With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I bet is Doomsday.

 

I thought we already established that it was Nega-Plastic Man all along?

 

You're think too small friend! It's quite clearly Nega-Plastic Man, who has been corrupted by Anti-Life, received White and Black Lantern rings, reaching Enlightenment with both and housing their respective Entities, was turned into a member of The Parliament Of Fire, then a Vampire, all while disguised as a Mickey Mouse made of gravy that's then disguised as Starbreaker, Renegade, and Darkseid, in that order.

(I'm struggling to fit any more of our theories in here, feel free to chime in with you're own ideas in that front.)

 

Don't forget his merging with Super Kami Guru.

After that he just drank the universe around him.

 

Ah yes, Nega-Platics Man gave the universe a Classic.

Really feels like the kind of thing he would do.

 

So let's not use someone who not even the end of the universe could kill permanently, instead let's use the evil version of a Hero instead!

What a classic!

 

TV tropes link about this problem

 

I hope it's ol' cave boy in the sun.

 

What, like one of those scooby-doo villains with all of the masks stacked one atop the other?
No matter how many faces masks you take off you'll never reach their real face!
"You thought it was Darkseid but it was I, Batman!" *maniacal laughter*

edit: all jokes aside, 'Obsidian Age' shows Plastic Man surviving being disintegrated and having his molecules dispersed all over the bottom of the Atlantic for over 3000 years before getting reassembled and acting like nothing significant happened. The kicker is... He was apparently conscious the entire time. So this joke plot is actually not completely impossible.

 

He did apparently go insane during that time, but like Paradox from Ben 10 he eventually got bored and became sane again.

I also think he decides to spend more time with his son and left the League, so something significant happened.

 

So... Why are they acting likes it's only been a few months instead of hundreds if not thousands of years?

 

Wait until the civilization you helped build lasts for billions of years and you can say that.

Red Son's ideas did help that version of Lex with his rule.

If paragon gets Melmoth to help the Atlanteans with some of their magic and tech then he may get his arcane spaceships.

'tell' not told'

I know this is meant to be sarcasm, but it is highly likely that crocodiles were eaten by mutated guppies in Gotham.

'than Sheeda'

 

Unless this is some phrase variation that I'm just not familiar with, I would have thought it would be "point", or at least "objective".

 

Thank you, corrected.

No, when Artemis was growing up Gotham mostly had high levels of normal crime.

 

But now the mutants guppies are rampaging the sewers.

 

Why do you think we haven't seen Weylon Jones in this story yet?

 

Ohh no.

Enchantress won't have her romance with him now.

You can dislike the n52 all you like, but that romance was one of the most beautiful things in it.

When Croc became Roy's AA sponsor was also both one of the most heartwarming, and funny, things in comic history.

On a serious note I think Robin mentioned being hit by him in the face and the Danner enhancements made sure Croc broke some of his fingers.

 

And then the guppies swarmed. They smelled weakness.

 

I'm going to play The Long odds and bet on it being Mr Banjo

 

Nice dream! The only main problem with it is that all of your subjects are discount Drow. If they don't collapse back into Game of Thrones the moment it becomes apparent you're not coming back any time soon I'll eat my gasmask.

I getcha! I suffer from the same affliction :/

Oh My! All the following talk about going back to their gfs/bfs in the Past seems kinda hollow in the light of this. Or is it one of those 'What happens in Post-Apocalyptic Future stays in Post-Apocalyptic Future' kinda deals?

Why are they talking about going back like it's a done deal? I thought that nonexistence of another time machine is the whole reason they stayed in this blasted place for centuries? Planning to deal with the Vamp-Ra is nice an all but a) isn't their problem and b) doesn't automatically gets them a way home.

Worry not Arty! You live in a comicbook-inspired setting. You'll be back to who you are (a teenage super pointy stick launcher) as soon as you step back into the Present!

Nah man, that's New York!

 

Saying that because some of Red son superman idea's helped Lex, therefore, he gets to claim credit for Lexism (I think that's what it was called it's been a while since I read that comic) is like claiming Augustus gets credit for the Magna Carta because some of his (empire's) idea's influenced the country that made it.

I would mention the mass lobotomization but I'm pretty sure Grayven has done worse than that.

 

But you can't deny that his ideas did help Lex with his rule.

Well he genocided the Citadelians, but they were evil, and the ones Red Son lobotomized was that evil son of Stalin and a bunch of guys who could have just been bomb throwing anarchists.

 

The "mass" lobotomizations were Justice Lord Superman.

