Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

[Talon Tiger Dino]

The Sacrament theme isn't about unmaking for knowledge but in understanding knowledge that is mutable.

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Sir it completely annihilates the body you are conversing with.

 

[Shaper47]

Sir it completely annihilates the body you are conversing with.

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So does Grail but that doesn't mean that every following use of Grail involves eating somepony.

So does Winter but that doesn't mean protecting our mind suddenly involves randomly killing somepony.

It's a stretch to apply Sacrament requirements to all following uses of the lore.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

So does Grail but that doesn't mean that every following use of Grail involves eating somepony.

So does Winter but that doesn't mean protecting our mind suddenly involves randomly killing somepony.

It's a stretch to apply Sacrament requirements to all following uses of the lore.

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But you are talking about how our Personal Sacrament would directly help with understanding things. If your argument is now that any Sacrament is good enough to deepen one's understanding of that Sacrament's Lore, then we can use Baldomare's Sacrament just as well. After all, not every following use of Lantern will involve learning foreign languages.

 

[Nevermort]

So does Grail but that doesn't mean that every following use of Grail involves eating somepony.

So does Winter but that doesn't mean protecting our mind suddenly involves randomly killing somepony.

It's a stretch to apply Sacrament requirements to all following uses of the lore.

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There is no way that personal sacrament somehow necessary for befriending Baldomare.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Anyways, to get back to the main vote: fuck it, we ball, six actions let's go which AotL should we go for?

 

[Alan975]

There is no way that personal sacrament somehow necessary for befriending Baldomare.

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ut you are talking about how our Personal Sacrament would directly help with understanding things.

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It's Lantern, more light means more knowhow.

then we can use Baldomare's Sacrament just as well.

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Right on I think, though I do like the vibe of the personal sac-ing.

 

[Shaper47]

Baldomare's Sacrament would probably help just because of Velvet now having level 5 lantern. But not as much as personal.

There is no way that personal sacrament somehow necessary for befriending Baldomare.

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I never said it was necessary I said it could help.

Massive difference.

We could befriended her without it I just suspect it would be harder.

 

[Alan975]

which AotL should we go for?

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Knock obviously

 

[Shaper47]

Anyways, to get back to the main vote: fuck it, we ball, six actions let's go which AotL should we go for?

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Knock obviously

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Sacraments don't apply application tests.

I'd say Secret Histories or Grail.

Lantern is too confining on leftover AP.

Secret Histories would be useful for our mansus action.

Grail could be used on Cadence and friends for extra Grail bombing.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Knock obviously

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We were told by the QM that Knock would not be useful. Because if it was, the Knock Name would already have handled it.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Sacraments don't apply application tests.

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Depends on if the Sacrament functions as an expedition or not.

I still think Lantern might be the right call here, since wherever we are being sent to has access to the Key, the trick will be in finding it and recognizing it. If it is the Frangiclave it cannot be locked up or walked in, which leaves putting it somewhere out of the way and hiding it from view as your options. Or surrounding it with death traps I suppose.

 

[Shaper47]

Depends on if the Sacrament functions as an expedition or not.

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True but I'm pretty sure the QM directly stated that AotL's would not be useful on the Foggy Mirror when it came up earlier.

 

[Alan975]

We were told by the QM that Knock would not be useful. Because if it was, the Knock Name would already have handled it.

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It would be funny, trust me.

I'd say Secret Histories or Grail.

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I could go for Grail

 

[Nevermort]

Baldomare's Sacrament would probably help just because of Velvet now having level 5 lantern. But not as much as personal.
I never said it was necessary I said it could help.

Massive difference.

We could befriended her without it I just suspect it would be harder.

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Baldomare bleeds knowledge. Becoming knowledge vampire would allow us what? Understand process of bleeding better? How it helps ? Baldomare can do anything that we can do, personal sacrament or not. If there is method to help her she will know it and will tell us when we give her lvl 7 book, or she will tell us that there is nothing we can do short of reaching the Glory. We would not discover some easy method to help her on our own.

 

[Alan975]

Baldomare bleeds knowledge. Becoming knowledge vampire would allow us what?

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As much as I don't think it would work that way, I now dearly want it to.

 

[Shaper47]

I could go for Grail

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Rolling with a 99 bonus would be fun.

If only we had that when the 150 DC to getting into Fluttershy's heart came up.

Baldomare can do anything that we can do, personal sacrament or not. If there is method to help her she will know it a

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Baldomare doesn't have the will that Velvet has. She's given up, bah not enough heart in her.

