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I'm not expecting prejudice from a god, but that's a title you give a supervillain, just saying.
I blame Disney.
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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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I blame Disney.
BR549
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He's a follower of Eris.
There are no mistakes, there are just happy little accidents.
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Able to work, but very fragile and fiddly requiring a whole lot of effort to get right?
The phrase still works
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Also Egyptian (or Kandaqi, unless they're that different here), but given the names, it fits well.
Sungate (part 10)
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11th September 2012
14:37 GMT
"And these-."
"Hades elder brother of Zeus Hades?"
"Yes. And you are not the titan Coeus. Where did you come from?"
"Ah." He takes a moment to regain his mental equilibrium, Phoebe lightly touching his left arm with the tips of the fingers of her right hand. "No, as I said, I'm a god. My mother named me for her late brother. He was slain by your father, as I recall."
"The titans were mighty. Extremely hard to kill. My father does not often talk about it, but from what I remember of his stories Coeus was a team effort."
"A team-. Do not speak so lightly of my uncle's death!"
His metaphysique is protected, but with the Ophidian's help I can get a rough feeling for him. That outburst was more due to shock than rage, but more importantly I get a feel for his complexity. He's… Young. The titans were defeated… What, seven thousand years ago? He's nothing like that old. He might even be younger than me-. My actual age, rather than my official age.
"Melinoë, that isn't helpful. Please-."
"Do not assume that my goals are the same as yours."
"I'm not assuming that, but I am assuming that your reduced strength in the material universe means that I could -for example- stick you in the corner of the room with a construct gag on."
Coeus appears baffled, but Phoebe is starting to smile. Melinoë is giving me her full attention, her face a picture of indignation.
I step in front of her, blocking Coeus's view of her and hers of him.
"Sorry about that. I didn't get much notice and she was the first available Olympian."
"I-." He shakes his head. "Fine. We-. I wasn't expecting you to bring an Olympian."
"I was told to bring a staff, and that you were from Earth. I don't even know why you wanted to talk to an ambassador."
Phoebe leans into her husband. "Then perhaps it would help if we explained that. And.. where it is that we come from."
"I'll take anything."
"Then, please, be seated."
Coeus doesn't look entirely certain, but responds to her gentle tug on his arm to sit down on a nearby bench. I take a seat opposite, leaving Melinoë to choose between either joining me or joining Aporia. She chooses me. Right.. next to me, and
an image of the walls around me trapping me squeezing me crushing me
and that would be deeply unpleasant if I wasn't resistant to magic, enlightened and training to deal with it.
I hold out my right hand and cause my personal lantern to manifest.
"My authorisation."
Coeus nods. "Your ring would suffice, but we acknowledge it. You are the Illustres, second in power?"
"I'm the second in authority. Even without the Ophidian's aid, I'm probably the most powerful."
He nods. "Yes, there's more to authority than power. A lesson our mother took great pains to teach us."
"Your mother?"
"The titan Rhea."
Zeus's mother, who… Yes, I don't think there was any record of what happened to her. I cautiously glance at Melinoë to see if she wants to volunteer anything.
"She was banished to the Dream. I had assumed that she was content to dwell there."
"A lie."
"Husband."
Coeus and Phoebe make momentary eye contact with one another. Coeus inclines his head slightly.
"An incomplete truth. Yes, Rhea was banished to the Dream, but she broke her banishment and fled from the Earth. We are her heirs."
"And where is she now? I would be curious to meet my grandmother."
He bows his head.
"Dead. As I am sure that you know, being anchored to the material universe weakens us immensely."
I frown. It's more than that; a titan is far more primal than a god. They shouldn't be able to exist outside of their medium. So… Yes, ganking an avatar and harming or killing the god by doing so is perfectly possible, but I doubt that's the full story.
"You have my commiserations."
He watches my face for a moment or two before nodding. "Thank you. But what of you? What are you? You seemed… Human, but I feel something greater within you."
