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Medicine is a bad idea. Solar Medicine charms actually don't have much to do with healing battle wounds and stuff, it's more in the vein of curing cancer and fighting epidemics and stuff. Asia has better healing powers than we can have right now, it's just not worth the investment when we're still trying to get our combat skills up to par.Fellgar said:I believe we would be best served training medicine for now. Just to get the first dot in it. Thats all I want us to get at the moment. Based off how quickly we learn new skills we generally want to pick up the first dot in just about every skill. That way we can just spend EXP to improve it when it comes up in story.
Smuthunter said:Medicine is a bad idea. Solar Medicine charms actually don't have much to do with healing battle wounds and stuff, it's more in the vein of curing cancer and fighting epidemics and stuff. Asia has better healing powers than we can have right now, it's just not worth the investment when we're still trying to get our combat skills up to par.
Asia cannot learn Solar charms. I don't expect that to change even when we finish researching the evil pieces. And as I've said, her own Twilight Healing is already better than anything we could teach her. It's a waste of time and EXP which we need to spend on buffing our combat stats so we don't die horribly when we start fighting Vali and friends.Fellgar said:Precisely why we want to teach asia these skills as soon as possible.
Smuthunter said:Asia cannot learn Solar charms. I don't expect that to change even when we finish researching the evil pieces. And as I've said, her own Twilight Healing is already better than anything we could teach her. It's a waste of time and EXP which we need to spend on buffing our combat stats so we don't die horribly when we start fighting Vali and friends.
You want us to learn medicine so we can teach Asia about medicine. I assumed you were referring to charms, since just having dots in Medicine is of no benefit when Asia has Twilight Healing. When she can just wave her hands and make injuries disappear, she doesn't need to know the first thing about healing them the normal way.Fellgar said:... what does that have to do with anything about what I said?
Eh, I don't know about that. DxD magic is useful, but is it more powerful than our native martial arts charms?Larekko12 said:It's not worth it unless we can use lore and medicine charms to study twilight healing and mass produce a way for it to large swaths of people. Or Artifact to allow Asia to do so.
But honestly in battle we should focus on the wizard part of kung fu wizard.
It comes faster, easier and cheaper. We can rock Dodge, Res, and Athletic Charms and Lore and Occult Charms with an Attack Magic systems that's an order of a magnitude faster and more localised than Sorcery.
More useful.Smuthunter said:Eh, I don't know about that. DxD magic is useful, but is it more powerful than our native martial arts charms?
Smuthunter said:Eh, I don't know about that. DxD magic is useful, but is it more powerful than our native martial arts charms?
Eler0 said:I think you're seriously underestimating how strong native Solar Charms are. These are the guys that killed the beings that created the world and didn't know the concept of death. I want to see someone try to do that with DxD magic.
Sure. Ghost-Eating Technique is only a charm or two deep in the Solar Occult charm tree. Of course that charm is made for use against Exalted gods, who just regenerate after a while if you destroy their physical forms. DxD gods are rather more powerful than we can handle right now, and that's not going to change for a while.iamnuff said:
Do you know what's even more of a bitch to dodge? Shockwave Technique, because it's undodgeable and we can make it unblockable as well.iamnuff said:then i suggest learning lightning bolt.
it's single target, which makes it useful for a ranged attack when we can't (or don't want to) use and aoe like fireball.
also, it's probably a real bitch to dodge.
Eler0 said:Do you know what's even more of a bitch to dodge? Shockwave Technique, because it's undodgeable and we can make it unblockable as well.
And it only costs 4 motes, that's as much as a maxed-out fireball that'll do 4L if it hits.
iamnuff said:
Shockwave Technique
Cost: 5m; Mins: Martial Arts 5, Essence 3; Type: Simple (Speed 5, DV -1)
Keywords: Combo-OK, Obvious, Hero
Duration: Instant
Prerequisites: Heaven Thunder Hammer, Crashing Wave Throw, Ox-Stunning Blow, Hammer on Iron Technique.
The hero burns with Essence, then strikes a blow so mighty that it sends shockwaves rippling through the fabric of the world. This Charm produces a single unarmed Martial Arts attack that is applied to everything within Essence yards of the chosen target except the pugilist herself. As this is a single blow that strikes multiple targets, Charms and other effects are activated and paid for only once.
Hero: Solar Exalted pay 3m instead of 5m, use the higher of Martial Arts or Essence to determine area of effect, and may selectively exempt any targets they do not wish to hit from the attack. Prerequisite is Heaven Thunder Hammer.
which we can use as a vector to apply other combat charms to multiple people at once(apparently?)As this is a single blow that strikes multiple targets, Charms and other effects are activated and paid for only once.
Cost: 3m; Mins: Martial Arts 3, Essence 2; Type: Supplemental
Keywords: Combo-OK, Hero
Duration: Instant
Prerequisites: Fists of Iron Technique
The pugilist's anima blazes for a moment, fierce and powerful, and she strikes like the judgement of the Unconquered Sun. This Charm supplements an unarmed Martial Arts attack, doubling base damage. Against inanimate objects, it doubles raw damage instead. This alternate use was known in the First Age as the Pillar-Breaking Blow.
