Esquestria: The House of the Sun - A pony cultist experience

[Nevermort]

Even motivated Axe only casts Knock and Edge influences on herself and both are not the most conductive to detective work. Does her being motivated even matter if tests are not in her Lores?

 

[Cochimetl]

Well, you're to late for that pal!

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I am not. I feel you'd be right if Devour won, if she hunted down and ate her father because she hates him, but it didn't.

 

[Arrkhon]

I am not. I feel you'd be right if Devour won, if she hunted down and ate her father because she hates him, but it didn't.

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True, instead she will eat someone she doesn't know letting her ignore any fallout of their death, after all it it is easier to not self-identify as a monster when you can just avoid any suffering your acts cause

 

[Pittauro]

Ugghhhh



No Hill? No Rich? I'd take the risk and delay of Windy at this point.

...Whats the point of even doing the sacrament like this?

Only the sunk cost basically, I've been drained of all enthusiasm.

Can't even get hyped about Mareinette because there will be the same -or more! - pushback later, unless she is like explicitly stated to be sugar-spice-and-everything-nice~ified.


Are these people going to keep to their ideals when it comes to the other sacraments? I've not seen them argue against taking a lesson from Biddie, even though he of all Names should not get a chance to influence Velvet for the worst.
At least Our Lady is honest! The only Name that wouldn't commit atrocities is probably DoA.


And on that point...


Well, you're to late for that pal!

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I think you're missing the point, or alternatively you just don't care for it.

Not picking Velvet Hill or Spoiled Rich, but still doing the sacrament with a criminal is basically Velvet recognizing that she has a NEED for that power, enough to commit an immoral act, but that she'll try to pay the lowest cost possible for it.

You ask what's the point of doing the Sacrament like this? Easy. We're doing the Sacrament because we want to befriend Mareinette, remove her as a potential threat AND an ongoing cost (in terms of rebindings), and we also want the Sacrament Power and grail 5.

If you wanted the Sacrament because you wanted to read the story of how Velvet is going to enjoy killing and eating her father, or the mother of her daughter's close friend... well, I DO understand that. Part of me definitely wants to read the Velvet Hill scene.

And when you talk about ideals in relation to our "other" sacraments...

Well, Personal Lantern is about as bad, really, but we're presumably going for Baldomare's.

Biedde's Edge doesn't really take morality into consideration, it's just a fight to earn the right to it, basically. To earn his acknowledgement.

What we're doing with Moth is evil and manipulative. We already accepted that, and we basically committed to do it a couple turns ago anyway, and basically everyone is in agreement on doing it next turn. We decided we need it enough to be worth the "morality" cost... and admittedly Spoiled Rich is disliked enough that most of us don't really feel sorry for her.

...at least yet. We'll see if we change our minds after doing this. the "Mothed" choice is locked at Acquaintance, NOT enemy or stranger, which kinda seems to imply she at least won't outright hate us for it? Then again this is mostly just a guess.

Wolf never really gained enough traction to be a serious option.

The way I see it, the only sacrament that might ACTUALLY have a choice of being picked in the next few turns, that MIGHT be argued to be comparably evil, would be the Winter one. I'm not sure I agree (by all accounts EiB is a painless, almost gentle death), and in some ways the fact we don't get to pick nearly makes it feel more... natural? But it's three deaths compared to one, and we can't mitigate the evilness of the act by picking "more deserving" targets, for as much as that can help...

True, instead she will eat someone she doesn't know letting her ignore any fallout of their death, after all it it is easier to not self-identify as a monster when you can just avoid any suffering your acts cause

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That's at least partially the point, yes.

The victim not being directly connected to her, while also being a "bad" pony, allows her to not feel as much guilt and rationality and justify the action taken.

Not going after Hill is really just justified because why would you want to cause more chaos Equestria-wide? If Velvet did it, it would just be to indulge in her hate, no other possible valid reason.

If we go for Spoiled Rich, it's a more personal kind of evil. It's going for someone who trusted you, and not only you betray them but ALSO kill them (and eat them) right afterl.

If we're going for a stranger... well, that's Velvet going "I decided I have to do this, what's the most efficient way to do it that will let me live while being able to convince myself I'm not an horrible pony for doing this?"

 

[Alan975]

The victim not being directly connected to her, while also being a "bad" pony, allows her to not feel as much guilt and rationality and justify the action taken.

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[Need to add here, not ranting at you just got fired up]
This is what I meant to point out, what I kinda-sorta-maybe buried in ugghhhh

Velvet being a contradictive and hypocritical monster is great! I love that! People acting as if that issn't what they're voting for is grating!

Taking out Hill or Rich got talked up as some kind of irredeemable or inherently corruptive option, as opposed to some random that Velvet has no motive to go after?

The less said about the "Just find a criminal," the better, cuz apparently knowing the face of the target and acting like judge, jury and cook is worse than not knowing it?

If we have to send a Name to go fetch a no-name, then why not go for "Give me a spreadsheet of the vilest bastard in Equestria and a dartboard" if every action has to be made by The Good Velvet (TM)?


How about this, what's the thoughts on the precedent set by Velvet just casually ordering the kidnapping and death of someone without so much as a warrant? No smoking gun?

I'd be fine if the cult Beuro went all police state up in here, so long as that's actually acknowledged and strived towards.


I'm tired and drunk, but not enough to not know that this issn't exactly expertly reasoned, but i just don't get it? If it looks like, talks like and walks like a reactionary self-aggrandizing moralist then is it?


Not to start this again but beyond just wanting to win- and I get that! I promise! - What do they want? Is it a self-captive audience that migrated to QQ of all sites, has persisted so far and is just not interested in the story being told? That has experienced just so many Hours and only now have had the thought that "you know, I don't actually like it when a selfish, conniving, 'Got mine, get fucked', murderer does bad things" ?

 

[Arrkhon]

If we're going for a stranger... well, that's Velvet going "I decided I have to do this, what's the most efficient way to do it that will let me live while being able to convince myself I'm not an horrible pony for doing this?"

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I am pretty sure she's perfectly aware of the fact that she's a horrible pony already, eating ponies she doesn't know over the ones she does won't change this fact