It could be that the method involves pain for instance. Baldomare just doesn't want to suffer anymore while Velvet has been willing to suffer greatly for a close friend.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Maybe we should AotL Heart in case something tries to hurt us again. Because while DoA doesn't think we'd be in any danger, she also doesn't know her Key is in the area she is sending us to, and I would not be surprised if the defenses of a powerful key involved inflicting wounds. Knock has a thing for wounds, after all.

 

[AuthorTransient]

Alright, let's try and separate every issue. Things we can do this turn, things from our follower phase, and future things.

Personal Power	Forge Redemption Personal SH Sacrament (requirements not met) Moth Sacrament
Family	Fleeting Opportunity Family (will have negative effects if not taken) Teach Selene
Friends	Fleeting Opportunity
Name Befriending	Knock Sacrament Scrying for level 7 book for Baldomare
Daybreaker	(possibly Memory of Light) Upcoming Selene's Soothe the Night Upcoming social action with Midday Dew
Windy Flakes	Scrying for Windy Flakes
Glory	Mansus Summit

We currently have 7 personal actions, 1 free Mansus, 1 free social, and SH and Grail influences.
1 action for Forge Redemption
1 action for Teaching Selene
1 action for Family FO (Grail bonus)
1 social for friends FO (Grail bonus)
1 Mansus for Summit (SH bonus)

That leaves us with 4 personal actions. I wanna say 1 action for the Forge reagent, then 3 actions on the Knock Sacrament. That's Graymere's plan. Ok.

 

[Talon Tiger Dino]

Alright, let's try and separate every issue. Things we can do this turn, things from our follower phase, and future things.

Personal Power	Forge Redemption Personal SH Sacrament (requirements not met) Moth Sacrament
Family	Fleeting Opportunity Family (will have negative effects if not taken) Teach Selene
Friends	Fleeting Opportunity
Name Befriending	Knock Sacrament Scrying for level 7 book for Baldomare
Daybreaker	(possibly Memory of Light) Upcoming Selene's Soothe the Night Upcoming social action with Midday Dew
Windy Flakes	Scrying for Windy Flakes
Glory	Mansus Summit

We currently have 7 personal actions, 1 free Mansus, 1 free social, and SH and Grail influences.
1 action for Forge Redemption
1 action for Teaching Selene
1 action for Family FO (Grail bonus)
1 social for friends FO (Grail bonus)
1 Mansus for Summit (SH bonus)

That leaves us with 4 personal actions. I wanna say 1 action for the Forge reagent, then 3 actions on the Knock Sacrament. That's Graymere's plan. Ok.

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First Reagent in a turn is a Free Action.

 

[spiderhellian]

I'd say Secret Histories or Grail.

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It does seem silly to boost the lores we've already boosted tons.

But maybe it's also silly to try to guess a lore for the Sacrament and we should just use it on something we know we'll get value out of…

 

[Shaper47]

We currently have 7 personal actions, 1 free Mansus, 1 free social, and SH and Grail influences.
1 action for Forge Redemption
1 action for Teaching Selene
1 action for Family FO (Grail bonus)
1 social for friends FO (Grail bonus)
1 Mansus for Summit (SH bonus)

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Personal SH Sacrament should be done while we have an SH influence.

Mansus for Summit is unknown for lore requirements.

 

[Cochimetl]

Why on earth would more Lantern help with Baldomare? It's either a mental problem, in which case more Winter helps, or it's a physical problem, in which case more Heart helps. Or it might need a beefed up version of Forge's Redemption or Incision of the Heart, neither of which uses Lantern.

 

[Alan975]

Why on earth would more Lantern help with Baldomare?

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The gifting of a lv 7 book is not guarantied total understanding. Based on the wording it's both the first step of helping her and the next step of befriending her. Having more of the learing magic might help us figure out more about the wound.

 

[Solace2117]

[] Plan Taking a Chance
-[] (AotL) Lantern
-[] (Forge) Forge 3 reagent
-[] (Knock) Explore the Summit
-[] (Winter) Summon a Risen
-[] FO Family
-[] (Social) FO Friends
-[] Personal SH Sacrament x2
-[] DOA Sacrament x4

Said I would create this, so I did. I think it might be worth it to take the risk. Tempted to explore the Shattered Stairway to potentially meet another Name, but probably need to focus on the next step to Glory. Honestly tempted to just go for Plan KISS and see how many actions we have left over though.