"That's the Ophidian, universal embodiment of avarice. She's a little like a titan, I suppose, but she's bound to just about everyone in the material universe, so… Her manifesting is a little less traumatic, particularly when she does so via someone like me who's so in tune with her." Hm. "Actually, given that my friend Kon-El is on excellent terms with Helios, he might-"
Coeus frowns, his eyes darting to Phoebe for a moment.
"-be able to do something similar." I frown. "I haven't asked."
Phoebe smiles curiously.
"Cousin Helios is still alive?"
I nod. "Yes. I haven't studied the titanomachy in any detail, but my understanding is that the titans who abandoned Cronus and accepted Zeus's supremacy were generally left to their own devices. And can you imagine trusting Apollo with something as important as the sun?"
Melinoë elbows me. I ignore her.
"Heck, if you want there's no particular reason why you can't visit the Earth. Very few people worship the Olympians-. Heh, I think Euanthe the Super-Dryad has more worshippers than Zeus at the moment."
Phoebe nods. "We may do that, some day. But as to why you are here?"
I nod.
"We are aware that the maltusians left some of their weapons here when they departed. We intend to make this world into a paradise, something we cannot do if ordnance left by a race of demigods could activate at any moment, at great cost to our people. We would like to request your aid in disarming or removing as much as possible, and confirming that anything left is completely inaccessible."
I nod again.
"That sounds like something I can help with, and I'd be happy to do so. Who exactly is 'we' in this context?"
14:37 GMT
"And these-."
"Hades elder brother of Zeus Hades?"
"Yes. And you are not the titan Coeus. Where did you come from?"
"Ah." He takes a moment to regain his mental equilibrium, Phoebe lightly touching his left arm with the tips of the fingers of her right hand. "No, as I said, I'm a god. My mother named me for her late brother. He was slain by your father, as I recall."
"The titans were mighty. Extremely hard to kill. My father does not often talk about it, but from what I remember of his stories Coeus was a team effort."
"A team-. Do not speak so lightly of my uncle's death!"
His metaphysique is protected, but with the Ophidian's help I can get a rough feeling for him. That outburst was more due to shock than rage, but more importantly I get a feel for his complexity. He's… Young. The titans were defeated… What, seven thousand years ago? He's nothing like that old. He might even be younger than me-. My actual age, rather than my official age.
"Melinoë, that isn't helpful. Please-."
"Do not assume that my goals are the same as yours."
"I'm not assuming that, but I am assuming that your reduced strength in the material universe means that I could -for example- stick you in the corner of the room with a construct gag on."
Coeus appears baffled, but Phoebe is starting to smile. Melinoë is giving me her full attention, her face a picture of indignation.
I step in front of her, blocking Coeus's view of her and hers of him.
"Sorry about that. I didn't get much notice and she was the first available Olympian."
"I-." He shakes his head. "Fine. We-. I wasn't expecting you to bring an Olympian."
"I was told to bring a staff, and that you were from Earth. I don't even know why you wanted to talk to an ambassador."
Phoebe leans into her husband. "Then perhaps it would help if we explained that. And.. where it is that we come from."
"I'll take anything."
"Then, please, be seated."
Coeus doesn't look entirely certain, but responds to her gentle tug on his arm to sit down on a nearby bench. I take a seat opposite, leaving Melinoë to choose between either joining me or joining Aporia. She chooses me. Right.. next to me, and
an image of the walls around me trapping me squeezing me crushing me
and that would be deeply unpleasant if I wasn't resistant to magic, enlightened and training to deal with it.
I hold out my right hand and cause my personal lantern to manifest.
"My authorisation."
Coeus nods. "Your ring would suffice, but we acknowledge it. You are the Illustres, second in power?"
"I'm the second in authority. Even without the Ophidian's aid, I'm probably the most powerful."
He nods. "Yes, there's more to authority than power. A lesson our mother took great pains to teach us."
