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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I'm fairly certain the Qwardians worship the anti life. Or something very ideologically aligned.

Freedom Fighters implied linkage between the Anti-monitor and the ALE when it revealed that the "mathemagicians of anti-life" were in fact the Anti-monitor's shadow demons.

They weren't formally linked until post flashpoint where they retconned the Anti-monitor to being a person empowered by the anti-life equation, which is the life equation equivalent of the Crime Syndicate universe.
 
This doesn't parse correctly to me. How could she even technically mean anything other than the souls with this phrasing? Like if Paul would have asked, what would the question have looked like?
There are ways to eat a soul, incorporating its magical energy into the eater. Merely eating their flesh is a far less extreme and more common thing.
 
I don't think I have to worry about the current captain having a off-network secure monitoring system. I'm not even convinced that she knows how to use the regular one. "Friends."
'an off-network'
Nguyen walks through the door cautiously, sword at the ready I float through after her, ready to evade immediately if I need to.
Full stop between 'ready' and 'I'?
'Some may question your right to destroy ten billion people. Those who understand realise that you have no right to let them live!'
God, I love 40K. Glad to see so many chapters of it.
Never heard of this guy or the other two. I hope that this guy is actually Mork, having hornswoggled people into thinking that he's a Chaos God with the power of Kunnin' Brutality.
And hobble upright and make sure I tell Tsua'm and Bo'ohk to prioritise medical aide once I get out.
'aid'?
"P'ol, I am going to have to explain this to the aun'ar'tol. Not the Lar'shi'aun'ar'tol, the T'au'aun'ar'tol. Aun'o'T'au'Acaya'Va'Denta himself will want to question me. This is not merely a matter of practicality. It affects everything about how the Tau Empire deals with theses creatures. So, please; as much as I usually enjoy our banter, this is a time for absolute seriousness."
'these creatures'
"The Ecclesiarchy's faith doesn't have theological space for things like him. So we can't use him as a figurehead without provoking a crusade-. A bigger crusade, as they assume that the Tau Empire has fallen to Chaos.
I mean, they would think it was a daemon, but the Ecclesiarchy does have quite a lot of leniency sometimes, particularly when they're trying to convert people.
Got mates, some of them
Damn nice story.
The Imperium is far ahead of them, but… Doesn't bother.
Gotta love slave-loaded starship weapons. Although sadly, I remember seeing a calculation which I think said that a purely slave-loaded Nova cannon is physically impossible with the normal size of Imperial ships.
And it would make more sense to monitor for psykic potential rather than trying to maximise their capacity for a particular trade."
Not sure if this is deliberate, or if it should be 'psychic'.
"Most people the citizenry kill are on planets, and most of the rest are near to inhabited planets.
'Citizenry'?
"I don't actually think that overthrowing the concept of democracy in favour of oligarchy would be as easy in reality as Robert Heinlein thought it would be."
Did Earth fall to oligarchy before the grassroots veterans took over? I just remember general degeneracy. My memory of the book isn't great, though.
She laughs, because the films were practically opposite-viewpoint parodies of the books. Plus a criminal lack of the powered armour technology from the books. :cool: ...Because Power Armour is almost as cool as a Power Ring.
Even the Arachnids had power armour in the book! I don't hate the movies, but I can't forgive them for turning the Arachnids from a technological civilisation to generic animalistic bio-tech bug aliens.
 
Which leaves other lesser chaos powers like Mo'rcck, Phraz-Etar or An'sl and I've got no idea what their daemons look like, or this could be a daemon of Chaos Undivided.
Never heard of this guy or the other two. I hope that this guy is actually Mork, having hornswoggled people into thinking that he's a Chaos God with the power of Kunnin' Brutality.
Mo'rcck - Micheal Moorcock: Fantasy Writer whose works inspired the Warhammer form of 'Chaos';
Phraz-Etar - Frank Frazetta: Legendary and iconic fantasy artist.
An'Sl - Most likely Bryan Ansell: Early designer for Games Workshop, including Warhammer Fantasy Battles.
And these are actual references from Early Warhammer. They loved their references, they did. :D
 
'an off-network'
Full stop between 'ready' and 'I'?
'aid'?
'these creatures'
Not sure if this is deliberate, or if it should be 'psychic'.
Thank you, corrected.
Both would be correct.
Did Earth fall to oligarchy before the grassroots veterans took over? I just remember general degeneracy. My memory of the book isn't great, though.
'Rule by military veterans' is a form of oligarchy.
Even the Arachnids had power armour in the book! I don't hate the movies, but I can't forgive them for turning the Arachnids from a technological civilisation to generic animalistic bio-tech bug aliens.
I was wondering about that.
I vaguely remember you once mentioned that the Uxas from the Crime Syndicate universe was working in the fast food industry with Suli.
I don't remember telling you that.
Gods damn it, past me.
 
