With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Mr Zoat]

not that I know of, and what will happen to his son from Zod and Ursa, he was supposed to travel in time and stuff and Zod's army that were Kryptonian cafa that was in the phantom zone?

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[Frozen20XX]

I think Fluttershy runs a pet shop/grooming parlor, though I have read fanfics where she's a famous 'romance' writer under a pen name.

I'm pretty sure that Pinkie works in the Cake's bakery and was homeschooled.

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The pet shop was the job Human Fluttershy had. Though, in season seven, Pony Fluttershy opened up an open-space animal sanctuary, so she's presumably running that unless Renegade somehow butterfly effected that from happening.

Can confirm Pinkie has been shown working at the bakery.

 

[Ct613hulu]

I haven't watched series 4, and I probably won't. Is a reason given for the nice blond blue-eyed Lor-Zod being evil and black?

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The original timeline is that General Zod and his Krpytonian followers were only freed from the Phantom Zone in the 31st century. They were paroled and placed on Daxam (a planet with a red sun) but eventually escaped as part of a revolt against the United Planets. This revolt was foiled by the Legion of Superheroes and all the Kryptonians except for Lor-Zod (who was a child at the time) were sent to the Phantom Zone as punishment. Lor-Zod sought to use time travel to stop the Legion from ever forming by eliminating their inspiration (Superboy) and free his parents from the Phantom Zone in the past.

I though the different ethnicity for Lor-Zod was a subtle reference to the AU movie "Justice league: Gods and Monsters" which uses Dru-Zod having hispanic features as a major plot point.

 

[Mr Zoat]

The original timeline is that General Zod and his Krpytonian followers were only freed from the Phantom Zone in the 31st century. They were paroled and placed on Daxam (a planet with a red sun) but eventually escaped as part of a revolt against the United Planets. This revolt was foiled by the Legion of Superheroes and all the Kryptonians except for Lor-Zod (who was a child at the time) were sent to the Phantom Zone as punishment. Lor-Zod sought to use time travel to stop the Legion from ever forming by eliminating their inspiration (Superboy) and free his parents from the Phantom Zone in the past.

I though the different ethnicity for Lor-Zod was a subtle reference to the AU movie "Justice league: Gods and Monsters" which uses Dru-Zod having hispanic features as a major plot point.

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I'm not using any of that.

They should just have made a new character if they wanted to go that far off-base.

And it wasn't a plot point in Gods and Monsters. The fact that his adoptive parents were from Mexico was basically irrelevant. They could have come from any war zone and the story would be the same. No one had a problem with him because he looked like he might be Mexican.

The pet shop was the job Human Fluttershy had. Though, in season seven, Pony Fluttershy opened up an open-space animal sanctuary, so she's presumably running that unless Renegade somehow butterfly effected that from happening.

Can confirm Pinkie has been shown working at the bakery.

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Rainbow Dash got Tank from Fluttershy, and the other animals that took part in that contest also came from her home. She also groomed Rarity's cat.

 

[Ct613hulu]

And it wasn't a plot point in Gods and Monsters. The fact that his adoptive parents were from Mexico was basically irrelevant. They could have come from any war zone and the story would be the same. No one had a problem with him because he looked like he might be Mexican.

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I thought that it was pretty blatant that the differing relationship with the United States government and conventional sources of authority (pure patriotism and idealism vs challenging authority and cynical ruthlessness) was directly inspired by the differing experiences they had growing up (white cis male citizen in an idealized American heartland vs Hispanic illegal immigrant on the outskirts of society).

I am also basing much of my interpretation of the character on his mini-comic. It has trauma from racism towards Hispanics and the abuse from of life as an exploited illegal immigrant in the U.S shown as one of the reasons for this version of superman's anti-hero / villainous personality and ruthlessness.

We can't seem to share downloaded images so I am posting a direct link to the comic. Not sure if this is allowed by forum rules so I will remove the link if this is a problem.

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Justice-League-Gods-Monsters-Superman-I/Issue-2?id=138525#8

 

[Frozen20XX]

Rainbow Dash got Tank from Fluttershy, and the other animals that took part in that contest also came from her home. She also groomed Rarity's cat.

