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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Look, that's what it's called in my country. Take it up with DC.
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Checking the IMDB page for Batman Beyond, aka "Batman Tomorrow", "Batman of the Future" etc... Yep, he probably does.
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Now I'm wondering if he ring translates these sorts of Britishisms into the American version when he's talking to non-Brits
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Talia's personality didn't really come across in this update. To some extent that's understandable, seeing as how she's a very guarded person who is good at deception.
But still, I have no idea what Talia really thinks about things. She listened carefully to what OL said, made some agreeable noises, and sent him on his way. I suppose what I would really have liked to learn was how involved in the planning for any of this she was. Did Batman consult Talia on any of this? Did he at any point prior to actually pulling the trigger say, "I'm thinking of memory-wiping my agents for security and adding in some obedience programming."? Has she met the AI that Batman is using to run all of this? (And I don't mean Mr. Atom.)
Hmmm. Yeah, working this out as I type it, I've realized the AI is who OL probably most needs to talk to but hasn't. Brother Eye, or at least we presume that's the AI's name. Even when OL visited its satellite, it conspicuously didn't speak up. Batman did all the talking.
I'm still recalling how Anarky kidnapped Enginehead to examine him, which we never really found out why Lonnie wanted to do that. Was it because he knew about Brother Eye and wanted to examine a similar AI? It's seeming more and more likely to me.
Brother Eye is a free and independent being. He may have been programmed to want to help and support Batman like how Enginehead is programmed to help and support Lex Luthor, but that doesn't mean that they think and believe the same things. Under all the AI laws OL has been helping write, it's still an independent being. Everyone is focused on talking to Batman, but I think it would be reasonable to speak directly to the being actually running this army of memory-wiped supersoldiers.
But still, I have no idea what Talia really thinks about things. She listened carefully to what OL said, made some agreeable noises, and sent him on his way. I suppose what I would really have liked to learn was how involved in the planning for any of this she was. Did Batman consult Talia on any of this? Did he at any point prior to actually pulling the trigger say, "I'm thinking of memory-wiping my agents for security and adding in some obedience programming."? Has she met the AI that Batman is using to run all of this? (And I don't mean Mr. Atom.)
Hmmm. Yeah, working this out as I type it, I've realized the AI is who OL probably most needs to talk to but hasn't. Brother Eye, or at least we presume that's the AI's name. Even when OL visited its satellite, it conspicuously didn't speak up. Batman did all the talking.
I'm still recalling how Anarky kidnapped Enginehead to examine him, which we never really found out why Lonnie wanted to do that. Was it because he knew about Brother Eye and wanted to examine a similar AI? It's seeming more and more likely to me.
Brother Eye is a free and independent being. He may have been programmed to want to help and support Batman like how Enginehead is programmed to help and support Lex Luthor, but that doesn't mean that they think and believe the same things. Under all the AI laws OL has been helping write, it's still an independent being. Everyone is focused on talking to Batman, but I think it would be reasonable to speak directly to the being actually running this army of memory-wiped supersoldiers.
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On holiday isn't really a phrase on this side of the pond, we say "on vacation". You've had American characters say American phrases though and OL heard them as such so probably not? Like in most cases it's gonna be obvious in context but some things mean basically the opposite e.g. "quite lovely" so that could lead to some fun confusion.
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I have no idea where Talia al Ghul grew up, but I'm sure she can understand the meaning of the word 'holiday'.
@Lazelurker You know what you did.
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Makes sense. She's been around the world, so she must have heard the word at some point. Also, some versions of her are implied to be much, MUCH older than they look. Not as old as her father, but definitely older than 100-200 years old.
Also, out of curiosity, what kind of unholy atrocity has @Lazelurker commited that he had to be forsaken by God himself and declared the definite Antichrist?
Common Sense, part 13
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Common Sense, part 13
1st October 2010
19:34 GMT -5
"Recognized, Wonder Woman, Zero Three."
I look up from my notes as Diana walks into the Mountain's training area, and nod politely. "Sir. Are you here about my homework?"
