With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

mastermenthe · Nov 23, 2021

FeepingCreature said:
I think the scenario here is more "teenage girls getting close to him and also they're superstrong so nobody can stop them" aaand I realize as I'm writing this that this isn't actually less creepy, is it.

Well maybe a bit.

Isn't that the driving plot device of Tenshi Muyo?

Mr Zoat · Nov 23, 2021

Darko said:
'interested in'

Thank you, corrected.

King of Frost · Nov 23, 2021

This version of Kara is a real treat. Her boundless enthusiasm meshes nicely with OL's more calculated way of talking.

Her golden/silver age ways of thinking and expressing herself are being communicated nicely. And I'm genuinely going to miss her once this Crisis of Infinite Supergirls or whatever is gonna happen is over.

SaltyWaffles · Nov 23, 2021

1moleman said:
This last scene really highlights something that has grown very apparent in this story:

These episodic adventures really have no lasting consequences on the characters. Its been so long since Paul has actually had something that affected him for more than a few chapters, most of the time he is back to usual within a few chapters, and if it moves to the next arc it is instantly forgotten.

One thing I enjoyed about the start of this story is the progress the characters made in their developement: examples: Kon finding he doesn't need to compare to superman and finding a family, the whole Zatana debacle, even the whole dies->heaven arc was some character growth (if limited) but now it really seems like Paul is increasingly becoming less a character and more of a lens to comment on various other comics.

I dont even remember when last Jade was even in a chapter but Paul is still pining after her, it feels increasingly disconnected from the DC universe.

Yeah, I fully agree with this. The story increasingly feels like a string of isolated episodes with little to nothing bridging them together.

mastermenthe · Nov 23, 2021

New Kara acts like a player character.
Specifically, New Kara acts like a friend-insert story protagonist player character.
Specifically, she behaves and talks and succeeds in her actions identically to the friend insert protagonist of Mama Snek In Brockton Bay.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/mama-snek-in-bb-worm-friend-insert-ft-passive_soul.932718/

dxdragon · Nov 23, 2021

You know...with all this Demon!Earth talk, and the possibility of the 2 worlds interacting, this would be a great time to introduce Raven.

Chojin Patriarch · Nov 23, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
16th September 2012
13:24 GMT -5

I can't help but smile as I look down on the Earth. Sure, Jade had to go to work, so we didn't really have time to discuss things in detail, but… Yeah, feeling good. I-.

There's a near-hurricane force wind, and then New Kara is floating in front of me.

I shudder at the atmospheric effects she just unleashed with that little flight. I suspect the hurricane/typhoon/cyclone season is going to be a little more exciting this year... Girl might need some lessons about safe speeds for atmospheric flight, at least without some kind of intangibility tricks...

"Hey, Paul! How's Kara doing?"

"Which one?"

Heh. That's not going to get confusing at all, is it?

Her eyes widen. "Is Demongirl talking?"

"Ah, yes, but she's not responding to external stimuli."

Still largely trapped in her own head, eh? Not an unreasonable reaction to what she's likely been through.

She tilts her head to the left. "So how do you know her name's Kara?"

"Basic pattern recognition. She not just a Supergirl, she's a kryptonian Supergirl. Based on all of the examples I have, those are called 'Kara'. But, yes, technically I don't know for certain."

For clarity's sake, I'll call her Kara-666...

She smiles, tilting her head back proudly.

"Then I'm technically right, and that's the best kind of right!"

Boy, I bet everyone she interacts with ends up feeling kind of tired, seeing all that energy...

"Sure. I don't know that her name's 'Kara'. The other Kara is recovering."

"So are you two going to date now?"

...Kara-16's nice, but not really OL's type. That is, formerly villainous.

"No. Still dating Jade."

She looks at me uncertainly. "Are you dating Jade? I was starting to think she was Canadian."

...Either the fake girlfriend thing is older than I thought, or she's been reading up on modern culture. Probably took all of five minutes, barring website loading times.

"Yes, and after a brief talk about our relationship, we're going to be moving in together in the Darkstars barracks."

She blinks. "Are her parents okay about that?"

...Ah, old-fashioned values. Just point out that Jade is an adult, and makes her own decisions...

"Ah… Her mother is? … Did you want something?"

