With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Thundersmight94]

Aside from… A handful of germ lines which produced reliable and powerful abilities, most mutants ended up either having the gene edited out so they could benefit from the same things as everyone else, or they self-segregated on their own off-world colony." I shrug. "So if you really want to hurry that future along, I suggest focusing on human augmentation technology."

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Watch Trask will now go in the opposite direction and ends up making Generator Rex or Sari, as the future of humanity instead of mutants. Now we have nanites and Techno organic human hybrids instead.

Which ironically is one of the potential evolutionary directions for humanity, at which point they will merge with the Phallanx.

On another note, considering one of the most common powers developed for mutants is varying strengths of psychic/psionic powers, I'm suprised we haven't seen a future where humans are all telepathic.

 

[Dur'id the Druid]

I wanna say let's hope this ends Trask's moronic plans but we all know that this is still a comic universe, meaning we can not have nice things.

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I do hate how much Marvel plots rely on one person or group being utter donkeys. It's practically the red-shirt meme.

 

[WereDragon]

"So if you really want to hurry that future along, I suggest focusing on human augmentation technology."

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Would be very surprised if OL hasn't already started throwing the Captain America Serum about, much as Paul did the Danner Formula.

X-51

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Kinda implies X-23 was at least tried. Wonder if OL came across her yet.

 

[Lord Ernest]

That's just asking for Trask to get involved with the Reavers in whatever form they are and start working ahead of time on the Prime Sentinels as well.

Not to mention, aggresively looking into ways to supress or edit out the x-gene, forcefully rather than voluntarely. Which I won't deny some mutants with really disadvantegous mutations may need, but I've never seen guys like Trask or Stryker take the sensitive option.

 

[mastermenthe]

I do hate how much Marvel plots rely on one person or group being utter donkeys.

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It's so enraging because it brings Real Life into a fantastical setting.

 

[david15]

Kinda implies X-23 was at least tried

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defrent projects, X-51 is robot number 51 in a batch of robots

 

[Steelplaza]

If OL were to disable Aaron's implanted destructive device, not even remove it but just disable it, it's almost certain no one would notice. They might check the implant is still there, but chemically sampling the explosive material to make sure it hasn't been rendered inert... well that's just not in the budget. All he needs is some excuse to surround Aaron with an orange aura for a moment, like if say he was picking up Aaron to fly him somewhere.

 

[Mr Zoat]

"hear"
"three of us"

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'Trask'
'AIs'
'150 degrees'?

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Thank you, corrected.

Would be very surprised if OL hasn't already started throwing the Captain America Serum about, much as Paul did the Danner Formula.

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While he's seen Steven's body, he has no idea what the serum looked like or what 'vita rays' are.

Kinda implies X-23 was at least tried. Wonder if OL came across her yet.

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That's the problem with secret organisations all wanted to use the cool letters; you end up getting things with the same name and confusing everyone.

 

[The Unaligned Player]

While he's seen Steven's body, he has no idea what the serum looked like or what 'vita rays' are.

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Is he not also concerned with the whole 'Good = Great, Bad = Worse' effects?

 

[Someguy Somewhere]

U-men, Reavers, Children of Tomorrow....'The World'....um...what was the name for the nutters that wanted symbiotes as future cops in their nuclear bunker civilization?

I'm gonna say that poking this arse in a different direction might get you some rather horrible things all the same, fruit from a rotten tree.

As for 'hand out the Super Solider Formula' ideas....given that most attempts to recreate it by others lead to stuff like the Weapon X program, a few dozen knock off versions and a Lot of horrible ideas, just Having it as an option would not undercut others wanting it, and you'd get a similar arms race that OG Flash mentioned over in the Earth 16 timeline and the cold war. And that's not even taking into account the film version of 'makes good better, makes bad worse' side effect.

Don't THINK that this earth's version of Nick Fury has the Infinity Formula in him, so can't use that one.....the Heart Shaped Herb from Wakanda would have similar issues of copying Cap's stuff, with the added side effect of pissing off Black Panther.

