With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Information era]

So is Jade!

By this point in the timeline, Purity had wanted out of the E88 for months. ThunderCats Paul loses 30 points.

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She fully left the E88 for months and has been acting as a super hero. Targeting black and asian criminals, but still.

 

[Darko]

easier I can

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'if I can'

his the only change

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remove his.

someone in a supervillain

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'is a'

 

[Bigking321]

Shiny mumma is a murderer.

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So clearly having a crazy super person go around and kill whoever he wants as judge, jury and executioner is the correct solution.

I'm not even necessarily in opposition to this but just killing everyone? Nah. We have trials for a reason.

 

[Whenever Possible]

No that isn't how it works. the super tumor just lets them control the super powers, without it the super power acts uncontrollably. Alabaster is unkillable, no matter what you do to his body. Secondly, the super tumor occurs in anyone with the possibility to trigger, which is somewhere like either 1/5 or 1/200 of the population, I forget which.

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If he's basing his super-tumor scan on what he saw from Tattletale's brain, then he's scanning for people with both the Pollentia and Gemma, rather than just the Pollentia.

 

[Ardy]

Ok How many times do I have to say this, none of the extent supervillains are murderers within the Brockton Bay. Murder is against the rules, and results in them getting sent to the birdcage. Purity is also CURRENTLY ACTING AS A SUPERHERO. Albeit not acting much differently than when she was a supervillain, Still being racist and targeting mostly black and asian criminals, but still.

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The hell are you talking about? Bitch is a murderer and no one cares, so is regent, so is Skitter, so is the entire ABB and Empire contingent. Murder of capes is frowned upon, but they tried to send Hookwolf to the Birdcage half a dozen times and he escapes, not because they're going easy on him, but because super powered neo nazis break him out.

 

[gustyeagle]

No that isn't how it works. the super tumor just lets them control the super powers, without it the super power acts uncontrollably. Alabaster is unkillable, no matter what you do to his body. Secondly, the super tumor occurs in anyone with the possibility to trigger, which is somewhere like either 1/5 or 1/200 of the population, I forget which.

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lol no he is actually really shit, if he take enough damage he dies. By world of god anyway, (From the worm wiki)

If his body received enough punishment to destroy him, if his corona faced complete destruction, or if his heart was torn out right as the loop began (which would shock the Corona Pollentia), his powers would be disrupted, and he would perish.[3]​

 

[lancelot]

I rise into the air, target Purity and then fire.

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I dislike this part here because it's nearly common knowledge online in canon that she quit the E88 and is trying not to be a black hat. Considering how much else he knew killing Purity is kind of fucked up.

Beyond that we have a Paul we've seen before, with what looks like a multi decade timeskip, and is near completely controlled by yellow fear. This at least explains the pants on head retarded idiot ball decision to NOT give him a Gold (green) power ring. Even if it still makes no sense IC.

 

[Information era]

People without powers only get one tumor. People with powers have the second one activate.

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During the trigger event, Corona gets a spurt of development. It is a partial reason for people blacking out. Corona expands slightly, veins swell.[7]​ Although it is still hard to distinguish a small but active Corona from bigger but inactive.

Non triggered people have both, the difference is a slight size difference. Which brings into question how he noticed that powered people have a portion of the brain which is slightly enlarged.

 

[Darth.Bill]

Okay, so this is the Thundercatz Yellow Lantern. How'd he get in Worm? Did he cross universes, or was he always in a crossover universe?

 

[hance1986]

Whatever on Purity. She's a waffler with too much power to be a sometimes hero.

 

[Whenever Possible]

I dislike this part here because it's nearly common knowledge online in canon that she quit the E88 and is trying not to be a black hat. Considering how much else he knew killing Purity is kind of fucked up.

Beyond that we have a Paul we've seen before, with what looks like a multi decade timeskip, and is near completely controlled by yellow fear. This at least explains the pants on head retarded idiot ball decision to NOT give him a Gold (green) power ring. Even if it still makes no sense IC.

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Protector Paul has presumably spent decades as Judge, Jury, and Executioner of his settlement/kingdom on Thundera. Not saying I agree with him. But having what amounts to de facto supreme executive authority for an extended period of time changes a person's default behaviors.

 

[Information era]

If he's basing his super-tumor scan on what he saw from Tattletale's brain, then he's scanning for people with both the Pollentia and Gemma, rather than just the Pollentia.