"Yes. I… Kinda need a job? Or something?"

What, not going into the superheroing business? Or would she not be suitable for the team? Heck, she could use the 'Power Girl' name!

"Oh, right."

"I've got plenty of qualifications but none of them of them are for Earth and… All my referees are dead. I could probably stay in High Admiral Har-Zod's asteroid, but it wasn't really designed for long-term habitation."

And that's one of the reasons Silver Age Supergirl got set up in an orphanage: learning human (Read: American!) culture and getting high-school credentials... Though another reason was probably that having a teenage cousin hanging around would really mess with Clark Kent's trolling.

Superdickery takes time, after all.

"Your Zor-El didn't send you with a device to seed your own Fortress of Solitude?"

"I would still need somewhere to put it, and everywhere is owned by someone."

What, don't want to be Kal's next-door neighbour?

"Not everywhere. Plenty of space in Bir Tawil. The sand should be enough for your c-."

Uh! Crushing!

Thank goodness for the natural armouring qualities of the environmental shields... He might have to regenerate a couple of ribs, though...

"I can move in with you?! Thank you!"

There's a little more meat on this Kara than on Old Kara, and it's currently pressed against me as she celebrates her new residency. Alright, use the rings.

Remember, Kara here - depending on original universe - either becomes Power Girl (She of the big Kryptonian physique...) or simply starts running around in hot pants or really short skirts (Thank you, Seventies comics!) Naturally, she's, uh... Better built than the local variant, who spent years in cold-sleep, wasting away...

"While you can live in the trade post if you want, it's more that I was offering you somewhere to plant your crystals."

"I can live there while it grows?"

Depending on the era of Kryptonian crystal technology, that could be hours.

"Certainly. It'll add visual interest."

She leans back, grinning.

"So we'll be roomies?!"

Whoa, there, girl.

"Ah-. No, as I said, I'll be living with Jade in the Darkstar barracks, so you'll… Pretty much have the place to yourself."

"Oh." She sinks in the air, mood subdued. "That sounds lonely. Are there any cute animals?"

Also something Supergirl was known for: Super-powered animal friends! Streaky the Super-cat and Comet the Super-horse...

"No, not really. There's basically nothing there; that's why no country actually wants it. You could.. always build a habitat?"

"Then I could have all the animals I want!"

...Yes, no way that enthusiasm couldn't go wrong...

"All the animals you can look after, certainly. Ah… Kara." I frown. "I've been meaning to ask: I don't seem to be able to see your emotions. You sound very upbeat, but if you're feeling-."

"Torquasm." She nods. "Uncle Jor was a huge fan of ancient Kryptonian society, and Grandpa Seyg actually let him study things like that, so he really encouraged us to learn it. It'll be fun to work on it with Angelika!"

Oh, boy... If she wasn't bad enough already... Imagine her with martial arts that let her literally give physics a wedgie...

"I'll be nice for her to have access to someone who could study the original texts. Ah, I don't.. really have anything that needs my attention right now, so I can help-"

"Connection made to monitored phone line."

...Saved by the bell! I take it Truggs has recovered already...

"-you… Move in. Sorry. Answer?"

"Hey. Paul."

Truggs.

Welp, time for more gloating.

"Nice. Trick. With. Super. Hearing. Have. To. Use. Voice. Modulator. And. Even. Better. Sound. Proofing.

"Why are you phoning me, Truggs?"

...And now I'm imagining him with the Emperor's robo-voice from Text-To-Speech...

"I'm. Explaining. My. Plan. We."

"I'm not interesting in listening to you w-."

Yeah, kind of wore out your welcome when you set loose a demonically-tainted Supergirl with homicidal programming...

I glance at Kara.

"Pleasure yourself to the sound of your own voice, Truggs. I'd put up with it if I thought there was any chance of you turning your back on the Light, but that's clearly not going to happen."

The next time they meet is not going to be pretty. I rather hope OL doesn't even engage him in conversation, except for one word: "Assimilate."

"Demon. Supergirl. There. Are. More. Where. She. Came. From."

"Obviously."

Still not sure why you grabbed her, really. A weapon you can't control is kind of worthless.

"They. Know. We. Took. Her. And. They. Know. Where. We. Are."

