Rova 4714
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Rova 4714
Eire had spent most of the waning days of summer, and early fall in the academic considerations of the economy of his state. Particularly on the unique characteristics that compounded the matter of the division of labor in a society where its 'racial make up' did actually entail tangible measurable differences... An individual giant was stronger than an average human, or an orc, or so on. The problem lay in the dimensions involved in simple tasks of labor moving of supplies the human domesticated field animals horse or oxen made things much easier, and indeed giants domesticated oxen, the native wild aurochs common to northern Avistan served as the beast of burden but it was a less efficient one.
The giants as a result of their size had a harder time developing animal based labor saving systems, even if it wasn't impossible for them. Horses didn't work for giants in the same way they did for humans, or that dwarves could rely on smaller donkeys. What Giants were used to doing was manufacturing metal tools, to a degree, arsenical bronze, copper working, iron. The problem was the caloric intake. It was much easier for giants as solitary communities to remain nomadic, or semi nomadic ranging across the land as they had for thousands of years. The transition to settled agriculture had been a much harder one than for humans, and humans hadn't exactly had it easy.
To that end thassilon had represented a bringing of giants into the fold with other races. Thassilon had been a human empire first and foremost, and as Vordakai was quick to point out an empire of human wizards. On the other hand the dragon realms hadn't been adverse to bringing giants into the fold... and of course the serpent folk had employed giant mercenaries from tribes and clans... and the giants had in the form of the cyclopes empires had managed to establish first city states and broader civilizations with complex tool use, urban apparatus, and organized states on the imperial model.
... but then the earth fall had happened, and everything had been thrown back.
Minderhal's clergy were quick to insist that from their god's perspective, Giantkind had benefitted from Thasilon's power. There were giants who disagreed with this, and there were those were ambivalent, but the result was that Minderhal's clergy supported Imperial rule. Part of that was of course Minderhal was a Lawful deity and the tenants of the faith included community living, rules based systems and that the community was safer as part of a larger entity that was more stable.
Minderhal's clergy were happy to participate in enforcing the law, and as part of the organized state church. It wasn't that the giantish Erastillian congregations did, but Minderhal's church was more inclined to assimilate faster into the hierarchy of urban and sprawling central administration.
Had Aroden, God of Humanity still lived and Iomedae not succeeded the last Azlanti Eire considered that this might have had consequences... but there was no longer a centralized Arodenite church hierarchy that wielded power. Iomedae's church was regional, based on local rules, local rulers in a given kingdom. He didn't have to contend with doctrinal protests from Westcrown and of course that presumed that Westcrown might have objected at all. This far north, this far east they might not have.
It had been of course as a result of this lack of centralization, central religious authority that the order of the godclaw had formed its pantheon by syncretic interfaith dialogues and assimilation of sarkorian traditions to smooth the differences between dwarven, brevic, and other traditions to make a coherent martial doctrine around the Five. The Godclaw was a knightly order, which had largely been born in a time of not just chaos but when Arodenite traditions of knighthood had still been strong, still strongly tied to the Arodenite faith.
The priest of Minderhal stood to his left, an adamantine maul hanging from his armored waist. The armored priest was silent as the knight of the Godclaw rose from supplication. One of Mori's fellow knights of the torrent had vouched for the man, and his wider coterie. Knights from Torrent, and Gate had journeyed from Mendev as part of a detachment, not so much an embassy to carry word from QueenGalfrey's court of ... well of heresy. "We pursue a cult we believe dedicated to Sifkesh," A demon lord who had long been the enemy of the Hellknights, as it had been heretics dedicated to the demon lord who had provoked the founder of the first Hellknight order to break with the church of aroden leading to the religious authorities of Westcrown to pronounce him the moniker Hellknight."They claim to be pious religious denizens speaking of a kingdom of the cleansed, preaching anarchy and not needing the laws of the land."
Eire nodded.
This was... not all together unexpected. There were not shortage of chaotic deities worshipped in the riverlands who's congregations might be vulnerable to the machinations of demon lords, and the truth was the influx of refugees from mendev's slums had always had potential issues. "Tristian will assist you on this," He said waving a hand, adding him to Mori's own place in the investigation.
It wasn't that he didn't appreciate the doctrines and ideas of the godclaw, and nor was it he didn't take this problem seriously, but this was his realm. The Godclaw and the Torrent, and their companions here were here with Mendev's sanction, but this was his realm. If, as he was keen to establish, they were heretics, heresy was treason against the crown, fermenting anarchy was rebellion, and the kingdom would deal with such.
On the other hand it hadn't also escaped him that the Church of Milani might object to his personal opinion. That was plenty of reason to send Tristian on this task, and not for example the Chelish born Vaclav... or for that matter any of his chelish coreligionists. He would need more information of course... he had little immediate reason to doubt the coterie's claim, they came with a letter from Galfrey and her chancellor vouching for their concerns.
He frankly doubted the Hell Knights would lie about the threat posed by cultists of Sifkesh, but he did still reserve the right to manage the investigation and insure his realm's laws were to be upheld and took primacy over charged. Tristian would hopefully be sufficient presence along with Mori toreign in any concerns of excesses or failure to follow Narland's standards of justice.
Regardless of however this investigation turned out he was going to need to involve Tristian in the discussions that would follow. Eire knew his focus needed for the moment to be on preparing the kingdom for war, but the investigation would also require speaking to Harrim as head of the religious and interfaith dialogue of the kingdom of large, as well a conclave that would include Vaclav and the other iomedaen clergy of note within the capital.
