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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Did Paul really build a party for a raid to a demon earth without a single Magic user?
Is he concussed?
I concur. He did was far more prepared going to witch world than this.
What makes you think that they aren't?
The fact they've made no mention of going into space before shifting? They were with Dr. Balewa when he sent them thru. No suggestions of moving it upwards. Then no mention of space or Paul creating a environment shield to explain their ability to talk in a place with no atmosphere. Let alone how Demon Superman speaks to them without air to transfer the vibrations.
See, my first start would have been to drop mega-spelleaters from orbit or something.
Sounds good! Paul should really get those made.
Points for thinking to ping the local Lantern Corps, though I doubt the bobbleheads will offer you any aid.
Probably should have offered them information in exchange.
"You're in a restricted area, Lantern. Leave now."

"I'm an Orange Lantern from a parallel universe. Please send whatever records you have relating to Earth, and ping the Guardians for the secure stuff."

"I am highly sceptical of your claims."

"You can check whether or not I'm a Green Lantern easily enough and you already know my location. If I'm already on Earth, there's no further downside to giving me information."

"It is a deathworld ruled by monsters."

"Yes, that's why we're here. Anything you can do to help would be appreciated. Thank you, goodbye."
The only thing I really think he should have included if nothing else was telling him why they were here. Not that the planet is ruled by monsters but that the planet of monsters has been invading parallel Earth's. Are the GLC fine with other Earth's suffering this fate? They supposedly already fought and loss once. Do they wanna face a force stockpiled with the corrupted versions of their now enemies from hundreds of Earths?
 
"His sister Helga was the closest I had to a stable mother figure. I found out later that it was deliberate; they did not want their 'Man of Tomorrow' to feel personal loyalty to any one person. Other than the Fuhrer, but it was clear to all but the most ideologically blind that he could not raise a child."
Is Overman referring to Hitler or Ubersmech when he says "He could not raise a child"
 
The fact they've made no mention of going into space before shifting? They were with Dr. Balewa when he sent them thru. No suggestions of moving it upwards. Then no mention of space or Paul creating a environment shield to explain their ability to talk in a place with no atmosphere. Let alone how Demon Superman speaks to them without air to transfer the vibrations.

Unless I missed them going somewhere else the portal is on The Watchtower. They are likely to at least in Earth's upper atmosphere though give that Paul was visually examining a broken dam even though the local magic is interfering with his rings.
 
16th September 2012
19:26 GMT


Back on Earth Prime, there once was a deal between Marvel and Detective Comics wherein they gave each other the opportunity to use near-copies of each others characters.

DC took Doctor Octopus, Magneto and Doctor Doom and made Gorgon, Doctor Diehard and Lord Havok. I never read any of the original comics, but they were brought back briefly when the Captain Atom version of Monarch went on a rampage in a fairly pointless crossover event that didn't go anywhere.

Marvel took the Justice League and made Squadron Supreme, which I didn't read either. But years later they brought them back in Supreme Power, which started strong and then sort of stopped. I bought the first couple of collections because I liked…

I'm not sure there was really so much as a deal as a general agreement not so sue each other for 'similar' characters. I mean the separation between your examples of this 'deal', Squadron Supreme from '71 and The Extremists from '08 was 37 years

People like to remark on Marvel ripping off characters from DC (Such as the Squadron Supreme) while ignoring that characters like Namor McKenzie predated Arthur Curry by about 2 years and the two have VERY similar origin stories. Granted DC's use of Marvel characters was (mostly) confined to their satire books (Like the appearance a version of the Fantastic 4, among other Marvel characters in the immortal Inferior Five.)

Seriously though, Zoat, you NEED to do a Paul variation who somehow ends up becoming the 6th member of the Inferior Five. Maybe with a less than optimal ring of some kind. Watching Paul trying to deal with Athena Tremor (Dumb Bunny) would be worth the price of admission all by itself, as would Paul commiserating with Myron Victor (Merryman) over the pointless of it all.
 
In my head I'm picturing Trigon-Superman as Earth-Hell Superman.
 
I mean, DC and Marvel still do pastiches to each other from time to time.

One of the more on the nose ones that come to mind was from Batman Beyond ( Batman of the Future, for those overseas).

Meet the Terrific Trio!

latest
 
It feels like a poorly planned and rushed party with the wrong equipment when the only credible magic expert is basically Paul and he's basically a hobbyist.

It is somewhat refreshing to see him make a tactical mistake this large but seems out of character given his typical overpreparedness.
Paragon has spent the past year plus just powering through or ignoring everything that's annoyed him.

So this shouldn't surprise you.
 
I figure the reason why the four of them went so quickly was due to how they had two Supermen, and Overgirl, who share the connection of being a common denominator in why the demons are invading Earth. Not to mention Superman-16 seems eager to prove EvilNabu wrong, Superman-10 is ready to find some sort of redemption in saving lives to make up for the lives he couldn't save especially at the hands of the nazis, and in the time it takes to put a proper team together the Supermen could have targeted the main threat and save more lives.