"Why am I not surprised?"

...Shiiiiit. And you still thought it was a good idea to grab her anyway, Truggsy?

"Supervillain."

I could ask 'why?', but I don't suppose that it matters at this stage. There are plenty of reasons for travelling between parallel universes, and I can't check his motivation.

Time to get to work on a more comprehensive dimensional blocking setup. Something more global.

"You. Could. Send. Her. Back."

"I'll check with an expert or two, but I really doubt that Demon Earth will just give up like that. If they can reach us, we'll become their next expansion target. It's not worth trying to give them anything to delay things."

Idiots like Truggs aren't known for their ability to predict consequences. Better start making plans to kill a Daemon World, OL... I'm sure Dox has some ideas, or even Kalmin.

Give him a chance to work out some omnicidial urges...

"Your. Choice."

"No, it's not, and I'll be warning the Justice League."

At least this isn't OL's fault this time.

"Thank. You. For. Getting. Rid. Of. The. Legion. Not. Thank. You. For-."

"Just go away, Truggs. End."

Yep, his patience for Truggs' bullshit is done. Seriously, next time, OL, just eat him and be done with it.

Well, that little discovery puts a dampener on events. Looks like OL might want to get on with finding Constantine, get some major magical whammy to help fight off the eventual interdimensional demonic invasion... Calling Noriel and Zauriel might help too. Even if they're on the outs with Heaven, they might be able to pass word upstairs.

Darko · Nov 23, 2021

dxdragon said:
You know...with all this Demon!Earth talk, and the possibility of the 2 worlds interacting, this would be a great time to introduce Raven.

I think Zoat mentioned Raven being introduced in year 5 or 6.

Ngamer11 · Nov 23, 2021

dxdragon said:
You know...with all this Demon!Earth talk, and the possibility of the 2 worlds interacting, this would be a great time to introduce Raven.

She'll show up in the Renegade timeline as a student of the Shade. I think Mr Zoat said she only shows up at the end of the Paragon timeline

Darko · Nov 23, 2021

Chojin Patriarch said:
I shudder at the atmospheric effects she just unleashed with that little flight. I suspect the hurricane/typhoon/cyclone season is going to be a little more exciting this year... Girl might need some lessons about safe speeds for atmospheric flight, at least without some kind of intangibility tricks

Wouldn't be too weird if her powers prevented that from happening.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Boy, I bet everyone she interacts with ends up feeling kind of tired, seeing all that energy

She may fit in on Tamaran though.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Kara-16's nice, but not really OL's type. That is, formerly villainous.

Yeah, Paul tends to fall for girls he can 'fix'.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Either the fake girlfriend thing is older than I thought, or she's been reading up on modern culture. Probably took all of five minutes, barring website loading times

Or they also intercepted signals from the more modern Earth.

Chojin Patriarch said:
What, not going into the superheroing business? Or would she not be suitable for the team? Heck, she could use the 'Power Girl' name!

Part of being a superhero is usually having a secret identity and a job to go with it.

Chojin Patriarch said:
What, don't want to be Kal's next-door neighbour?

Maybe the crystal palace thing can't work near another one.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Oh, boy... If she wasn't bad enough already... Imagine her with martial arts that let her literally give physics a wedgie...

Her powers already let her do it.

Chojin Patriarch said:
And now I'm imagining him with the Emperor's robo-voice from Text-To-Speech...

And Paul is his Little Kitten.

Or his Magnus, since Paul is very smug.

We can only hope Truggs is sexually harassed by his subordinates.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Yeah, kind of wore out your welcome when you set loose a demonically-tainted Supergirl with homicidal programming

I think he wore off his welcome when he showed up.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Still not sure why you grabbed her, really. A weapon you can't control is kind of worthless.

Maybe to study her to see how hell magic affects Kryptonians, or to see where she came from and how she showed up.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Shiiiiit. And you still thought it was a good idea to grab her anyway, Truggsy?

He may not have known that her people knew of her abduction.

Chojin Patriarch said:
Well, that little discovery puts a dampener on events. Looks like OL might want to get on with finding Constantine, get some major magical whammy to help fight off the eventual interdimensional demonic invasion... Calling Noriel and Zauriel might help too. Even if they're on the outs with Heaven, they might be able to pass word upstairs

Zauriel and Loriel may be on good terms with Heaven.