"Your mother?"
"The titan Rhea."
Zeus's mother, who… Yes, I don't think there was any record of what happened to her. I cautiously glance at Melinoë to see if she wants to volunteer anything.
"She was banished to the Dream. I had assumed that she was content to dwell there."
"A lie."
"Husband."
Coeus and Phoebe make momentary eye contact with one another. Coeus inclines his head slightly.
"An incomplete truth. Yes, Rhea was banished to the Dream, but she broke her banishment and fled from the Earth. We are her heirs."
"And where is she now? I would be curious to meet my grandmother."
He bows his head.
"Dead. As I am sure that you know, being anchored to the material universe weakens us immensely."
I frown. It's more than that; a titan is far more primal than a god. They shouldn't be able to exist outside of their medium. So… Yes, ganking an avatar and harming or killing the god by doing so is perfectly possible, but I doubt that's the full story.
"You have my commiserations."
He watches my face for a moment or two before nodding. "Thank you. But what of you? What are you? You seemed… Human, but I feel something greater within you."
"That's the Ophidian, universal embodiment of avarice. She's a little like a titan, I suppose, but she's bound to just about everyone in the material universe, so… Her manifesting is a little less traumatic, particularly when she does so via someone like me who's so in tune with her." Hm. "Actually, given that my friend Kon-El is on excellent terms with Helios, he might-"
Coeus frowns, his eyes darting to Phoebe for a moment.
"-be able to do something similar." I frown. "I haven't asked."
Phoebe smiles curiously.
"Cousin Helios is still alive?"
I nod. "Yes. I haven't studied the titanomachy in any detail, but my understanding is that the titans who abandoned Cronus and accepted Zeus's supremacy were generally left to their own devices. And can you imagine trusting Apollo with something as important as the sun?"
Melinoë elbows me. I ignore her.
"Heck, if you want there's no particular reason why you can't visit the Earth. Very few people worship the Olympians-. Heh, I think Euanthe the Super-Dryad has more worshippers than Zeus at the moment."
Phoebe nods. "We may do that, some day. But as to why you are here?"
I nod.
"We are aware that the maltusians left some of their weapons here when they departed. We intend to make this world into a paradise, something we cannot do if ordnance left by a race of demigods could activate at any moment, at great cost to our people. We would like to request your aid in disarming or removing as much as possible, and confirming that anything left is completely inaccessible."
I nod again.
"That sounds like something I can help with, and I'd be happy to do so. Who exactly is 'we' in this context?"
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Paragon is really really horrible at this whole Diplomacy thing...
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So they're Titan Seeds.
'even be'
Ahh, yeah, you're still hiding that thing, for some reason.
'while ganking'
'ordinance left'
So I'm assuming they're either lying and want the weapons for themselves, or one of the weapons, a Sun Eater, will activate and try to do its thing.
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Yes.
I take it you've heard of him, then? And that makes it clearer that this really isn't the Coeus who fought in the Titanomachy, because that elder's rage would have been apocalyptic... So, then, who are you really?Ah, yes, that makes much more sense. A boy raised on stories of how his parents were overthrown by their offspring, but not having lived it so any rage was second-hand at best. But that raises another question...
Oh, she isn't. Indeed, you should take that as recognition that he was mighty, that it took multiple God to bring him down.
A mere thirty years? That seems very recent. Or is there a measure of relativistic differential going on. As in, they develop slower than a human would and the lad is a couple of thousand years old... Which gives me shudders at the thought of a God spending decades as a toddler.
Sure, that's fine. But if you act at loggerheads with those goals, OL will treat you as an obstacle...
Ooh, it's a good thing they aren't dating. That'd leave him sleeping in the doghouse...
...Who wasn't busy. Well, she was in when you called. Though given the alternatives, I'm not sure any of the Olympians he's friendly with would have been any better.
Yes, that is a thing. Can we please get back on topic for this meeting, folks.