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Fair enough. For the former, I only recalled it being a one-of event. For the latter, I didn't remember ever seeing that episode, though I can buy her being a freelance pet groomer though. Has to earn money somehow.

 

[Zarthrax]

Is there any way to find just the Earth 12 snippets? I want to reread all of them, but my Google fu is failing me.

 

[Prince Charon]

I haven't watched series 4, and I probably won't. Is a reason given for the nice blond blue-eyed Lor-Zod being evil and black?

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Because the people in charge were idiots?

 

[Mr Zoat]

23rd July 2013
09:25 GMT

"I appreciate that it's only a palliative, but it should hold off the symptoms of the disease until you can come up with something better."

Aarden nods as he takes hold of it. "Thank you, Lantern, Arsenal. Without you, my people would be dead or dying."

Arsenal nods, looking away from the earnest New God slightly bashfully. "No problem. We don't exactly follow the Prime Directive."

Aarden look at him blankly, then shakes his head. "I have no idea what that is. Did you really violate your people's most fundamental laws to aid us? Are you an outcast now?"

"Ah, no, sorry. It's a-. Sorry."

Aarden moves his gaze from Roy to me in the hopes of an explanation.

"Few members of my species leave our homeworld. 'Prime Directive' is a reference to popular fiction, in which the United Federation of Planets has a very strict policy of not intervening in the cultures of non-members. We -on the other hand- are free to intervene as we like."

He nods. "For which we are all grateful. Are you the Lantern assigned to this Sector?"

"No, the Orange Lantern Corps does not currently have a Lantern assigned to this Sector."

"Then..?"

"Darkseid Anti-Lifed our homeworld. We-."

His face falls. "Then you have my deepest condolences."

"No, it's fine, we got rid of it, but it looks like someone is messing around with the abandoned New God technology-" He looks a little blank. "-and we wanted to check that you haven't had any disappearances."

He shakes his head. "I don't think so. I have been more worried about the dying than whether someone had vanished."

I nod. "Please check. And we should probably look around the area anyway, in case someone fell ill while they were out hunting."

He nods. "We sent people out, but by the time we realised how serious it was, we were all feeling the effects."

"And please remember that we've treated the symptoms. We haven't cured the underlying-" Roy realises something and reaches for his utility pouches. "-condition."

Roy pulls out a healing potion and holds it up. "Would this work?"

Huh. The alchemy involved doesn't just heal injuries, but encourages the proper function of the body through magic. New God are highly resistant to disease by default, so…

I shrug, looking at Aarden. "It's a healing potion. It was designed for my species, but the magic involved should work on yours perfectly well. It doesn't cure disease but it might boost your immune system to the point that you can overcome it yourself."

He nods. "What is the chance that you are mistaken?"

"I-." I frown. "Arsenal, as far as you know, has Canis ever used one of those?"

Roy shrugs. "I don't really spend much time with him. Hey, can this disease affect us?"

"Your armour's C.B.R.N. resistant and I've got an environmental shield. And since we're not New Gods, I should just be able to remove the disease from our bodies if we do get infected."

Aarden looks confused. "Why not use your ring on us?"

"Your metaphysical presence interferes with construct formation. There's probably some… Horrible torture device from your ancient history that would weaken your resilience to the point where I could, but I've got no idea what it would be called or where to find it."

Aarden shakes his head. "We don't torture people here. If you want that sort of machinery, you'd need to visit Supertown."

"Or Apokolips, presumably."

"The last time Apokolips attacked us, it was with an army of soldiers riding on dogs." I wince inwardly on Canis's behalf. "Before that, giant insectoid monsters. Their descendants still live here, though they've calmed down a lot. Neither are diseases. You are right when you say that we are resistant to them; Apokolips undoubtably has disease weapons, but I have never heard of them being used against New Gods."

I nod. "I have no records of other New Gods using our healing potions. It shouldn't cause an adverse reaction, but I can't promise that."

He nods, taking the vial from Roy. "Do you have more?"

"I have enough for twenty doses stored in subspace. Arsenal?"

"Five more."

Aarden nods, and downs the potion. He then blinks in surprise. "I was expecting it to taste worse."

Roy nods. "The guy who made it had a bad experience with bad-tasting medicine. He didn't want anyone associating him with that sort of flavor."