Hero: For Solar Exalted, this Charm is Reflexive (Step 1) and costs 1 mote.
so, for a single mote, we get to double the BASE damage of a punch?
so what happens if we use boosted gear?
also, fists of iron looks sweet too.
It's "a blow so mighty that it sends a shockwave through the fabric of the world." and hits everyone within [higher of Martial Arts and Essence] yards. We can apply all our other Charms to this attack, so how hard it hits depends on how many we want to use, but most are scene-long effects we'd want to activate in every fight. As an example, our Sacred Gear does 5B, Fist of Iron turns that Lethal, so 5L. Orichalcum Fists of Battle adds 5 damage to that, giving us 10L (Aggravated against Creatures of Darkness). Fist of the Daystar Form adds 3, so we're at 13L. Sledgehammer Fist Punch doubles this number, giving us 26L. Ox-Stunning Blow let's us ignore the target's non-magical soak and all natural soak and adds a -1 penalty to the target for every level of damage it takes.iamnuff said:elaborate please.
what is it, what does it do?
sonic clap style thing, or "kung fu style" wind-pressure punches?
how hard does it hit?
mostly, i suggested lighting because our only ranged attacks are "fuck-you-and-everyone-behind-you" dragon wave, or Fireball.
I'm was looking for a hard to dodge (lighting fast?) single target thing.
something we can slap Castigating Judgement on for bonus damage.
then, with both long range options covered (snipe, and aoe) we can look into getting some hand to hand "fuck you up in melee" charms.
after that, it's just a matter of stacking modifiers and finding ways to throw more damage on each.
"Monkey leap" can get us into melee from any range, right? even against flying enemies?
Eler0 said:
Oh, you're right, I mixed up raw and base damage. But yes, It's main use is hitting several people at the same time and being undodgeable, which is pretty useful if you want to be really sure you'll hit someone.iamnuff said:
i have no idea which version of anything we are using.
a lot of the charm lists for this style seems to be fan-revisions too.
has alex mentioned we are using a specific version? if so, can i get a link to it?
I think we're using https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y1ZfsnGx84VLujoKLucctqgTeGto0QKaGCIc2s6vz8Q/editiamnuff said:reposting this because i added it in edit, and thats a great way to get overlooked.
The first one I posted was the set from the core rulebook, then I remembered we're using Chung's Fist of the Daystar rewrite, which brings the power of all the charms in the set up to the level of Solar charms. Unfortunately Chung also got rid of the perfect-quality charms in the version I'm looking at, meaning the replacement for Shockwave Technique lacks the undodgable / unblockable / etc qualities. I don't know where Eler0 got this version or whether it's the one we're using or not.iamnuff said:so we make an attack (punch someone) and if it hits, we get to launch them as a missle?
and only the Human Missile is unblockable? so against a single target it's just a punch/throw combo?
I saw your edit: what attack did you (mis)quote first? "throwing dudes at other dudes" is one of my favourite moves!
It's the version we're using.Smuthunter said:I don't know where Eler0 got this version or whether it's the one we're using or not.
Alexander said:We're using this one.
There's a few worth mentioning:megrisvernin said:So Question. What were the organizations or teams of threats Issei & Rias fought in show? Ignore really high end threats since this is easy mode?
I appreciate the breakdown.Smuthunter said:There's a few worth mentioning:
Fallen Angels / Heaven: The other two sides of the Christianity trio, including renegades and related guys like Freed. They stop being an issue altogether after the peace treaty is negotiated in book 4, but if we fuck something up we might prevent the peace conference from happening and they could be an issue for a while longer. The Fallen Angels have Vali on their side for a little while but he changes sides and joins the Khaos Brigade in book 4.
Khaos Brigade: Terrorists with a number of motives. The group was created by Ophis, an extraordinarily powerful dragon, for the purpose of removing Great Red from the dimensional boundary. These guys are composed of a number of sub-factions who are often at cross-purposes with each other.
Old Maou Faction: The first part of the KB that we're likely to meet. This group is composed of traditionalist devils who want to restart the war with heaven and the fallen and see the current leadership as being a bunch of spineless pissants. Probably the single most two-dimensional villains in the series, their members often appear just long enough to introduce themselves and then get killed off in many of the original fight scenes.
Hero Faction: Cao Cao's faction of human warriors. The Heroes are obsessed with sacred gears and are known to kidnap gear-bearers and use them to try to unlock balance breakers by force. The Heroes are also allied with the Greek god Hades and betray Ophis in volume 11.
Team Vali: Vali and Kuroka and friends. They're also a part of the KB after they changed sides in volume 4 but they often show up to help. These guys are wild cards and Vali is less interestd in politics and more interested in settling things with Issei once he trains himself up a little.
There's also a few one-shot villains not attached to any group, like Loki.