Eire had spent most of the waning days of summer, and early fall in the academic considerations of the economy of his state. Particularly on the unique characteristics that compounded the matter of the division of labor in a society where its 'racial make up' did actually entail tangible measurable differences... An individual giant was stronger than an average human, or an orc, or so on. The problem lay in the dimensions involved in simple tasks of labor moving of supplies the human domesticated field animals horse or oxen made things much easier, and indeed giants domesticated oxen, the native wild aurochs common to northern Avistan served as the beast of burden but it was a less efficient one.
The giants as a result of their size had a harder time developing animal based labor saving systems, even if it wasn't impossible for them. Horses didn't work for giants in the same way they did for humans, or that dwarves could rely on smaller donkeys. What Giants were used to doing was manufacturing metal tools, to a degree, arsenical bronze, copper working, iron. The problem was the caloric intake. It was much easier for giants as solitary communities to remain nomadic, or semi nomadic ranging across the land as they had for thousands of years. The transition to settled agriculture had been a much harder one than for humans, and humans hadn't exactly had it easy.
To that end thassilon had represented a bringing of giants into the fold with other races. Thassilon had been a human empire first and foremost, and as Vordakai was quick to point out an empire of human wizards. On the other hand the dragon realms hadn't been adverse to bringing giants into the fold... and of course the serpent folk had employed giant mercenaries from tribes and clans... and the giants had in the form of the cyclopes empires had managed to establish first city states and broader civilizations with complex tool use, urban apparatus, and organized states on the imperial model.
... but then the earth fall had happened, and everything had been thrown back.
Minderhal's clergy were quick to insist that from their god's perspective, Giantkind had benefitted from Thasilon's power. There were giants who disagreed with this, and there were those were ambivalent, but the result was that Minderhal's clergy supported Imperial rule. Part of that was of course Minderhal was a Lawful deity and the tenants of the faith included community living, rules based systems and that the community was safer as part of a larger entity that was more stable.
Minderhal's clergy were happy to participate in enforcing the law, and as part of the organized state church. It wasn't that the giantish Erastillian congregations did, but Minderhal's church was more inclined to assimilate faster into the hierarchy of urban and sprawling central administration.
Had Aroden, God of Humanity still lived and Iomedae not succeeded the last Azlanti Eire considered that this might have had consequences... but there was no longer a centralized Arodenite church hierarchy that wielded power. Iomedae's church was regional, based on local rules, local rulers in a given kingdom. He didn't have to contend with doctrinal protests from Westcrown and of course that presumed that Westcrown might have objected at all. This far north, this far east they might not have.
It had been of course as a result of this lack of centralization, central religious authority that the order of the godclaw had formed its pantheon by syncretic interfaith dialogues and assimilation of sarkorian traditions to smooth the differences between dwarven, brevic, and other traditions to make a coherent martial doctrine around the Five. The Godclaw was a knightly order, which had largely been born in a time of not just chaos but when Arodenite traditions of knighthood had still been strong, still strongly tied to the Arodenite faith.
The priest of Minderhal stood to his left, an adamantine maul hanging from his armored waist. The armored priest was silent as the knight of the Godclaw rose from supplication. One of Mori's fellow knights of the torrent had vouched for the man, and his wider coterie. Knights from Torrent, and Gate had journeyed from Mendev as part of a detachment, not so much an embassy to carry word from QueenGalfrey's court of ... well of heresy. "We pursue a cult we believe dedicated to Sifkesh," A demon lord who had long been the enemy of the Hellknights, as it had been heretics dedicated to the demon lord who had provoked the founder of the first Hellknight order to break with the church of aroden leading to the religious authorities of Westcrown to pronounce him the moniker Hellknight."They claim to be pious religious denizens speaking of a kingdom of the cleansed, preaching anarchy and not needing the laws of the land."
Eire nodded.
This was... not all together unexpected. There were not shortage of chaotic deities worshipped in the riverlands who's congregations might be vulnerable to the machinations of demon lords, and the truth was the influx of refugees from mendev's slums had always had potential issues. "Tristian will assist you on this," He said waving a hand, adding him to Mori's own place in the investigation.
It wasn't that he didn't appreciate the doctrines and ideas of the godclaw, and nor was it he didn't take this problem seriously, but this was his realm. The Godclaw and the Torrent, and their companions here were here with Mendev's sanction, but this was his realm. If, as he was keen to establish, they were heretics, heresy was treason against the crown, fermenting anarchy was rebellion, and the kingdom would deal with such.
On the other hand it hadn't also escaped him that the Church of Milani might object to his personal opinion. That was plenty of reason to send Tristian on this task, and not for example the Chelish born Vaclav... or for that matter any of his chelish coreligionists. He would need more information of course... he had little immediate reason to doubt the coterie's claim, they came with a letter from Galfrey and her chancellor vouching for their concerns.
He frankly doubted the Hell Knights would lie about the threat posed by cultists of Sifkesh, but he did still reserve the right to manage the investigation and insure his realm's laws were to be upheld and took primacy over charged. Tristian would hopefully be sufficient presence along with Mori toreign in any concerns of excesses or failure to follow Narland's standards of justice.
Regardless of however this investigation turned out he was going to need to involve Tristian in the discussions that would follow. Eire knew his focus needed for the moment to be on preparing the kingdom for war, but the investigation would also require speaking to Harrim as head of the religious and interfaith dialogue of the kingdom of large, as well a conclave that would include Vaclav and the other iomedaen clergy of note within the capital.