Huh. All these years I thought that oligarchy was rule by the wealthy, and only now have I actually bothered to look up the definition.
Yeah, 'rule by the wealthy' is plutocracy (though you were right that it's a form of oligarchy). IIRC, the philosopher who named them considered oligarchy the corrupt form of aristocracy, as well as naming ochlocracy as the corrupt form of a democracy (while still technically being a democracy, as opposed to when it becomes another form of government, such as the various times post-revolutionary France became monarchies or dictatorships).
 
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Fear Ourself (part 2)
20th January 2013
10:47 GMT


"YRAAGYH!"

I collapse, steam rising from-. No, that's carbonised flesh.

That's carbonised flesh that isn't repairing itself as quickly as it should.

"Was that necessary?"

Jade interposes herself, but she really shouldn't. Kalmin would think for a moment before killing me. He doesn't owe Jade a thing.

"It was insulting. I have already told him my price for forging a new yellow power ring. Sinestro's head!"

I bypass the healing-impairment by tearing off the damaged flesh, which is… Quite a lot, actually.

"A simple 'no' would have sufficed, Lantern Kalmin."

"This is more memorable. And no, there is nothing that you could offer me in its place. And if there were, the very fact that I have stated my requirement would prohibit it."

I nod, sidestepping so that I have a direct line of sight around Jade. "Nifty weapon. What do you call it?"

"This?" He taps a small amulet on his armour. "The scourer. It bypasses defences well but has no real penetration."

"A low lethality weapon? Was that an insult?"

"Yes."

"Okay. How are your students doing?"

Kalmin glowers. "Was that a threat?"

"No. I just thought that while I'm here I might as well get an update."

"Oh." He sounds mildly put out.

"Problem?"

"They are competent enough engineers and physicists, but I fear that the lack of mortal peril might take the edge off their mental sharpness. There's more to being a Weaponer than just making weapons."

"My homeworld has been Anti-Lifed. If you want to send them our way, I'm sure that we'll find ways to try to kill them that even you have scarcely envisioned."

"Bah. Anti-Life." He turns back to his forge. "Philosophical destruction does not interest me."

"Do you mind if I make the offer to them?"

"No. If the fools take you up on your offer, that's for them to survive."

"Okay. Well, unless there's anything else-" I glance at Jade, but she shakes her helmet. "-we'll leave you to it."

"Can I expect Sinestro's head, or was this just a waste of my time?

"We'll see. I need a yellow power ring, and there are only so many options."

I motion towards the door with my head and Jade takes the hint, heading that way while I keep Kalmin in full view-. I think he just smiled. Once she's out I follow her, trusting her to keep an eye on him.

I twitch as the outer door slams shut. Ow.

"Are you alright? That looked like it hurt."

"Yes, it did. But pain is transitory. It was more the surprise than anything else."

"Should you have left tissue samples in his workshop?"

"I doubt that it will matter. So, next option."

"You said that when you were at Vanishing Point, at least one other version of you had a yellow power ring."

"Right, and he was enlightened too. He'd be perfect if I had the slightest idea how to contact him." I shake my head. "If I could contact any of them. The Yellow, Indigo and Red Lanterns would complete the group."

"Evil Alan Scott?"

"It's possible, only I don't really want to risk owing him or giving him ideas about the Anti-Life. And… I don't know if he's got the skill, and I don't trust him."

"It's still worth asking him."

I exhale slowly.

"Yes. It is. But that still leaves red and indigo. I met an Indigo Lantern a year and a half ago, but he legged it after I freed him from captivity. And red…"

"We can't be that short on angry, hate-filled people."

"No, but we need angry, hate-filled people who are angry and hate-filled about things that we hate and get angry about. People who retain control of their faculties when they're angry."

I checked, and Ysmault is in a very clearly marked no-go area. Even Guy wouldn't tell me exactly who's being kept there, but if events line up with my expectations it's all five of the Five Inversions. Attacking a Guardian facility with the express intent of giving an inmate a novel power ring is… Even more of a last resort thing than asking Al Scott for help.