"I can understand his… Huh."

"Problem?"

"I can feel it innervating me. Our medicine works in the same way."

"Huh. Would you mind if I took some samples back? Kid Flash would love to analyse them."

"Of course! That's the least we can do! But I will warn you now: our plants seldom grow well on other worlds."

I nod. "I'll pass that on." I turn to Roy. "Arsenal, please join the search parties. And keep an eye on the people with you. We don't know how this disease responds to repeated purple healing ray exposure."

"You think we might be healing the disease?"

"It doesn't work like that with Earth diseases, but this infected New Gods. I don't know for certain. Keep an eye out."

He nods. "Right. What are you doing?"

I wave my hands, a construct laboratory bench appearing. "I'm going to be trying to analyse the disease directly. If it's on a database somewhere, then I can fabricate a cure. If not… Then I can send a message to Earth and see if anyone has a better idea."

He nods. "What about Supertown?"

We look at Aarden, who shifts uncomfortably. "I agree that they have no reason to use an artificial disease on us. But they are one of the few who could." He shakes his head. "I do not want to involve them until we have no choice."

"Then that's what we do."

 

[Darko]

healing potion and hold

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"holds"

 

[Vaermina]

So... What are the chances that the origin of this disease is Orange Lantern infecting Orion with the Butchers Blood?

 

[Darko]

So... What are the chances that the origin of this disease is Orange Lantern infecting Orion with the Butchers Blood?

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I'd say it's probably very low.

They're not acting like bloodthirsty berserkers, so the chances of them having the disease are low to non-existent.

 

[Ngamer11]

We look at Aarden, who shifts uncomfortably. "I agree that they have no reason to use a artificial disease on us. But they are one of the few who could." He shakes his head. "I do not want to involve them until we have no choice."

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That should say 'an'.

 

[Mr Zoat]

For the latter, I didn't remember ever seeing that episode, though I can buy her being a freelance pet groomer though. Has to earn money somehow.

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Stare Master.

Because the people in charge were idiots?

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No, them being idiots would imply that it was accidental.

I thought that it was pretty blatant that the differing relationship with the United States government and conventional sources of authority (pure patriotism and idealism vs challenging authority and cynical ruthlessness) was directly inspired by the differing experiences they had growing up (white cis male citizen in an idealized American heartland vs Hispanic illegal immigrant on the outskirts of society).

I am also basing much of my interpretation of the character on his mini-comic. It has trauma from racism towards Hispanics and the abuse from of life as an exploited illegal immigrant in the U.S shown as one of the reasons for this version of superman's anti-hero / villainous personality and ruthlessness.

We can't seem to share downloaded images so I am posting a direct link to the comic. Not sure if this is allowed by forum rules so I will remove the link if this is a problem.

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Justice-League-Gods-Monsters-Superman-I/Issue-2?id=138525#8

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I don't know if anyone's ever explained this to America, but you know that no one else thinks that 'Hispanics' are a thing, right? In Europe, we have Actual Spain, and we don't think of them as being a separate race.

It's also a little frustrating that SuperZod hasn't realised that if he took the two weeks it would take for him to end Mexican cartels, most Mexicans would happily stay in their now-safe country. Even locating and removing their paid for politicians wouldn't take him much more than a month.

Is there any way to find just the Earth 12 snippets? I want to reread all of them, but my Google fu is failing me.

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Google, settings, advanced search, search the Story Only thread for the phrase 'Earth 12'.

"holds"

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That should say 'an'.

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Thank you, corrected.

 

[BR549]

We look at Aarden, who shifts uncomfortably. "I agree that they have no reason to use an artificial disease on us. But they are one of the few who could." He shakes his head. "I do not want to involve them until we have no choice."

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To be entirely fair to Aarden, that's a completely rational viewpoint: you don't react to people, on a political basis at least, based on intent, you react to them based on capabilities.

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

23rd July 2013
09:25 GMT

"I appreciate that it's only a palliative, but it should hold off the symptoms of the disease until you can come up with something better."

Aarden nods as he takes hold of it. "Thank you, Lantern, Arsenal. Without you, my people would be dead or dying."

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Only forty minutes or so to treat everyone? That was quick, even with Purple Healing Rays. I guess they don't have a large population, even with children. And quite a few unusually distinct biomorphs, it seems. Rock shoulder-spikes? Crazy.

