other limbs leaf through Melinoë's written records. They have cameras, so… It looks like he's capable of multithreading his thought processes now. Sorting huge quantities of data will be child's play. We weren't sure he'd get 'data'…

    "Unless you allowed it to be weaponised, which Paul advised you not to do."

    The National Rifle Association is already suing to get a ruling saying that magic ammunition is covered by the 2nd Amendment, and given the changes that the Sheeda caused they'll probably get it. Regular small arms ammunition was not reliable against Sheeda armour, even if the shooter could hit them. The original lawsuit was trying to get offensive spells covered as well, but it was clear fairly early on that that wasn't going to work. Though…

    A gun is a gun. A weapon. Something like a knife is a tool. Just about every kitchen on the planet has at least one sharp knife, and most will have more. Yes, you can stab someone with one, but there are plenty of other daily uses. Same with saws, nails, hammers…

    When someone learns magic, even if they don't learn any purely offensive spells, they've learned something that effectively lets them smith a gun in a minute or two with no equipment. Not a great gun, but it'll still kill people. Electricians could probably rig up a taser if they had access to a toolkit and some wire, but they don't learn how to throw lightning.

    Legislatures around the world are interesting places right now.

    "Do you intend to command me otherwise?"

    "Not at the present time. You are active in your domain; I do not intend to second guess you. My main query for you regards your work with your father. Nothing about your domain relates to justice or judgement."

    "Father needed more judges and my brother and I were available."

    "Would you object to those responsibilities being passed to other people?"

    "No. But it would take a considerable amount of time to train someone in the forms of Father's court."

    "I think it is worth retasking Dike and Eunomia. It is unlikely that mortal judges will turn to us for guidance within the foreseeable future, and Erebos has a substantial backlog now."

    "My lord, have you considered promoting the older shades? Those with long exposure of Lord Hades' court would make up in experience what they lack in divine magic."

    He nods. "That may be wise, but it remains Hades's decision. This is his domain, and I will not intrude on the details of his rulership." He returns his full attention to Melinoë. "You may take your leave; I will return your notes to you once I have copied them."

    Melinoë nods and turns away, not looking at me as she heads back towards her court.

    "Paul." He waits until Melinoë closes the door to his borrowed office. With so many deities gathered here to make this happen, I imagine that he decided to stay put until he'd been able to meet them in his new official capacity. Or perhaps so that he can deal with Tartarus's inmates. "How goes it?"

    "Slight problem. Captain Marvel can't transform. Zeus was one of his sponsors-."

    He nods. "And with Zeus rendered mortal, that power is no longer available. Has it affected anyone else?"

    "The two friends with whom he shares his power. I'm… Not aware of Zeus personally sponsoring anyone else. I don't suppose that you're able to sort him out, are you?"

    "Not without breaking my word to Zeus and granting someone else his station. What steps have you taken?"

    "I asked another person with similar abilities to see if they could transform him. They can't. I asked Zeus, and he.. didn't have any helpful suggestions."

    "He asked you to suck his penis, didn't he?"

    "And now Marvel is going to talk to the man who Zeus delegated the job to."

    Hephaestaean grimaces. "Because of course Zeus couldn't pay attention to a mortal champion himself. In ages past such things were a major source of interest amongst the Olympians." He shakes his head. "Now many barely pay attention to their own domains, indulging themselves rather than doing their duty."

    I remember a forge on a hillside of-.

    "I know that expression." I see a red light behind his left eyeball. I guess that's some sort of analytical system. "Even though I only had a handful of worshippers, I answered the prayers of the Amazons and I went to smithing trade shows. I even wrote a few articles in trade magazines. I didn't try to convert people, because who cares about some old smith from a Greek island hardly anyone has heard of? I could have done more, but I was still doing my duty."

    "One other problem. I take it that you're happy with Hades's work?"

    Hephaestaean nods. "I intend to make this 'safe harbour for the souls' a major part of our bidding for the souls of mankind."

    "What's your plan for when Persephone asks for a divorce?"

    "… Oh."

    "You divorced yourself from Aphrodite, but you could do that on the grounds of infidelity. Same with Hera and Zeus. But you didn't state that as the reason. So it looks like you've just taken the authority to divorce people for yourself. Persephone has never been happy in her marriage, but she's been faithful and so has Hades. Unless I've missed something-."

    "The only grounds for divorce would be her habitual abandonment of her husband, and that would require him to ask for one. Which he will not do."