 

[Greymere]

EDIT: thought this was referring to an artifact we had in our possession, but I see we only have a Moth 3 artifact. Unfortunate. We'd need to scry or start scouring Equestria for expeditions if we want a Moth 4 artifact.

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Better yet, find a Moth 6 artifact!

Since the Moth 7 artifact is a little busy being a pile of dust.

It'd also be useful for All In, considering the lack of a Moth Name to bring with.

Maybe we should AotL Heart in case something tries to hurt us again. Because while DoA doesn't think we'd be in any danger, she also doesn't know her Key is in the area she is sending us to, and I would not be surprised if the defenses of a powerful key involved inflicting wounds. Knock has a thing for wounds, after all.

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Its also our objectively worst Lore, considering we don't have a reroll.

 

[Greymere]

Okay, tentatively final versions

[] Plan Responsible KISSing
-[] (AotL) Lantern
-[] (Forge) Reserve for after DoA's Sacrament resolves
-[] (Knock) Explore the Summit
-[] (Winter) Invoke a Risen
-[] (Social) Teach Selene
-[] Fleeting Opportunity: Family
-[] Fleeting Opportunity: Friends
-[] Sacrament: Through the Foggy Mirror (5x)

[] Plan Prudent KISSing
-[] (AotL) Lantern
-[] (Forge) Forge 3 reagent
-[] (Knock) Explore the Summit
-[] (Winter) Invoke a Risen
-[] (Social) Teach Selene
-[] Fleeting Opportunity: Family
-[] Fleeting Opportunity: Friends
-[] Perform the Forge's Redemption
--[] Sacrifice Forge 3 reagent
--[] At Jade's old house
-[] Sacrament: Through the Foggy Mirror (4x)

Lantern AotL, mostly because I'm hoping that we'll be able to shove a study action on either the Lantern artifact or Moth book in later.

Only difference btwn these two us that Prudent removes a DoA attempt for guaranteed FR attempt.

 

[Shaper47]

I wouldn't call not doing any of our SH Sacrament while we have a SH influence and it's safe to do Prudent or Responsible. It's false advertising!

 

[Nevermort]

Lantern AotL, mostly because I'm hoping that we'll be able to shove a study action on either the Lantern artifact or Moth book in later.

Only difference btwn these two us that Prudent removes a DoA attempt for guaranteed FR attempt.

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I would prefer Grail AoTL since Grail rolls are often have half dozen tiers with tops at 150 DC. Ideally if it used on meeting with Cadence, but it probably better left to QM to specify.

I wouldn't call not doing any of our SH Sacrament while we have a SH influence and it's safe to do Prudent or Responsible. It's false advertising!

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It is entirely possible that we would get option to look after Frangiclave only after obtaining DoA sacrament. In this case spending separate actions on SH sacrament would consume actions that we needed elsewhere. It would be better to leave SH sacrament actions as DoA and Fragiclave leftovers, as in not even mentioning that we would do SH after DoA in case we would need to spend actions on Frangiclave instead.

 

[Shaper47]

It is entirely possible that we would get option to look after Frangiclave only after obtaining DoA sacrament. In this case spending separate actions on SH sacrament would consume actions that we needed elsewhere. It would be better to leave SH sacrament actions as DoA and Fragiclave leftovers, as in not even mentioning that we would do SH after DoA in case we would need to spend actions on Frangiclave instead.

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Then the Prudent and Responsible thing to do is have 6 AP on DoA's Sacrament not a measly 4 AP.

FR and Selene should come after the Sacraments actions not before.

 

[Alan975]

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[] Plan Living on the line
-[] (AotL) Grail
-[] (Forge) Forge 3 reagent
-[] [MANSUS] Tarrying in the Wastes (Search for a new area)
-[] (Winter) Summon a Risen
-[] (Social) FO Family
-[] FO Friends
-[] Personal SH Sacrament x2
-[] DOA Sacrament x4

I think this works? Not really optimal but fun.


Now, maybe I'm just blind, but I'm not finding anything about in which order things are done so

@OurLadyOfWires If we hit SH 5 this turn, would that help with Axe's errand?

Otherwise:
[] PLan All on Snake
-[] (AotL) Grail
-[] (Forge) Forge 3 reagent
-[] [MANSUS] Tarrying in the Wastes (Search for a new area)
-[] (Free) Summon a Risen
-[] (Social) FO Family
-[] FO Friends
-[] DOA Sacrament x6