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Arsenal nods, looking away from the earnest New God slightly bashfully. "No problem. We don't exactly follow the Prime Directive."

Aarden look at him blankly, then shakes his head. "I have no idea what that is. Did you really violate your people's most fundamental laws to aid us? Are you an outcast now?"

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Roy really needs to learn, not everyone shares the same pool of pop cultural references.

"Ah, no, sorry. It's a-. Sorry."

Aarden moves his gaze from Roy to me in the hopes of an explanation.

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'So is he just an idiot, or is he making some sort of joke?' is a very reasonable thing to check.

"Few members of my species leave our homeworld. 'Prime Directive' is a reference to popular fiction, in which the United Federation of Planets has a very strict policy of not intervening in the cultures of non-members. We -on the other hand- are free to intervene as we like."

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And while it's mostly a good policy, there really needed to be exceptions for extenuating circumstances, or you get starship captains going maverick to protect pre-spaceflight populations from, say, killer diseases or natural disasters...

He nods. "For which we are all grateful. Are you the Lantern assigned to this Sector?"

"No, the Orange Lantern Corps does not currently have a Lantern assigned to this Sector."

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They're not exactly a policing agency, after all. No need to place roaming sheriffs when the Greenies manage that just fine.

"Then..?"

"Darkseid Anti-Lifed our homeworld. We-."

His face falls. "Then you have my deepest condolences."

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Earth isn't the first to cop a hit, of course...

"No, it's fine, we got rid of it, but it looks like someone is messing around with the abandoned New God technology-" He looks a little blank. "-and we wanted to check that you haven't had any disappearances."

He shakes his head. "I don't think so. I have been more worried about the dying than whether someone had vanished."

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...But we might have been the first to get rid of it that easily or quickly. As for the tech, I somehow doubt the Primitives would care for it much anyway.

I nod. "Please check. And we should probably look around the area anyway, in case someone fell ill while they were out hunting."

He nods. "We sent people out, but by the time we realised how serious it was, we were all feeling the effects."

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Which means you may be needing to send out rescue parties now for the rescue parties...

"And please remember that we've treated the symptoms. We haven't cured the underlying-" Roy realises something and reaches for his utility pouches. "-condition."

Roy pulls out a healing potion and holds it up. "Would this work?"

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...Huh, that might actually work. I doubt Wally's managed to make Panacea potions, but he might also be able to prepare something that reinforces the immune system beyond the basic healing.

Huh. The alchemy involved doesn't just heal injuries, but encourages the proper function of the body through magic. New God are highly resistant to disease by default, so…

I shrug, looking at Aarden. "It's a healing potion. It was designed for my species, but the magic involved should work on yours perfectly well. It doesn't cure disease but it might boost your immune system to the point that you can overcome it yourself."

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If anything, their mana-rich biology should make it even more effective. The question is how well this will work compared to their own.

He nods. "What is the chance that you are mistaken?"

"I-." I frown. "Arsenal, as far as you know, has Canis ever used one of those?"

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Eh, he probably toughs it out whenever he can in the name of Nietzschean self-improvement...

Roy shrugs. "I don't really spend much time with him. Hey, can this disease affect us?"

"Your armour's C.B.R.N. resistant and I've got an environmental shield. And since we're not New Gods, I should just be able to remove the disease from our bodies if we do get infected."

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Doesn't rule the possibility of it being spiritually-transmitted, though. I hope they're wearing spell-eaters under there.

Aarden looks confused. "Why not use your ring on us?"

"Your metaphysical presence interferes with construct formation. There's probably some… Horrible torture device from your ancient history that would weaken your resilience to the point where I could, but I've got no idea what it would be called or where to find it."

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And well, torture device. It would not be pleasant to use it or have it used on you, just to cure an illness.

Aarden shakes his head. "We don't torture people here. If you want that sort of machinery, you'd need to visit Supertown."

"Or Apokolips, presumably."

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I'd honestly be surprised if any device on Apokalips didn't include some kind of pain-inflicting aspect.

