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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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BlueMangoAdea said:
I forgot the exact cosmological model here, but wasn't Big Bang everywhere? I guess Mageddon might have just eaten everything in its observable universe.
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It was, the light from the alpha event (aka the Big Bang) reached where Mageddon is, because it reached everywhere. It's just no more light has reached this location since that time, which means it's so far out that no stars are visible from there.

This doesn't really make sense but thats comics for you.
 
BlueMangoAdea said:
I forgot the exact cosmological model here, but wasn't Big Bang everywhere? I guess Mageddon might have just eaten everything in its observable universe.
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Not Necessarily In Earth-16 the DC Universe(s), given Krona mucked about with the thing.

But even leaving him aside, the Big Bang was everywhere. That doesn't give you light, at this point; that gives you the cosmic background radiation. Stars give you light, and Mageddon is far enough out that even with, presumably, stars forming at a regular rate throughout the universe*, he's still so far out that none of their light has reached him.

That's a long, long, LONG ways out.



* Remember that the DC Universe is, presumably, a statically-sized one, not an expanding one, given it's bounded by the Source Wall. Although I suppose the Source Wall itself could be getting bigger too...

(And even if we lowball the size of the DC Universe compared to our own, it is also pants-wettingly terrifying that the Source Wall, which bounds it, is completely filled with the trapped cosmic forms of the universe's worst of the worst who thought 'eh, I can take it'.)
 
BR549 said:
Not Necessarily In Earth-16 the DC Universe(s), given Krona mucked about with the thing.

But even leaving him aside, the Big Bang was everywhere. That doesn't give you light, at this point; that gives you the cosmic background radiation. Stars give you light, and Mageddon is far enough out that even with, presumably, stars forming at a regular rate throughout the universe*, he's still so far out that none of their light has reached him.

That's a long, long, LONG ways out.



* Remember that the DC Universe is, presumably, a statically-sized one, not an expanding one, given it's bounded by the Source Wall. Although I suppose the Source Wall itself could be getting bigger too...

(And even if we lowball the size of the DC Universe compared to our own, it is also pants-wettingly terrifying that the Source Wall, which bounds it, is completely filled with the trapped cosmic forms of the universe's worst of the worst who thought 'eh, I can take it'.)
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In this particular fanfic Universe 16 only has about 7 galaxies if I am remembering things right. I wonder if Paul ever mentioned the difference in size between his home universe and universe 16 to anyone.
 
Jankl said:
In this particular fanfic Universe 16 only has about 7 galaxies if I am remembering things right. I wonder if Paul ever mentioned the difference in size between his home universe and universe 16 to anyone.
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The Malthusians at least understand how much smaller their universe is compared to what it could have been.

I've got to say, the "only seven galaxies because Krona fucked it up" thing has really grown on me. Zoat, if that was your original idea, it's the best explanation I've ever seen for why exactly everyone was so mad at Krona and why what he did was such a terrible crime.
 
Steelplaza said:
I've got to say, the "only seven galaxies because Krona fucked it up" thing has really grown on me. Zoat, if that was your original idea, it's the best explanation I've ever seen for why exactly everyone was so mad at Krona and why what he did was such a terrible crime.
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It's not entirely original. It was mostly due to me misreading something from Arena, where one of the alternate Hal Jordans mentions being the only Green Lantern and being responsible for seven galaxies.
 
Mr Zoat said:
"I'd like to introduce Mageddon, the most dangerous physical object that exists in this universe."
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Mr Zoat said:
That's just what every telepath who's ever been exposed to it and everyone who's ever been infected by its spores starts screaming.
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Obviously Morrison was riffing off the word Armageddon, but the word "armageddon" itself comes from a reference to Megiddo, an ancient city inhabited as far back as the bronze age. Megiddo happened to be perfectly situated in a location along an important ancient trade route that resulted in it being-

Okay, what I'm about to say is unprovable because who could know, but that it could be true is enough.

...resulted in it being the spot where the most battles have occurred in all of human history, with the earliest we know of dating back to the 15th century BCE and the most recent happening during World War I.

I just wanted to note that because it adds to the vibe, that this fictional monster is sort of named after what just might be the most continually fought over location in human history, our own species' shrine to warfare itself. I think that's neat!
 