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The Gemma is a part of the Pollentia. The difference between triggered and untriggered is a slight size difference.

 

[Bloodalchemy]

Protector Paul has presumably spent decades as Judge, Jury, and Executioner of his settlement/kingdom on Thundera. Not saying I agree with him. But having what amounts to de facto supreme executive authority for an extended period of time changes a person's default behaviors.

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But a watery tart didnt throw a sword at him.

 

[Whenever Possible]

The Gemma is a part of the Pollentia. The difference between triggered and untriggered is a slight size difference.

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But it is a noticeable size difference and accompanied by measurable, abnormal brain activity, at least to a power ring scan.

 

[FourthPear]

Can we have an entire arc of just this? Cuz' this is giving me a euphoric high I once believed only intercourse and/or certain psychedelic substances could provide.

 

[Greydragon]

No that isn't how it works. the super tumor just lets them control the super powers, without it the super power acts uncontrollably. Alabaster is unkillable, no matter what you do to his body. Secondly, the super tumor occurs in anyone with the possibility to trigger, which is somewhere like either 1/5 or 1/200 of the population, I forget which.

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Alabaster is merely hard to kill. Wildbow states that any large enough and or destructive event would kill him, as long as it is instantaneous. Hit him with one of Bakuda's glass transmutation bombs for example and he's dead.

Also there are two parts to the tumour; the Corrona Pollentia and the Gemma. People at risk of triggering have the Corrona, marking them as targets being stalked by a shard. They have both when they gain powers, the Gemma growing during the trigger event.

 

[Information era]

My point stands. Alabaster is unkillable unless you directly destroy his shard. None of the supervillains in Brockton Bay are murderers. Yet.

Edit: if you destroy his corona at the precise right time, it kills him. Otherwise he still resets.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Mr. Zoat are the Lanterns who are going to show up just the basic seven colors with the possibility of black?

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Probably.

Or other versions of Paul without power rings as well?

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There might be a white one.

Also are these snippets another case of Paragon-Paul having visions of his alternate selves similar to how Ambush Bug tried removing his from Canon? Or just an Else-World/What If? episode?

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No.

 

[NeoDarklight]

I'm just curious how he intends to handle Butcher.

 

[Darko]

The hell are you talking about? Bitch is a murderer and no one cares, so is regent, so is Skitter, so is the entire ABB and Empire contingent. Murder of capes is frowned upon, but they tried to send Hookwolf to the Birdcage half a dozen times and he escapes, not because they're going easy on him, but because super powered neo nazis break him out.

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The belief that parahuman criminals haven't committed murders while living in a city as crime infested as Brockton Bay is frankly just hilarious.

They may not have killed capes, but civilians are another matter

A majority of criminal groups tend to use murder to get rid of their enemies, like a rivals goons, or to keep discipline in their ranks, by killing those that don't follow said discipline.

Beyond that we have a Paul we've seen before, with what looks like a multi decade timeskip, and is near completely controlled by yellow fear. This at least explains the pants on head retarded idiot ball decision to NOT give him a Gold (green) power ring. Even if it still makes no sense IC.

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This version has enlightenment, which basically means that he can't be controlled and driven crazy by his respective light.

The fact that he also didn't want a new ring, or that his ring hasn't been torturing him like with Anti Green, also plays a part in him not wanting one.

I'm just curious how he intends to handle Butcher.

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Lock him up in a prison that is impossible to escape from.

Spades163 wrote several snippets titled The Artificier where the MC locks Butcher in a crystal prison

 

[Ganurath]

CITATION!

"And in the process, you're doing little to shake the notion that you're a part of Empire Eighty-Eight," Max smiled, "It's amusing to hear you try and justify your perspective, but you're ignoring the elephant in the room. Cut the B.S. and tell me you don't feel something different when you look at a black face, compared to when you look at a white one."

Kayden didn't have an answer to that. It was his fault, really. The high school baseball player she'd had a crush on when she'd been in middle school had wound up being the same person that first approached her when she started going out in costume. Blinded by his good looks and his way with words, she'd been swayed, convinced of his way of thinking. She'd tried to change her outlook since the divorce, but she had seen a great deal in her ten years as a member of his team. It was impossible to look at the city now and ignore the fact that too much of what made it an uglier place to live and raise a child in could be traced back to the same kinds of people. Sure, the whites had criminals too, but at least they were fucking civilized about it.

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Purity can rest well knowing that her killer was, by her logic, fucking civilized about it.