    "But does the King of Olympus need a cause?"

    "He should. I came to the throne by power, but I took that power because I believe that my cause is just. If I rule by power alone then I'm no better than Cronus."

    I shrug. "I agree, but my opinion matters little. Persephone doesn't know me, and while Hades likes me he doesn't like me enough to forget the love of his life and mother of his children."

    "Do you have any advice?"

    "Establish a constitution defining your powers and responsibilities and stick to it. But that's for the future. Right now…" I shrug again. "Not… Really. I don't think there's a good answer. Any advice on the Captain Marvel issue?"

    "Zeus derived his ease at conjuring lightning from the arcane smithing of the cyclopes. They dislike the company of gods, though you may be better able to barter with them than we could. I have no idea where they live in the modern era, though if you intend to seek them out I suggest asking Gaea."

    I nod. "Will do. Anything I can do to help you?"

    "Seek out Olympians across the world and inform them of what has happened. Win them over, if you can." Two arms blur, molecule-printing… A book, into the space on his borrowed desk. "Here's a list of the names I know of and descriptions of their habits. Some you know, some you do not."

    The print finishes in seconds, and I drop the resulting tome into subspace.

    "Will do. Good luck with your new duties."

    "I may well need it."
     
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    "Zeus derived his ease at conjuring lightning from the arcane smithing of the cyclopes. They dislike the company of gods, though you may be better able to barter with them I we could. I have no idea where they live in the modern era, though if you intend to seek them out I suggest asking Gaea."
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    That should say "them than we could".

    Mr Zoat said:
    I nod. "Will do. Anything I can do to help you?"

    "Seek out Olympians across the world and inform them of what has happened. Win them over, if you can." Two arms blur, molecule-printing… A book, into the space on his borrowed desk. "Here's a list of the names I know of and descriptions of their habits. Some you know, some you do not."

    The print finished in seconds, and I drop the resulting tomb into subspace.

    "Will do. Good luck with your new duties."

    "I may well need it."
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    I am hoping we'll get to see how some gods react to meeting Paul for the first time, especially if they're aware of his part in Zeus being overthrown.
     
    Mr Zoat said:
    "That may be wise, but it remains Hades's decision. This is his domain, and I will not intrude on the details of his rulership."
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    Makes sense, since technically Hades is head of his own Underworld pantheon that is just allied to Olympian one.
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    Hephaestaean nods. "I intend to make this 'safe harbour for the souls' a major part of our bidding for the souls of mankind."
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    Do they have to adjust the whole 'be buried with a gold coin to pay the boatkeeper Charon to carry them' thing? I imagine Charon might want the help but he still wants to get paid.

    On another note, oh boy I look forward to reaction of Greek afterlife advertising itself to world.
     
    Mr Zoat said:
    . 'Nightmares and Madness' is never going to be a super-popular domain
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    Yeah, most may just use it to curse their enemies.

    Though there are weirdos like Crane who enjoy fear, and people do take weird drugs that cause nightmares, so maybe Melinoe can work with that.

    Or maybe she can potentially protect people from nightmares.

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    My main query for you regards your work with your father. Nothing about your domain relates to justice or judgement."
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    Her domain could potentially be used for punishment, so there's that.

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    I asked Zeus, and he.. didn't have any helpful suggestions."

    "He asked you to suck his penis, didn't he?
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    He knows him so well.

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    Hephaestaean grimaces. "Because of course Zeus couldn't pay attention to a mortal champion himself. In ages past such things were a major source of interest amongst the Olympians
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    Though it was probably less "epic saga" and more like a gambling game.

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    Hephaestaean nods. "I intend to make this 'safe harbour for the souls' a major part of our bidding for the souls of mankind
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    Good thing, but the first people that may decide to use it may not be so good.

    When Thana told Paul that she was planning on converting people to Hellenism to stop them from going to Hell, Paul told her that most may do it so that they can avoid punishment.

    At least eternal punishment.

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    He should. I came to the throne by power, but I took that power because I believe that my cause is just. If I rule by power alone then I'm no better than Cronus."
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    You could potentially just create something like no fault divorce.
     
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    Yeah, most may just use it to curse their enemies.
    Though there are weirdos like Crane who enjoy fear, and people do take weird drugs that cause nightmares, so maybe Melinoe can work with that.
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    Lots of people enjoy scary movies and then there is the saying about 'facing your fears'. Also, people who write and make horror fiction might very well use her as a muse.
     
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