Who do I know who's heroic and angry enough to use a red ring?

Ah

Yes..?

Scott Free is back in contact with his father, and if we have an actual plan then I.. think Orion would probably be willing to go along with it. We'd still need to actually get a red power ring, and those don't exist here yet. At least I don't have to explain how I know about them.

"I know a few people who might be able to do that."

"People on Earth?"

"Most of them. Do you have someone in mind?"

"Orion of New Genesis. Given all the New God-related stuff we've got going on, we've got a good reason to visit them. But first we'd need a red ring."

"Can the Controllers make one?"

"Controllers, no. Unaligned Maltusians, maybe. We'll have to ask Hinon if she can recommend anyone."

"What about the Qwardians?"

"I've never heard of them researching red rings, and… Kalmin said that he murdered a world to make Sinestro's ring. I don't… Really want to encourage them to do the same for someone else."

"He needed to kill a world to make Sinestro's ring?"

"Yes. Ah, that's what he said, and I doubt that he'd lie about it. It's not like it would have been something a Weaponer would have to hide."

"Which world?"
 
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Do he met Kalmin.

"A simple 'no' would have sufficed, Lantern Kalmin."

"This is more memorable

To be fair, Paul can be pretty stubborn, so a more physical demonstration of an answer would stick more.

"A low lethality weapon? Was that an insult

Yep.

Okay. How are your students doing?"

Kalmin glowers. "Was that a threat?"

"No. I just thought that while I'm here I might as well get an update."

"Oh." He sounds mildly put out

Well if he considers them a threat then that means that Kalmin has been doing something right to make them into one, so Paul threatening them is an acknowledgement of Kalmin's skill as a teacher.

Bah. Anti-Life." He turns back to his forge. "Philosophical destruction does not interest me

You're more of a hands-on type of guy.

"Should you have left tissue samples in his workshop

I'm betting he already has somehow gotten his hands on his tissue before this.

"I doubt that it will matter

Now I can't wait for the future episode in which it will matter.

"It's possible, only I don't really want to risk owing him or giving him ideas about the Anti-Life. And… I don't know if he's got the skill, and I don't trust him

I mean, you can just take it from him or kill him and give it to Batman.

Scott Free is back in contact with his father, and if we have an actual plan then I.. think Orion would probably be willing to go along with it

A chance to screw over his bio dad?

In the words of Kite Man, hell yeah!
 
... Okay I'm confused, up until now Paul has been avoiding sinestro because he doesn't want to fight a pointless battle, and Sinestro is legitimately a big damned deal.

Why is this not enough to change that equation?
 
20th January 2013
10:47 GMT

"It was insulting. I have already told him my price for forging a new yellow power ring. Sinestro's head!"
Wasn't that conversation (where Sinestro's head was listed as the price) about Kalmin making another Blue Ring, with the extra caveat that Paul would have to find another source of Hope strong enough to act as the emotional fuel? Easy to extrapolate that out to any colored ring, but I was expecting Paul to be pedantic about it.
 
moral -> mortal
we at -> we were at
Thank you, corrected.
... Okay I'm confused, up until now Paul has been avoiding sinestro because he doesn't want to fight a pointless battle, and Sinestro is legitimately a big damned deal.

Why is this not enough to change that equation?
The SI hasn't been avoiding Sinestro. It's true that he hasn't spent time seeking him out, but that's because he doesn't know if it's worthwhile.
 
20th January 2013
10:47 GMT


"YRAAGYH!"

I collapse, steam rising from-. No, that's carbonised flesh.
...Okay, not laughing. But still very much not the response OL was hoping for. I suppose he can take it as a point in his favour that Kalmin didn't kill him outright. Not that it looks like that didn't hurt. :p

That's carbonised flesh that isn't repairing itself as quickly as it should.

"Was that necessary?"
Huh. Might be a useful weapon for... Something?

Jade interposes herself, but she really shouldn't. Kalmin would think for a moment before killing me. He doesn't owe Jade a thing.

"It was insulting. I have already told him my price for forging a new yellow power ring. Sinestro's head!"
...I thought that was for a Blue Ring? Or are you just charging heads for any colour in general?

I bypass the healing-impairment by tearing off the damaged flesh, which is… Quite a lot, actually.

"A simple 'no' would have sufficed, Lantern Kalmin."
...Goddamn, OL. That sounds nasty. :confused:

"This is more memorable. And no, there is nothing that you could offer me in its place. And if there were, the very fact that I have stated my requirement would prohibit it."