"The last time Apokolips attacked us, it was with an army of soldiers riding on dogs." I wince inwardly on Canis's behalf. "Before that, giant insectoid monsters. Their descendants still live here, though they've calmed down a lot. Neither are diseases. You are right when you say that we are resistant to them; Apokolips undoubtably has disease weapons, but I have never heard of them being used against New Gods."

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No doubt because they have immunisations against the sort of things that would get thrown at them.

I nod. "I have no records of other New Gods using our healing potions. It shouldn't cause an adverse reaction, but I can't promise that."

He nods, taking the vial from Roy. "Do you have more?"

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I doubt they have enough for everyone. There must be what, hundreds of Primitives in this tribe?

"I have enough for twenty doses stored in subspace. Arsenal?"

"Five more."

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I assume one vial is one dose. Easier to regulate usage.

Aarden nods, and downs the potion. He then blinks in surprise. "I was expecting it to taste worse."

Roy nods. "The guy who made it had a bad experience with bad-tasting medicine. He didn't want anyone associating him with that sort of flavor."

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The trick is making it nice enough to get down without gagging or gurning at the taste, but not so tasty you want to use it when it's not needed...

"I can understand his… Huh."

"Problem?"

"I can feel it innervating me. Our medicine works in the same way."

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The opposite of 'enervation', I take it. That is, he's getting filled with mystic energy instead of being deeply tired. So this is more like a divine energy drink with an immune-boosting effect?

"Huh. Would you mind if I took some samples back? Kid Flash would love to analyse them."

"Of course! That's the least we can do! But I will warn you now: our plants seldom grow well on other worlds."

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Thinner thaumospheres, no doubt. I wonder if Earth would be an exception due to the Life Entity?

I nod. "I'll pass that on." I turn to Roy. "Arsenal, please join the search parties. And keep an eye on the people with you. We don't know how this disease responds to repeated purple healing ray exposure."

"You think we might be healing the disease?"

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If it even is a disease and not something bacterial or microbial parasites or something exotic.

"It doesn't work like that with Earth diseases, but this infected New Gods. I don't know for certain. Keep an eye out."

He nods. "Right. What are you doing?"

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Science! Well, as best he can do it without a degree in medicine or microbiology. That's what the Ring AI is for.

I wave my hands, a construct laboratory bench appearing. "I'm going to be trying to analyse the disease directly. If it's on a database somewhere, then I can fabricate a cure. If not… Then I can send a message to Earth and see if anyone has a better idea."

He nods. "What about Supertown?"

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They're about due for a vocal check-in with Team S, aren't they?

We look at Aarden, who shifts uncomfortably. "I agree that they have no reason to use an artificial disease on us. But they are one of the few who could." He shakes his head. "I do not want to involve them until we have no choice."

"Then that's what we do."

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Understandable caution, but what if they're in danger of being affected next? Wouldn't it be neighbourly to let them know?

I find it amusing he bothered with the construct, but it's a good way to indicate 'Science in progress' to avoid interruptions. I wonder if contacting NEMO could also help identify or treat this thing. Not on-site, obviously, but conferring with the Controllers might shake some obscure detail loose from someone's eons-long memory.

 

[crazygrox]

But I will warn you now: our plants seldom grow well on other worlds

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Talk to euanthe the super dryad and Pamela isley?

I think they still have the ability to grow wood that burns demons. Idunno whether they ever went through with the plan to make all plants on earth burn demons though.

 

[Duke Long]

"I can feel it innervating me. Our medicine works in the same way."

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He's being filled with nerves?

I nod. "I'll pass that on." I turn to Roy. "Arsenal, please join the search parties. And keep an eye on the people with you. We don't know how this disease responds to repeated purple healing ray exposure."

"You think we might be healing the disease?"

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Or it could have adaptive properties.

I don't know if anyone's ever explained this to America, but you know that no one else thinks that 'Hispanics' are a thing, right? In Europe, we have Actual Spain, and we don't think of them as being a separate race.

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I do agree that a lot of 'Hispanic' people would really be considered white in Europe (of course, it would depend somewhat on which side of the Mediterranean they were born on), but don't at least some of them have indigenous American ancestry?

 

[CrazyNoVa]

Or it could have adaptive properties.

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Wait a minute. A self-evolving disease with adaptive properties?

Could it be the Hypertaxis virus?