Zauriel is on Earth to help his brethren learn better morality and see whether to take a bite of the fruit.

Prince Charon · Nov 23, 2021

FeepingCreature said:
I think the scenario here is more "teenage girls getting close to him and also they're superstrong so nobody can stop them" aaand I realize as I'm writing this that this isn't actually less creepy, is it.

Well maybe a bit.

I think it just changes who is being creepy, really.

Someguy Somewhere · Nov 23, 2021

Depending on how much regeneration Truggs has done, I sort of see him typing this with a pen in his mouth.

Doccer · Nov 23, 2021

Darko said:
You're right even if you're not fully right.

I prefer: I don't have to be right, I just have to prove you're wrong.

If it was me I'd pick a giant rock in space and grow the crystals there. Then shield it to\from everyone but me. Use the vacuum of space as my first line of defense.

theaceoffire · Nov 23, 2021

Handlewithcare said:
Was Truggs only purpose here to warn of Demon Earth?

I think part of it was to prove to Paul he isn't scared and can adapt to his methods. Me thinks he wants Paul impressed of him.

So be careful to not show too much disdain Paul, or he will go all yandere on your ass

How on Earth can Truggs even hide!?

He has to hire something right? At this point it's probably worth going full orange for a few seconds and stopping someone who's so talented that they're able to avoid multiple heroes for multiple realities easily!

Letting him run around is just asking for some real problems later on.

jasonh23761 · Nov 23, 2021

Oh Truggs, you had so much potential but then you had to firmly grasp the stupid evil ball with both hands and beat an old woman to death with it.

I will not miss you when you end up dying as a result of your reach exceeding your grasp. I hope it's something embarrassing.

Note: To be clear I'm not coming after Zoat for how Truggs is handled so much as how much I dislike how Truggs conducts himself in the Paragon timeline. I found renegade Truggs much more tolerable that time he got to play off of Renegade and Lex.

Darko · Nov 23, 2021

theaceoffire said:
How on Earth can Truggs even hide!

The guy has access to advanced tech and has a powerful magic user working for him.

jasonh23761 said:
Oh Truggs, you had so much potential but then you had to firmly grasp the stupid evil ball and beat an old woman to death with it.

I will not miss you when you end up dying or as a result of your reach exceeding your grasp. I hope it's something embarrassing.

Note: To be clear I'm not coming after Zoat for how Truggs is handled so much as how much I dislike how Truggs conducts himself in the Paragon timeline. I found renegade Truggs much more tolerable that time he got to play off of Renegade and Lex.

I'm kinda hoping to see his reaction when he finds out that the Light, the group he's working for and who he considers to be the ones that can advance Earth, is the one that brings the Reach, the ones who nearly destroyed human civilization, to Earth.

Silveraith · Nov 23, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
All my referees are dead

References.

BartlettMagic · Nov 23, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
"Then I'm technically right, and that's the best kind of right!"

insufferable

Mr Zoat said:
"I've been meaning to ask: I don't seem to be able to see your emotions. You sound very upbeat, but if you're feeling-."

oh, well that explains it, she's a sociopath

Mr Zoat said:
"Torquasm."

nah. i know what i'm going to choose to believe about this particular Kara from now on. two steps away from Homelander.

Ngamer11 · Nov 23, 2021

Mr Zoat, will New Kara become a member of the Team? Also, can we please have another descriptor or nickname so that we won't confuse Old Kara, New Kara, and Demon Kara?

Mr Zoat · Nov 23, 2021

Silveraith said:
References.

Referees are people who provide references.

Also umpires.

Ngamer11 said:
Mr Zoat, will New Kara become a member of the Team? Also, can we please have another descriptor or nickname so that we won't confuse Old Kara, New Kara, and Demon Kara?

Pre-Crisis Supergirl was called Kara Zor-L, so you could call her that?

Ngamer11 · Nov 23, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
Pre-Crisis Supergirl was called Kara-L, so you could cal her that?

I kinda meant something that would be used in-universe, so that they can differentiate who they're talking about, because just saying Kara where there are technically 3 of them will be confusing. Also, I thought both the Old and New Karas' full names are the same: Kara Zor-El. Or does the New Kara have a slightly different spelling for her name?