I nod, sidestepping so that I have a direct line of sight around Jade. "Nifty weapon. What do you call it?"
Welp. He's going to obstinate about it, I guess...

"This?" He taps a small amulet on his armour. "The scourer. It bypasses defences well but has no real penetration."

"A low lethality weapon? Was that an insult?"
To be fair, he knows you are very hard to keep dead. And didn't want to burn all his goodwill with NEMO...

"Yes."

"Okay. How are your students doing?"
Heh. Of course OL is going to be 'Okay.' about being fried alive.

Kalmin glowers. "Was that a threat?"

"No. I just thought that while I'm here I might as well get an update."
I mean, Kalmin doesn't exactly do 'friendly visits', so of course he'd misunderstand...

"Oh." He sounds mildly put out.

"Problem?"
You haven't gotten them all killed, have you?

"They are competent enough engineers and physicists, but I fear that the lack of moral peril might take the edge off their mental sharpness. There's more to being a Weaponer than just making weapons."

"My homeworld has been Anti-Lifed. If you want to send them our way, I'm sure that we'll find ways to try to kill them that even you have scarcely envisioned."
Hah. Throw them at the galaxy's peninsula of power levelling... Truly, sink or swim.

"Bah. Anti-Life." He turns back to his forge. "Philosophical destruction does not interest me."

"Do you mind if I make the offer to them?"
Well, good to have that question answered.

"No. If the fools take you up on your offer, that's for them to survive."

"Okay. Well, unless there's anything else-" I glance at Jade, but she shakes her helmet. "-we'll leave you to it."
Heh, coming in fully-armoured. Probably a good idea.

"Can I expect Sinestro's head, or was this just a waste of my time?

"We'll see. I need a yellow power ring, and there are only so many options."
Sadly, I don't think the Guardians will be willing to play those games. So... Maltusians.

I motion towards the door with my head and Jade takes the hint, heading that way while I keep Kalmin in full view-. I think he just smiled. Once she's out I follow her, trusting her to keep an eye on him.

I twitch as the outer door slams shut. Ow.
Probably amused at the foolishness of affection.

"Are you alright? That looked like it hurt."

"Yes, it did. But pain is transitory. It was more the surprise than anything else."
I mean, it sounds like it hurt like a paper cut... :eek: Dunked in salty lemon juice.

"Should you have left tissue samples in his workshop?"

"I doubt that it will matter. So, next option."
Kalmin's not really one for biological solutions, after all.

"When we at Vanishing Point. At least one other version of you had a yellow power ring."

"Right, and he was enlightened too. He'd be perfect if I had the slightest idea how to contact him." I shake my head. "If I could contact any of them. The Yellow, Indigo and Red Lanterns would complete the group."
Best to leave reality-hopping for the most extreme scenarios, OL. That sort of thing always leads to trouble.

"Evil Alan Scott?"

"It's possible, only I don't really want to risk owing him or giving him ideas about the Anti-Life. And… I don't know if he's got the skill, and I don't trust him."
After all, 'Cui Bono?'... I can imagine him picking up some vicious ideas in that case...

"It's still worth asking him."

I exhale slowly.
...Yeah, she's pretty much got a point. I doubt Sinestro's going to care.

"Yes. It is. But that still leaves red and indigo. I met an Indigo Lantern a year and a half ago, but he legged it after I freed him from captivity. And red…"

"We can't be that short on angry, hate-filled people."
Hate-filled and angry is easy. It's what they're angry about that matters.

"No, but we need angry, hate-filled people who are angry and hate-filled about things that we hate and get angry about. People who retain control of their faculties when they're angry."

I checked, and Ysmault is in a very clearly marked no-go area. Even Guy wouldn't tell me exactly who's being kept there, but if events line up with my expectations it's all five of the Five Inversions. Attacking a Guardian facility with the express intent of giving an inmate a novel power ring is… Even more of a last resort thing than asking Al Scott for help.
Yeah, that would be a case of not just burning any bridges with the greenies, but dumping FOOF on them...

Who do I know who's heroic and angry enough to use a red ring?

Ah
Oh, boy... Another attempt to contact New Genesis...

Yes..?

Scott Free is back in contact with his father, and if we have an actual plan then I.. think Orion would probably be willing to go along with it. We'd still need to actually get a red power ring, and those don't exist here yet. At least I don't have to explain how I know about them.
Given that Hinon knows your origins, and you have the excuse of 'I met alternates with various colours', yeah.