Heh, at this point, any kind of expository lecture would be better than the childish bickering...
Yes, the last thing you want is getting the attention of the Kindly Ones by breaking Hospitality in anger.
YEah, Fear doesn't do much to someone so soaked in Avarice.
...Seriously, how little did you know about him coming in? OR did you just send a messenger to Maltus saying 'Hey, we found some of your stuff, please come and get it before something goes bad?'
I'm guessing you simply forgot that in the heat of the moment...
Rhea in Comics and Mythology, for the record. The interesting thing is who is his father, then?
Of course, that was a foolish assumption to make. It appears she tired of it...
I see he has definite anger issues... Not the best thing for a diplomatic meeting... Which makes me wonder if the others are better or worse.
And I believe her when she says it. Even with her.. annoyance.. at OL and Coeus, I fully expect she would enjoy meeting a long-lost family member...
...Well. That sucks. Ah, you don't think he's being entirely truthful either, do you? I wonder if Rhea found her second band of children (assuming the other Titans here are her offspring as well) as rebellious as her first.
I wouldn't go annoying her by trying anything underhanded, though. She's more likely to eat you.
Well, I don't doubt Helios was impressed with his courage, if nothing else.
Why, I heard he sleeps in pig-pens after his drunken revels! Other survivors of the Titanomachy include Themis (Seen amongst the Titans of Myth in the comics,) Prometheus (Presented as a human in some comics) and Atlas (Who serves as one of the Marvel family's backers.)Including many of the Brazlilian peoples, I bet.
Hopefully not anytime soon, for that visit, I hope... But yes, down to business...
And I picked it right. They found the maltusian factory and want the original owners to clean up after themselves, eh?
Since I doubt it's just you two. Two gods don't make a Pantheon, after all...
And there we have the reason for the call. No doubt the junior Titans aren't happy about the world they picked for a new home turning out to be some elder race's old weapons factory-slash-locker-slash-launch facility. On the upside, at least the Controllers aren't telling them to pack up and leave... Yet. Hopefully OL can prevent trouble from either side.
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Can't forget their people seemed rather frightened.
And a god younger than Paul? Yet undisputed ruler?
Add Maltusian super weapons into the mix...yikes
And a god younger than Paul? Yet undisputed ruler?
Add Maltusian super weapons into the mix...yikes
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"An incomplete truth"? Since it seems more of a begrudging revision to his statement that an addition to it.
Well... someone's a little peeved at the thought/threat of being put in time-out.
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Paul is terrible at it, like absolutely terrible. Gravy is frighteningly good when he's looking for a desired outcome, not just going through the motions for the sake of appearances so he can say "oh dear diplomacy has failed, its slaughtering time"!
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Was recently reading a Marvel story in which the SI, who eventually becomes a god, spends centuries with his children being babies.
Seems to be a thing on Greek mythology.
First Chronus overthrows Ouranos, then Zeus overthrows Chronus, and later Zeus us prophesised to be overthrown by his own kids.
Seems overthrowing a parent is just something that'll always happen to a Greek divinity.
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If Paul is referring to Helios being able to merge with Kon like the Ophidian can with Paul then it should be 'he might be able'.
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Aside from the sun-eaters, from the linked material it seems New Chronus is very much into conquest and waging war. Not as a hat, mind, as a lot of the titan seeds seem like lovely people by ancient Greek standards - but that's where they're at. Might need looking into.
I would presume Paul has about zero knowledge regarding lore behind this situation, and the info package didn't include "Donna Troy gets brainwashed into thinking she's Coeuses wife". So the readers have something of a lore advantage. Then again, this is YJ version so, who knows.
I would presume Paul has about zero knowledge regarding lore behind this situation, and the info package didn't include "Donna Troy gets brainwashed into thinking she's Coeuses wife". So the readers have something of a lore advantage. Then again, this is YJ version so, who knows.
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It could be some random human or random alien.
Though there could also not be a father.