Mr Zoat · Nov 23, 2021

Ngamer11 said:
I kinda meant something that would be used in-universe, so that they can differentiate who they're talking about, because just saying Kara where there are technically 3 of them will be confusing. Also, I thought both the Old and New Karas' full names are the same: Kara Zor-El. Or does the New Kara have a slightly different spelling for her name?

Thank you, corrected.

The difference is that one is Kara Zor-El and the other would be Kara Zor-L.

Bigreader · Nov 23, 2021

I caught up with a year-and-a-half of story lot of comments and questions I could have asked but it's a year-and-a-half of story so I can only bring up the most recent. So was this tall second Nazi world ever transported to the whole Krona mess if not why? And how come over girl didn't seem to know about him? Cuz if Paul had known about him and known he was in prison he probably would have freed him.

Darko · Nov 23, 2021

Bigreader said:
I caught up with a year-and-a-half of story lot of comments and questions I could have asked but it's a year-and-a-half of story so I can only bring up the most recent. So was this tall second Nazi world ever transported to the whole Krona mess if not why? And how come over girl didn't seem to know about him? Cuz if Paul had known about him and known he was in prison he probably would have freed him.

He probably wasn't transported.

As for why he wasn't, well not every Paul was transported there, luke Fallout Paul, so I guess Krona didn't need him.

And Angelika may not have heard of him either because he came after she went away, or there was no reason for her to know about him since he's only had two encounters with the Reichsmen and lost both, so he may not have been viewed as a priority.

The ones that took him down may know about him and it may be in the records, but they may not have told Angelika and she may not have read the records.

Mr Zoat · Nov 23, 2021

Bigreader said:
I caught up with a year-and-a-half of story lot of comments and questions I could have asked but it's a year-and-a-half of story so I can only bring up the most recent. So was this tall second Nazi world ever transported to the whole Krona mess if not why? And how come over girl didn't seem to know about him? Cuz if Paul had known about him and known he was in prison he probably would have freed him.

I'm..? Sorry? Something isn't right there.

Vaermina · Nov 23, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
"I'm. Explaining. My. Plan. We."

"I'm not interested in listening to you w-."

It amuses me greatly how Paragon always turns into a sulky teen when dealing with Truggs.

Bigreader · Nov 23, 2021

Mr Zoat said:
I'm..? Sorry? Something isn't right there.

Sorry I often use voice to text to type these things out on my phone. I was asking if the Paul in the Nazi world was taken during the event crossover that involved Krona and if not why not also how come the Supergirl Overgirl from Nazi worlds didn't know about him?

Bigreader · Nov 23, 2021

Darko said:
He probably wasn't transported.

As for why he wasn't, well not every Paul was transported there, luke Fallout Paul, so I guess Krona didn't need him.

And Angelika may not have heard of him either because he came after she went away, or there was no reason for her to know about him since he's only had two encounters with the Reichsmen and lost both, so he may not have been viewed as a priority.

The ones that took him down may know about him and it may be in the records, but they may not have told Angelika and she may not have read the records.

So now my question is how did he lose did he not have a lantern to recharge with? I would assume he didn't but we've since then seen that some versions of Paul do come with both a power ring and a lantern for recharging. I know it's not impossible to lose but we've seen our versions of Paul be so super competent that I'm kind of wondering how that version lost.

Darko · Nov 23, 2021

Bigreader said:
So now my question is how did he lose did he not have a lantern to recharge with? I would assume he didn't but we've since then seen that some versions of Paul do come with both a power ring and a lantern for recharging. I know it's not impossible to lose but we've seen our versions of Paul be so super competent that I'm kind of wondering how that version lost.

I'm not sure we've seen a version that came with a Lantern.

Well maybe Saul, but aside from him the other got Lanterns from somewhere else, or used other methods to recharge.

Also this Paul apparently was beaten shortly after he came to Nazi World and after he was broken out he was defeated shortly afterwards as well.

He didn't have a Lantern or much time to become competent.

Bigreader · Nov 23, 2021

Actually I think it was one of the Warhammer lanterns that had a personal lantern I don't know whether was Warhammer fantasy or Warhammer 40K but I think one of them did.

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