"I know a few people who might be able to do that."

"People on Earth?"
A little more problematic, but manageable...

"Most of them. Do you have someone in mind?"

"Orion of New Genesis. Given all the New God-related stuff we've got going on, we've got a good reason to visit them. But first we'd need a red ring."
Yeah, this whole thing is kind of predicated on acquiring or manufacturing at least one.

"Can the Controllers make one?"

"Controllers, no. Unaligned Maltusians, maybe. We'll have to ask Hinon if she can recommend anyone."
Oh, that's going to be a treat... Why am I suddenly picturing someone like a Maltusian Kratos?

"What about the Qwardians?"

"I've never heard of them researching red rings, and… Kalmin said that he murdered a world to make Sinestro's ring. I don't… Really want to encourage them to do the same for someone else."
And that's not a joke, either. I can't imagine what killing a planet with Rage would look like...

"He needed to kill a world to make Sinestro's ring?"

"Yes. Ah, that's what he said, and I doubt that he'd lie about it. It's not like it would have been something a Weaponer would have to hide."

"Which world?"
...True, there are a few worlds that would deserve that fate...

All right, then. Kalmin approached, and OL soundly rebuffed. Getting a full set of Rings is going to be annoying, isn't it? I shudder to imagine the reaction if he manages to track down an Indigo Tribesman and asks them for assistance. On the upside, making Red Rings is going to allow OL and company a lot more say in their mechanics. Hopefully less napalm-frothing berserker and more Razer...
 
Well I have to say Paul's go to for "angry but can control it" being Orion is funny.

In the comics one of his motherbox's duties is basically keeping him on Prosac to stop him from going into homicidal rages.

So that's pretty much like vouching for Bruce Banner's anger management skills.

Not that there is any evidence that is the case in YJ, but it's still funny.
 
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Well I have to say Paul's go to for "angry but can control it" being Orion is funny.

In the comics one of his motherbox's duties is basically keeping him on Prosac to stop him from going into homicidal rages.

So that's pretty much like vouching for Bruce Banner's anger management skills.

Not that there is any evidence that is the case in YJ, but it's still funny.
At the very least, it appears to be true in the Renegade timeline. Or at least Renegade used that fact to taunt the Forever People. Then the actual meeting between Orion and Renegade.
 
Well I have to say Paul's go to for "angry but can control it" being Orion is funny.

In the comics one of his motherbox's duties is basically keeping him on Prosac to stop him from going into homicidal rages.

So that's pretty much like vouching for Bruce Banner's anger management skills.

Not that there is any evidence that is the case in YJ, but it's still funny.

At the very least, it appears to be true in the Renegade timeline. Or at least Renegade used that fact to taunt the Forever People. Then the actual meeting between Orion and Renegade.

It was confirmed as true in canon.

When the Team, the League and some Green Lanterns visited New Genesis, Orion lost control of himself and was only calmed down by a Mother Box.
 
It was confirmed as true in canon.

When the Team, the League and some Green Lanterns visited New Genesis, Orion lost control of himself and was only calmed down by a Mother Box.

While true, that's the "post revival" seasons that Zoat is rather pointedly not using.
 
There are ways to eat a soul, incorporating its magical energy into the eater. Merely eating their flesh is a far less extreme and more common thing.
That only makes sense if she had said "what happens to people's souls after they get eaten" or something along those lines. Since she separates "the souls" from "the people" the phrasing makes it pretty clear that she is talking about two different things. And she clearly asks about what happens to souls and she also clearly mentions people getting eaten.

I guess one could quibble whether the souls are the people and whether that means that the people weren't eaten if their souls can still go anywhere, but that doesn't seem to fit cleanly either.
 
Well I have to say Paul's go to for "angry but can control it" being Orion is funny.

In the comics one of his motherbox's duties is basically keeping him on Prosac to stop him from going into homicidal rages.

So that's pretty much like vouching for Bruce Banner's anger management skills.

Not that there is any evidence that is the case in YJ, but it's still funny.
There is absolutely evidence of it being true in YJ, however it was Season 4 which Zoat hadn't seen last time someone asked.
 
Seems like Jade realized that if the slain world had even one survivor, they'd have a red ring candidate who'd be happy to collect Sinestro's head.

Good point.

I was wondering why Jade was interested in which world it was, but if there are any survivors then they may potentially be a candidate for a red ring.
 

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