Plus Paul for all his actions in building a rapport with others doesn't mean they have to listen to him, many of these people are grown adults who can make their own choices. And if they want to fight a demonically possessed Superman than there's little he can do but slow them down long enough for back up to arrive.
 
Pre industrial revolution
"Pre-Industrial Revolution" -- Yes, I know that it looks like this means a revolution that was pre-industrial. "Pre-Industrial-Revolution" is technically incorrect but sometimes attested as a way to avoid that interpretation. (Pedantically speaking, this ambiguity is resolved by using "Preindustrial Revolution" if you really mean that.)

But hyphen(s) or not, it's still a proper noun, so it needs capitalized.

There aren't that many metahumans capable of flight in the world; perhaps a thousand at most.
Comma instead of semicolon.
 
"Pre-Industrial Revolution" -- Yes, I know that it looks like this means a revolution that was pre-industrial. "Pre-Industrial-Revolution" is technically incorrect but sometimes attested as a way to avoid that interpretation. (Pedantically speaking, this ambiguity is resolved by using "Preindustrial Revolution" if you really mean that.)

But hyphen(s) or not, it's still a proper noun, so it needs capitalized.


Comma instead of semicolon.
Thank you, corrected.
 
I'm not sure there was really so much as a deal as a general agreement not so sue each other for 'similar' characters. I mean the separation between your examples of this 'deal', Squadron Supreme from '71 and The Extremists from '08 was 37 year

First of all the Extremists were introduced in 1990. Which was post mortem for most of them because the Dormammu expy was the only one who survived nuclear armageddon.

Second of all they are villains of the Champions of Angor, Avenger expies from 1971.

Blue Jay, the Yellowjacket expy, and Silver Sorceress, the Scarlet Witch expy, even joined the Justice league.
 
Past Participant (part 15)
16th September 2012
19:29 GMT


No, not a-

I fly up and invert, putting the flight path of the-

-harpy, the head is the wrong shape.

-creature below me. As it completes its lunge I punch down, my gauntlet hitting it in the back just between the wing joints.

"Gwk!"

I didn't feel anything break, but it's flying a good deal less steadily now. Hm, tougher than normal muscle without being super tough. Puts me a little in mind of the manhawks, or the aven from Magic: the Gathering. Bird people. So they fly with wings. Simple enough.

Three fly at Angelika but she pirouettes through the sky, striking wings and heads with relative gentleness, causing them to tumble down through the air without falling to their deaths. The birdpeople aren't wearing the 'S', so presumably they're not on Demon Superman's side.

"Do you have some way-"

She swerves, grabs a forearm and leg and swings her assailant into her neighbour.

"-to bind them?"

Er, okay, amount of lift required to keep a humanoid body in the air… Chains that bind their arms and legs that their claws-

Two scrabble at my construct shield as Overman and Superman recover enough to throw off the bird people trying to dog pile them. I see a few shallow cuts, but-

Two red rays blast from Overman's eyes, precisely trimming feathers from three of the closest and causing them to plummet towards the ground.

-nothing serious. The claws clearly have magic-enhanced sharpness, but if that wasn't enough of an edge-

Superman opts to open his mouth and the air before him turns to ice. It doesn't appear to disable any of our attackers, but the ones exposed to it are backing off in a hurry.

-to kill them, I think we can be confident that we have their measure. The ones attacking my barrier are piercing the construct but they aren't making it fall apart in the way some magic effects do.

-can't reach around to remove, while not being so heavy that they can't at least somewhat control their descent. I evade another birdman and then wrap him in construct chains.

"Gkhhharrr!"

Okay, titanium with carbon nanotubes should be strong enough, lock his forearms behind his back, bind them to the base of his wings to make flapping awkward and add iron weights and release. As required, the birdman falls but with one bitter glance up at me gets his wings into a glide position.

"It's a bit-"

I generate a construct mace and thump a birdwoman in the chest.

"-of a fiddle, but I can-"

Another bird shimmers into being behind Superman. He catches it around the throat and hurls it at one of its ice-coated colleagues. That's… Interesting. How are they teleporting here? They aren't teleporting around the combat zone themselves, so presumably something else is teleporting them to here. Okay, railgun, load mage slayers, see if I can get a shot through-.

"Orange Lantern." Superman gets hold of another bird person and-

Snap!

"G-caw!"

-breaks their wing part way along its length before dropping the owner. Another semi-controlled descent to the ground.

"Focus on undoing whatever demon magic-"

Angelika checks over Overman's wounds before copying his attack of choice, burning feathers with flashes from her eyes.

"-is controlling them. We can fight them just fine."

"Sir."

Al-right then. I fly down, catching up with the birdman I chained up.

"Hello there. Can you understand what I'm saying?"

Something about him -probably the magic running through his skin- is keeping me from getting a precise scan, but as far as I can tell he should be a sophont. The cranial volume and humanoid frame, combined with the tactical abilities and purpose they've displayed are strongly indicative, and I can't see any sign of remote external control.