 

The sound of a civilisation forcibly dragged out of the gutter its' people's instincts were throwing it into? Yes, quite reassuing, I'll wager.

Spoiler: Commentary spoilered for length

I wonder if the generators produce enough power to allow direct energy-matter conversion, produce more biomass to enable more people, more biotechnology... But that would probably draw the attention of the Vampire Sun...

That other shoe, still spinning in the air and hemming and hawing about it's intention to come down again, eh?

I know that feel, that drive to do everything possible in a game, even the mutually exclusive things. It's not always easy to set it aside for more important business...

Since Sheeda are more forgiving of things like stamping out opposition and rebellion... You're still stuck doing it the hard way on other worlds...

Oh, my. What will Princess Luna say when she hears about this? But seriously, the best kind of friendships are forged in hard times...

It would be excessive, to put it mildly. A giant-ass railgun or launch vehicle should do the rick, especially since Artemis' technique can get a lot more distance now.

Let me guess, a pod with magical fire resistance out the wazoo? And magical sensors, because visual would be worthless inside the big ball of plasma.

There's still the matter of getting home, barring a Deus Ex Machina like Rip Hunter or someone turning up in a time-craft.

Yeah, whatever happens, there's going to be scars. She's going to have about a thousand years of memories in a teenage body... Becasue i have no doubt this will play out by Faerie rules, centuries passing in a moment... Still better than the opposite, though. That's caught out many a visitor as they crumble into dust as time catches up with them upon leaving the hidden world.

Nice try, Grayven, but I don't think jokes are gonna ease the tension.

"It all seems so petty now. Who's dating who, the latest fashions... I mean, I wasn't really into that stuff before, but now..."

Nah, this place has gotten boring now. I bet she hasn't had to shoot anybody in a week!

Or, gods forbid, she try setting up the American system. Though I suppose it'd distract all those dirty-dealing, backstabbing and mud-slinging instincts Sheeda have...

Huh, no violet? Has it been that long that she's cooled off on him, or is she just tired of this shit.

Oh, wouldn't it be funny if Jade's been quietly squeeing over the pretty pony princess that Grayven's been seen with... And then threatening anyone who saw it with a long, painful death.

No doubt as training for operations somewhere they wouldn't be able to count on having motor vehicles, I suppose.

Hey, at least it wasn't mutant turtles! Those ones are a pain, especially the ninja ones.

The previous one's successor, or several generations removed, no doubt. It must get weird, seeing the faces of their servants constantly changing as time goes on.

Straight down to business. Things are getting serious, i see.

Ah, some of Auracles' old tech, eh? Dragged out of some old museum and grudgingly brought into working order through long, careful repairs.

Dozens of Sheeda generations, all brought together into one grand purpose. I bet that's an empowering sensation, especially for him.

Place your bets now, folks. Remember, someone's already managed to call it.

Well, it depends on how you stretch your definition of Human. DC Metas have some crazy shit going on.

As if the Queen would allow anyone power she didn't grant. If someone spontaneously developed powers in finest DC fashion, they'd likely be dead in a day.

Yeah, he's genre-savvy enough to think of that.

That'd have to be some upgrade.

And we'll be finding out soon, I hope... The blue-balls ache.

Well, things really are coming to a head soon. Unless Mr Zoat cockblocks us, we'll know what the Vampire Sun is by the end of the weekend... And I for one am looking forwards to it, if only to see what obscure, yet blatantly obvious, DC character he's managed to dig up that could be involved...

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Could probably use a full stop, as those sentences don't exactly flow together.

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That Godspeech:

 

I wish the different types of chapters were grouped coz the whiplash from swapping is real sometimes

 

Not only him.

I remember it being implied that it was more than that, but It's been a while and I don't have the screengrabs to hand so I might be misremembering.

 

Would the Sheeda even survive Artemis leaving?

With bleed generators they can theoretically go on forever. But what is there to do in their pocket universe? Who or what will keep them together? They are used to infighting. And they can't expand either, to relieve pressure.

Putting them into another, younger universe would help, but that would also risk someone there stomping on them because they aren't exactly diplomats.

 

Maybe, but Artemis and renegade were with them for a long time so that may have taught them diplomacy, as well as set up someone to rule in their place who isn't insane or evil, and made sure they cooperate with each other more.

 

What is Artemis' New God flavor like, now that she has been a Sheeda-leading Archer/Queen for much longer than she has been New-Goding as an Archer-Superhero-Sidekick on 21st century Earth?