"No. I wanted to make sure that you are alright."
I chuckle quietly. "Compared to what?"
"Vile as they were, you did just kill several people."
"I'm a decade older than you were when you killed another human for the first time."
She smiles thinly. "Twelve years older. But I had been raised to it. I had spent my childhood training my body, and sparring with my Amazon sisters. You worked in an office."
"I feel fine so far. Honestly, people asking if I'm okay is making me feel more awkward than killing them did." I focus on my… Plan outlines. "I guess that's the difference between the Amazons and the English."
"I am somewhat surprised that Batman was not… More agitated. I understand why you made the decision that you did, but he has always strove to avoid slaying even those who clearly deserve it."
"He probably is, but… Batman's an intelligent man. He knows intellectually that leaving the Joker alive is indefensible and hypocritical of him."
"'Hypocritical'?"
"Obviously." I glance her way, but her expression doesn't give me much to go on in assessing how she feels. "Oh, come on. 'Should the Justice League kill serial killers' is a common subject of internet debate. I'm sure that you've read some of the arguments once or twice."
"I'm interested in what you meant."
"Alright. When Bruce Wayne returned to Gotham, he could have joined the police service. Yes, it was corrupt, but James Gordon was starting at the same time, and they could have ended up working together. He could have tried to push reform through internally, using political contacts from outside of Gotham to twist arms… Or heck, gathered evidence of endemic corruption and passed it to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He could have stood for elected office. There were lawful paths for him to take in pursuit of his goals. Instead, he decided to become a vigilante. He decided that it was correct to ride roughshod over the law. Assault, trespass, theft, and that famous instance of stampeding a swarm of bats through central Gotham to escape the S.W.A.T. team… He decided that the best way to help the people of Gotham was ignoring normal due process."
"So then we've got the Joker. Repeat offender. Three figure kill count. Completely insane, with no prospect of rehabilitation. But suddenly he can only go to Arkham." I widen my eyes and droop the corners of my mouth. "Why? When did the law suddenly become important? Because following the law Batman shouldn't exist, and if we're concerned with what's right… How many people did the Joker need to kill?"
"Did Batman try and persuade you?"
"No. Batman's an intelligent man. He knew that if he actually asked 'why did you kill this serial killer while he was busy killing people' then he'd feel like an idiot, and he'd definitely look like one. And he knows that I know that, and that I wouldn't have done it without considering my defence, so… He didn't bother."
"What does he have you doing?"
"Public relations. I'm supposed to consider different possibilities for revealing what happened. And naturally, since people are going to want to know by tomorrow at the latest, I've got to do it now."
She nods, and walks around behind me so that she can see the screen. "What ideas do you have?"
"Well, there's lying. Telling people that the Injustice League headquarters exploded because of a chance hit on the power generation system that they were using to power their vines would probably be believable. People would believe it. Likely fallout: none, because no one is going to care about a group of self-identifying mass murdering supervillains. Potential fallout: mild, because while people could find out that we were lying, the only part they'll care about it that we lied. Then there's buck-passing. We could tell people that we provided the coordinates to the U.S. military and they carried out a missile strike that destroyed the area. Likely fallout: General Hardcastle gets a mild political boost and police are slightly more likely to use firepower against supervillains."
"Hardcastle?"
"Favours enforcing anti-vigilante laws, encouraging superhumans to join state or federal law enforcement agencies and using the military against high tier supervillains. I'm sympathetic with his general attitude, but he doesn't strike me as having the right character to actually oversee any of his proposals."
I exhale through my nose. "And one of the nice things about both options is that they allow the Justice League to get out of explaining why they sent literal children after serial killing supervillains."
Diana nods, her face hardening "Yes, several members of the League are not entirely happy with that decision."
"Good. And then there's my preferred option. I tell everyone exactly what I did, openly and honestly. I'm not a member of the Justice League and wasn't acting under League orders. If… Ice, say, had found the Injustice League base of operations and froze the whole place solid, there'd be no fallout. The Justice League doesn't have any responsibility for encouraging superheroes generally to comply with their rules of engagement."