Cost Benefit wise, genetic options are likely the easiest way to get reproducible super powers while just saying 'oh they're just mutants'....clones of existing characters, X-23 and Scarlett Spider are examples that worked out to....degrees of success, but have the lag time of growing up and all the usual clone problems.

Then you have the 'Iron Man from Temu' options of the Guardsmen, and other armor users which can handle Street Level thugs and in enough numbers could mob some of the low end villains. Works well enough for Hydra and AIM after all....At that point you start edging towards the world going 2099 early...with the Public Eye armed for bear with a Shield logo on it. And have to both budget accordingly and control access to the tech enough that you don't get it out there to common crooks.

I'm reminded of a comic after M-day in the early part of the Initiative, where Henry Gyrich was talking to War Machine, that since the mutants were gone most super people were Science based, and due to the economics of cutting edge stuff America had a huge lead in those.

That leads into the Magic side of the coin, but anything that works comes with a Cost. Vampires can get mass produced but have the very bad downsides, Marvel Werewolves are a little harder to spread iirc but fall under similar problems.....less said about Weindgo the better. Training mages takes too long and you'd need staff that would do it.

Comic Book Shield had enough Telepaths, mutant and otherwise, to have a PSI division, but I don't think this 'verse has quite that many running around, nor methods of producing them short of 'Stepford Cuckoos' option, so see cloning as above.

Honestly Marvel Earth Does already have a large active population of 'superhuman' people that is reproducable. They're the Atlantians...aside from the fish out of water problem they're actively better then most baseline humans physically, have higher tech and magical understanding.

Paul should be hounding Namor about as much as he did Orin in DC

 

[Vaermina]

Once he's out of earshot, Dr. Stack turns to me. "Was that..? True?"

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Surprisingly yes, it was true.

Marvel did a whole storyline about it with Mutants time traveling to try and counter it by destroying everything human that could lead to that future occurring.

 

[megamiaouh]

Or Deus Ex.

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It depends, one of the ultimate endings of Deus Ex, the final Helios ending is something between an A.I. driven hivemind and a direct democracy, where everybody is augmented with the kind of nano-machines that makes you basically ageless, along with all the other crazy shit you can find in game and they developed teleportation tech that means they can conquer the stars... Paul could like that future honestly.

In many ways it's the best ending, since no matter what someone will control humanity it's better that it be the 'holy spirit' Helios, along with the 'father' J.C. and the 'son/daughter' Alex. Since they're the only players who truly give a shit about people and give the common man a voice in decision making. Also if after 125 years there's still free will then either Helios can't or more likely won't take that away forcefully anyways, so the full hivemind experience is opt-in only.


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An argument could be made that the traditional Illuminati ending is better but I don't think being managed wage slaves, who work for Illuminati corporations, to buy Illuminati products who then pray on the weekend at the Illuminati church is better, especially since people then don't get free access to augments so as to be better controlled in that future. It's basically a softer Cyberpunk dystopia (but Paul would see it as a Boss Smiley future) but realistically it can only go downhill from there.

Sooner or later there will be another split in the Illuminati and the problems that started the whole story of Deus Ex will occur again or worse the older Illuminati die out and the newer generations don't have the trauma of the wars post Gray Death so they get shittier exploit people more and things degenerate to something similar to one of the worst ending anyways, either the Survivalist (extreme augmented hivemind turns the Earth into a wasteland to be the sole survivors) or Crusade (anti-augment radical church brings humanity back to the Medieval Ages) one.

Of course in a Marvel world Captain America or another big Super Hero would somehow foil the Illuminati and all its splinter organizations at the last minute and the technology to augment and control people would be conveniently lost and somehow never developed again in the same way, along the way Paul and J.C. would become superheroes themselves. The nice Status Quo ending, which let's be real would piss Paul off more than all the others outside of the truly bad endings, the Crusade one and the Survivalist one.

 

[Darko]

That's the problem with secret organisations all wanted to use the cool letters; you end up getting things with the same name and confusing everyone

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So it's like that scene in Reservoir Dogs where the mob boss tells the characters that he doesn't let his men choose their codename because everyone will want to call themselves Mr. Black.