 

[SotF]

I'm just curious how he intends to handle Butcher.

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The easy way would be toss into deep space, cutting the shard connection to the host by doing so, death would follow...

Of course, given the ring, it's probable that he couldn't be forced to trigger and become a Butcher...and I'm not even sure if the Butcher can become a non-parahuman in the first place.

 

[Information era]

The hell are you talking about? Bitch is a murderer and no one cares, so is regent, so is Skitter, so is the entire ABB and Empire contingent. Murder of capes is frowned upon, but they tried to send Hookwolf to the Birdcage half a dozen times and he escapes, not because they're going easy on him, but because super powered neo nazis break him out.

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You are counting an uncontrolled use of power upon first triggering and being forced to kill someone by a high tier mind controller as murder. Skitter also isn't a murderer yet.

Hookwolf commited 1 murder (lethal prizefights aside) and they tried to send him to the birdcage multiple times.

 

[gustyeagle]

I dislike this part here because it's nearly common knowledge online in canon that she quit the E88 and is trying not to be a black hat. Considering how much else he knew killing Purity is kind of fucked up.

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Technically that's true, but it's really more like she doesn't do what Kaiser said some of the time. She targets the enemies of the Empire and later rejoins them. I'm not saying your wrong about the common knowledge, but Skitter thinks that she is with the Empire during the truce for Bakuda.

My point stands. Alabaster is unkillable unless you directly destroy his shard. None of the supervillains in Brockton Bay are murderers. Yet.

Edit: if you destroy his corona at the precise right time, it kills him. Otherwise he still resets.

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His weaknesses are destroying his Corona Pollentia (he isn't any tougher than a normal human) at any time or if you 'shock his Corona Pollentia' witch you can do by removing his heart at the beginning of his loop. He is nowhere near unkillable.

 

[Mr Zoat]

'if I can'
remove his.
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Thank you, corrected.

Can we have an entire arc of just this? Cuz' this is giving me a euphoric high I once believed only intercourse and/or certain psychedelic substances could provide.

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I'd have to read Worm to do that.

 

[Doccer]

No that isn't how it works. the super tumor just lets them control the super powers, without it the super power acts uncontrollably. Alabaster is unkillable, no matter what you do to his body. Secondly, the super tumor occurs in anyone with the possibility to trigger, which is somewhere like either 1/5 or 1/200 of the population, I forget which.

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I thought if you time it right and did damage at the exact point of reset then damage is permanent. Or at least his death is.

 

[Darko]

You are counting an uncontrolled use of power upon first triggering and being forced to kill someone by a high tier mind controller as murder. Skitter also isn't a murderer yet.

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And you're discounting the fact that if someone spent several years in a violent criminal group then they would have most likely committed at least one murder that wasn't accidental when you said that none of the parahumans in Brockton Bay are murderers.

Considering that Lung was willing to burn several people alive that tells me that none of them being murderers is a frankly hilarious belief.

 

[Doccer]

Technically that's true, but it's really more like she doesn't do what Kaiser said some of the time. She targets the enemies of the Empire and later rejoins them. I'm not saying your wrong about the common knowledge, but Skitter thinks that she is with the Empire during the truce for Bakuda.

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I haven't read the story.

I thought that she did break away but she was so influenced by the Nazi rhetoric that she couldn't really help herself. Plus you know Kaiser threatening to take her kid away and her attacking E88 might spark him to do exactly that.

 

[Information era]

And you're discounting the fact that if someone spent several years in a violent criminal group then they would have most likely committed at least one murder that wasn't accidental when you said that none of the parahumans in Brockton Bay are murderers.

Considering that Lung was willing to burn several people alive that tells me that none of them being murderers is a frankly hilarious belief.

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Using lethal force on anyone is breaking the rules. Lung was attempting to get around it by having his goons do the murder.

Not killing civilians is the first, third, and fourth of the unwritten rules.

 

[SotF]

I haven't read the story.

I thought that she did break away but she was so influenced by the Nazi rhetoric that she couldn't really help herself. Plus you know Kaiser threatening to take her kid away and her attacking E88 might spark him to do exactly that.

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Not to mention that it would put her up against people she knew.

Even if you might think they're doing the wrong thing, most people aren't going to want to get into a fight with people they called a friend and who trusted them.

Purity basically ignoring the E88 unless they're actively doing something in front of her is an easy way for her to still be trying to be a hero while not being willing to turn in or go against those that used to be teammates.