"That isn't quite the case with you. Both Batman and I have particular responsibility for you, and recordings of your training sessions with Hal have been posted on superhero websites."
"Not legally, you don't. And unlike, say, Robin, I am not a child." I frown. "Did Lantern Jordan ever kill anyone while he was in the air force?"
"I don't believe so." She looks down for a moment. "And perhaps this is a good time to speak on the fact that you are not a child."
"I told you the moment I realised that you thought I was… What, fifteen? I assume that you left me here because it was convenient, and I haven't complained about it-."
"That was not what I meant. Children require closer supervision because they lack life experience. You were right when you said that you lacked knowledge of many areas of superhero life, and that is why you were left here. I would be far more concerned if you made the decision that you did if you were your apparent physical age. But… I feel that this emphasises that perhaps leaving you on the children's team was… Unwise."
"You don't have an adult training school."
"No, but Hal has volunteered to oversee your training full time."
I frown. "He can't. He's obliged to look after the whole Sector. I can't leave this system."
"I believe that he, John and Lantern Gardner have come to an agreement regarding that."
I…
Honestly, it's probably for the best. I'm on good terms with my team mates. Kon doesn't care about the age difference, other than to make a joke about me being slightly closer to the others in age than he is. The others…
Yes, ruthlessly killing a group of supervillains is going to create a rift there. And… I didn't even consider including them. Didn't bring it up… Probably undermined Kaldur quite a bit there.
Jordan and I aren't really friends. We're civil outside of training and professional when we're working, but that's about it. He's too… Aggressive for me, really. I don't know if that's a him thing or a Green Lantern thing… Lantern Stewart only took one lesson, and that was mostly on construct application.
I sigh, and close down the computer.
"I'll get my stuff. I don't suppose that Alan's an option instead, is he?"
1st October 2010
19:34 GMT -5
"Recognized, Wonder Woman, Zero Three."
I look up from my notes as Diana walks into the Mountain's training area, and nod politely. "Sir. Are you here about my homework?"
"No. I wanted to make sure that you are alright."
I chuckle quietly. "Compared to what?"
"Vile as they were, you did just kill several people."
"I'm a decade older than you were when you killed another human for the first time."
She smiles thinly. "Twelve years older. But I had been raised to it. I had spent my childhood training my body, and sparring with my Amazon sisters. You worked in an office."
"I feel fine so far. Honestly, people asking if I'm okay is making me feel more awkward than killing them did." I focus on my… Plan outlines. "I guess that's the difference between the Amazons and the English."
"I am somewhat surprised that Batman was not… More agitated. I understand why you made the decision that you did, but he has always strove to avoid slaying even those who clearly deserve it."
"He probably is, but… Batman's an intelligent man. He knows intellectually that leaving the Joker alive is indefensible and hypocritical of him."
"'Hypocritical'?"
"Obviously." I glance her way, but her expression doesn't give me much to go on in assessing how she feels. "Oh, come on. 'Should the Justice League kill serial killers' is a common subject of internet debate. I'm sure that you've read some of the arguments once or twice."
"I'm interested in what you meant."
"Alright. When Bruce Wayne returned to Gotham, he could have joined the police service. Yes, it was corrupt, but James Gordon was starting at the same time, and they could have ended up working together. He could have tried to push reform through internally, using political contacts from outside of Gotham to twist arms… Or heck, gathered evidence of endemic corruption and passed it to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. He could have stood for elected office. There were lawful paths for him to take in pursuit of his goals. Instead, he decided to become a vigilante. He decided that it was correct to ride roughshod over the law. Assault, trespass, theft, and that famous instance of stampeding a swarm of bats through central Gotham to escape the S.W.A.T. team… He decided that the best way to help the people of Gotham was ignoring normal due process."