Mr Zoat said:
"We-" I shake my head. "-don't know."
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is this an Earth royal 'we,' or an intergalactic royal 'we?" it seems like OL should be able to draw on the knowledge of the Controllers via ring, so is he just not at this moment or do the Controllers have such limited information? kind of hard to believe they haven't studied and come to many conclusions millions of years past.
 
BartlettMagic said:
is this an Earth royal 'we,' or an intergalactic royal 'we?" it seems like OL should be able to draw on the knowledge of the Controllers via ring, so is he just not at this moment or do the Controllers have such limited information? kind of hard to believe they haven't studied and come to many conclusions millions of years past.
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Oh, they've tried studying it. The people of Wonderworld dealt with it last time it was active, but there wasn't anyone alive who could explain how it came to be. While a few Maltusians did spend some time trying to work out what was going on, most of them thought that was unwise given how infectious it appeared to be.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Oh, they've tried studying it. The people of Wonderworld dealt with it last time it was active, but there wasn't anyone alive who could explain how it came to be. While a few Maltusians did spend some time trying to work out what was going on, most of them thought that was unwise given how infectious it appeared to be.
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A rare moment where Krona did not stick his hand into the fire to see what happens.
 
RoninSword said:
That should already be happening. Constantine went on a synchronize walk to find people he could dump Order and Chaos on.
This is the first we've seen them in Paragons timeline.
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Maybe Constantine found them, took one look at them, and said "Nope!".

If he wants to dump Order and Chaos, they totally can't handle it. And the last thing he wants to do is play superhero mentor to a couple of kids eager to dress in bright costumes and punch bad guys.
 
Ngamer11 said:
Now that we have a partial list, I'm curious as to who exactly are being trained right now. From what was said previously and here, I got the following: Argent, Face, Toyman, La'gaan, Risk, Slager, Hawk, Dove, and Timothy Hunter.

Edit: I just remembered Slager, better known to Teen Titans fans as Hot Spot, was previously seen as a member of the Alliance of the Just. How many of its members are now here receiving training from the Team?
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Darn, no Aurakos? I guess the grundygod is still receiving treatment from Orange-marked Melmoth. Or she's an adult, so she has no reason to travel from the fey land to Earth. Aurakos' power to force "fair" fights was neat.

That's a lot of boys then. Have fun, Argent. I guess Wally's magnetic friend isn't ready for heroics in the Paragon timeline? Other young women... Claire (flamethrowing-metahuman who is friends with Lynne via school) in the Renegade timeline was resisting recruitment attempts by the USA's military and darker groups. I wonder if she survived in the Paragon timeline? She is too young to be one of the Bat-OMACs, the League only let adults soul-bleach themselves. Other girls... I'm not sure when we would have seen Aquagirl since the Fear Thing plot. I suppose Atlantis has enough work to keep her busy. Honestly, the Paragon timeline's undersea cities were probably hit hard by Anti-Life. Probably gonna be some interesting political and cultural changes from it eventually. But Atlantis recovered to some extent because of the Arion-pretender... so they might be lending support to the other cities.

Other young heroines... No martian girls? No signs of the Reach yet? None of the recovered members of the Alliance of the Just? Ah, that last group, they were adults so they wouldn't join the Team.
 
Was going back to reread a few arcs from last year. OL went on a massive multi-arc investigation to determine how Batman had gained access to New God technology, and if Batman has somehow become a New God himself to be able to use this technology. He scoured Earth, uncovered Sleaze, and then paid a visit to New Genesis to interrogate Highfather. His conclusion was:

PAUL: I couldn't figure it out.

OL didn't learn where Batman got that throne that lets him control OMACs. OL did not even confirm if Batman himself has somehow become a New God, or found some other way to use their technology. He thwarted some evil along the way so it wasn't a waste of time or anything, but in terms of the investigation he came up completely dry and eventually moved on to other things.

I mean, I guess that's fine and we'll come back to it later. I wonder, though, if Robin has given up. Dick Grayson was always more like Bruce than his jokey attitude lets on. Has Richard really let the whole thing go for the last... (checks dates) couple of months in-world? Or has he been continuing to push on his own? After all, Dick has advantages that OL does not in terms of access to Batman and his secrets.

Worth wondering about.
 
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