Diana was made using magical means in this story, so maybe Rhea also made them like that.
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I know what I am saying is wrong on every level there is in existence, and there is a 100% chance that I will be wrong, but how hilarious would it be for Zeus to be the father of the new-titans and not know it because for him it was a random fling ?
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I'm now imagining Rhea coming to him in a different form and having sex with him in order to produce children as some form of revenge.
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Thank you, corrected.
That's the problem with Donna having a multiple choice background in the comics. I've already picked an origin and the Si has proven it. This means that the other ones didn't happen.
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The new Titans seem reasonable and asking for something that will genuinely help their worshipers makes them seem like nice gods, but will they stay this way or go the route of most other greek gods.
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"Ordnance" was the correct term. Ordnance is "military supplies including weapons, ammunition, combat vehicles, and maintenance tools and equipment," whereas an ordinance is a law or decree.
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Easiest way to remember is to remember that an ordinance is something that a government has ordained its subjects follow, and the spelling is basically a corruption of "ordainance," i.e., something that someone has ordained.
Sadly, I don't have a snappy way to remember about ordnance, other than it's not a law or other pronouncement of the ruling authority...
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Taking it at face value, being willing to ask for the help of another race of god-like beings to aid their goals and safeguard their subjects make me like them a fair bit more then most stories from mythology.
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Thank you, uncorrected.
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Emperor Palpatine said:
The OG race. Doing crazy hare-brained irresponsible shit.
Waaaaaaaaaaaay before Humans.
Their motto: This cannot possibly go wrong
See: Fallout: New Cronus
Hmmm...
Sungate, Helios namedropped.
wasnt there something about there 'not' being suneaters.
Too many sun related things.
Helios, take your phone off the hook man,
cause I cant see this ending well. Just get in your chariot and just fly away now
Because this
Is sending shivers up my spine
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Is the whole "no longer thinking like a human" thing.
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Just remember that Paul's still a disciple of Eris, diplomacy is a great place for some chaos and discord....in the name of progress of course.
PS: Remember he's inherently chaotic enough to throw off Dr Fate II's order based teleport. It's not just something he does, it's something he IS.
PS: Remember he's inherently chaotic enough to throw off Dr Fate II's order based teleport. It's not just something he does, it's something he IS.
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Unfortunately, ordnance is derived from ordinance, being equipment that soldiers were commanded to have, and the "i" just got dropped at some point in the 14th century. So there's not much help for resolving the confusion...
But if you want a mnemonic trick... A gun can put your i out.
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Do... do mnemonic tricks even work half as well as people hype them up to? Trying to remember the mnemonic always gets in the way of trying to remember what the mnemonic is supposed to help you remember, for me.
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They work. Your struggle suggests you're misusing them. The mnemonic trick isn't supposed to make it work for free. It's meant to be something that's easier to memorize than the thing it's helping you with by tying into other knowledge that you've already established (particularly your innate language skills and your intuitive understanding of how sentences flow). You still have to try to memorize it.
For example, "every good boy does fine" is easier to memorize than "EGBDF" for the lines of the treble staff -- not because you're automatically going to remember the phrase, but because you know that the English language puts adjectives before nouns, subjects before verbs, and objects after verbs, and you have an intuitive understanding of the notion that being good helps you do well. So you're not memorizing arbitrary letters; you're memorizing an idea that fits more naturally into the way your brain processes data.
Another example: "dot right, not left" summarizes the rule for counting significant figures -- if there's a decimal point, then zeroes on the right side of the number count; if there's not, zeroes on the left side of the number count. This one works because if you make a mistake and remember "dot left" then it tells you that it's "not right".
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Ah, to be clear, it's not a lack of effort memorizing the trick, but rather, it's a heck of a lot easier for me to simply remember stuff without overly complicating things by involving mnemonic tricks. They tend to be rather long. Why would I bother memorizing two things, if i can just memorize one instead?