"So then we've got the Joker. Repeat offender. Three figure kill count. Completely insane, with no prospect of rehabilitation. But suddenly he can only go to Arkham." I widen my eyes and droop the corners of my mouth. "Why? When did the law suddenly become important? Because following the law Batman shouldn't exist, and if we're concerned with what's right… How many people did the Joker need to kill?"
"Did Batman try and persuade you?"
"No. Batman's an intelligent man. He knew that if he actually asked 'why did you kill this serial killer while he was busy killing people' then he'd feel like an idiot, and he'd definitely look like one. And he knows that I know that, and that I wouldn't have done it without considering my defence, so… He didn't bother."
"What does he have you doing?"
"Public relations. I'm supposed to consider different possibilities for revealing what happened. And naturally, since people are going to want to know by tomorrow at the latest, I've got to do it now."
She nods, and walks around behind me so that she can see the screen. "What ideas do you have?"
"Well, there's lying. Telling people that the Injustice League headquarters exploded because of a chance hit on the power generation system that they were using to power their vines would probably be believable. People would believe it. Likely fallout: none, because no one is going to care about a group of self-identifying mass murdering supervillains. Potential fallout: mild, because while people could find out that we were lying, the only part they'll care about it that we lied. Then there's buck-passing. We could tell people that we provided the coordinates to the U.S. military and they carried out a missile strike that destroyed the area. Likely fallout: General Hardcastle gets a mild political boost and police are slightly more likely to use firepower against supervillains."
"Hardcastle?"
"Favours enforcing anti-vigilante laws, encouraging superhumans to join state or federal law enforcement agencies and using the military against high tier supervillains. I'm sympathetic with his general attitude, but he doesn't strike me as having the right character to actually oversee any of his proposals."
I exhale through my nose. "And one of the nice things about both options is that they allow the Justice League to get out of explaining why they sent literal children after serial killing supervillains."
Diana nods, her face hardening "Yes, several members of the League are not entirely happy with that decision."
"Good. And then there's my preferred option. I tell everyone exactly what I did, openly and honestly. I'm not a member of the Justice League and wasn't acting under League orders. If… Ice, say, had found the Injustice League base of operations and froze the whole place solid, there'd be no fallout. The Justice League doesn't have any responsibility for encouraging superheroes generally to comply with their rules of engagement."
"That isn't quite the case with you. Both Batman and I have particular responsibility for you, and recordings of your training sessions with Hal have been posted on superhero websites."
"Not legally, you don't. And unlike, say, Robin, I am not a child." I frown. "Did Lantern Jordan ever kill anyone while he was in the air force?"
"I don't believe so." She looks down for a moment. "And perhaps this is a good time to speak on the fact that you are not a child."
"I told you the moment I realised that you thought I was… What, fifteen? I assume that you left me here because it was convenient, and I haven't complained about it-."
"That was not what I meant. Children require closer supervision because they lack life experience. You were right when you said that you lacked knowledge of many areas of superhero life, and that is why you were left here. I would be far more concerned if you made the decision that you did if you were your apparent physical age. But… I feel that this emphasises that perhaps leaving you on the children's team was… Unwise."
"You don't have an adult training school."
"No, but Hal has volunteered to oversee your training full time."
I frown. "He can't. He's obliged to look after the whole Sector. I can't leave this system."
"I believe that he, John and Lantern Gardner have come to an agreement regarding that."
I…
Honestly, it's probably for the best. I'm on good terms with my team mates. Kon doesn't care about the age difference, other than to make a joke about me being slightly closer to the others in age than he is. The others…
Yes, ruthlessly killing a group of supervillains is going to create a rift there. And… I didn't even consider including them. Didn't bring it up… Probably undermined Kaldur quite a bit there.
Jordan and I aren't really friends. We're civil outside of training and professional when we're working, but that's about it. He's too… Aggressive for me, really. I don't know if that's a him thing or a Green Lantern thing… Lantern Stewart only took one lesson, and that was mostly on construct application.
I sigh, and close down the computer.
"I'll get my stuff. I don't suppose that Alan's an option instead, is he?"
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