"I've been authorised to experiment on you with magic. If you verbally respond, it's much likely to be a productive exchange."

Still nothing, though he tries to alter his flight path away from me and his eyes are moving around as he desperately looks for a way out. I'm not seeing fear, but that might just be due to the disruption.

Well, I've still got this railg-.

The sky above me turns red, the shield construct I had up there is destroyed and about a dozen birdmen are incinerated. Huh. Well-.

"You! You have brought his wrath!"

"Possibly." I shoot him in the chest, and the runes on his claws fade away. "But there's not much you can do about it other than persuade us to leave."

Though I am wondering how Demon Superman can see us. We're over the horizon, so unless he's firing through-.

Ring?

Oh. He's firing through the planet's crust. I can see the line of steam where he's boiled the waters of the Pacific. Right, there's nothing stopping him seeing me, but if he's using some sort of magic detection then he's blind to me.

"What did you do to my blessing!?"

"Nullified it. So is this your natural form?"

"Yes! We are not weak humans!"

"And not a demon. Interesting. Why did you attack us?"

"We cannot survive the Demon Superman's wrath! You are drawing it!"

"But if he just kills us, what's the problem for you?"

"For years he has just sat there! The last thing we want is for him to awaken!"

"And you couldn't have just told us that?"

"Mortal beings fighting amongst themselves amuses him. He would be content to watch."

"You don't appear to have the force to bring us down. Given that, would you be prepared to call the attack off? You can send us somewhere more dangerous and give someone else a chance to kill us?"

"Why are you even here?"

"Someone in this parallel opened a portal to the alternate reality we live in. We're here to stop the problem at the source."

"You want to fight the Demon Superman?"

"Purify him, ideally. But yes."

The bird man considers that.

"Unbind me, and I will take your words to our leader. He may decide to deal with you. Or he may destroy you himself."

I smile. "Deal."
 
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tough. Puts me a little in mind of a little in mind of the manhawks

Remove one 'a little in mind"

Chains that bind their arms and leg that their claws-

'and legs'

presumably some else is teleporting them to here. Okay, railgun, load spell eaters,

'someone'

Okay, railgun, load spell eaters, see if I can get a shot through-.

I though he used mage slayers for the railgun.

Though I am wondering how Demon Superman can see us. We're over the horizon, so unless he's firing through-.

Either it's this universes version of bullshit Kryptonian powers or it's part of his demon enhanced power set.
 
Two red rays blast from Overman's eyes, precisely trimming feathers from three of the closest and causing them to plummet towards the ground.

-nothing serious. The claws clearly have magic-enhanced sharpness, but if that wasn't enough of an edge-

Superman opts to open his mouth and the air before him turns to ice. It doesn't appear to disable any of our attackers, but the ones exposed to it are backing of in a hurry.

-to kill them, I think we can be confident that we have their measure. The ones attacking my barrier are piercing the construct but they aren't making it fall apart in the way some magic effects do.

-can't reach around to remove, while not being so heavy that they can't at least somewhat control their descent. I evade another birdman and then wrap him in construct chains.
I'm not sure but I think you're missing a closing - somewhere in this. Looking at the "-nothing serious " line there's a closing -, followed later by an opening - and, later still another opening -.
-brakes their wing part way along its length
brakes -> breaks
 
16th September 2012
19:29 GMT


No, not a-

I fly up and invert, putting the flight path of the-
It's amazing how few metaphysically powered flyers ignore the laws of aerodynamics and gravity like that. Makes it much easier to mess with natural flyers. Same way nearly all fights in space seem to align to one horizontal plane and shared Z-axis...

-harpy, the head is the wrong shape.

-creature below me. As it completes its lunge I punch down, my gauntlet hitting it in the back just between the wing joints.
Hmm... Few winged humanoid races in primary DC Earths like this. Northstar's people?

"Gwk!"

I didn't feel anything break, but it's flying a good deal less steadily now. Hm, tougher than normal muscle without being super tough. Puts me a little in mind of a little in mind of the manhawks, or the aven from Magic: the Gathering. Bird people. So they fly with wings. Simple enough.
Huh, yup. It's believable that they might escape the Daemons predations, since they stick to high altitudes and latitudes.

Three fly at Angelika but she pirouettes through the sky, striking wings and heads with relative gentleness, causing them to tumble down through the air without falling to their deaths. The birdpeople aren't wearing the 'S', so presumably they're not on Demon Superman's side.

"Do you have some way-"
Every downed flier means at least one other has to peel off to rescue them... Smart move.

She swerves, grabs a forearm and leg and swings her assailant into her neighbour.

"-to bind them?"
Heh. He's kind of spoiled for choice, even with demon magic in the air.

Er, okay, amount of lift required to keep a humanoid body in the air… Chains that bind their arms and leg that their claws-

Two scrabble at my construct shield as Overman and Superman recover enough to throw off the bird people trying to dog pile them. I see a few shallow cuts, but-
Worrying, but not major. I doubt they'd put poison on their talons...

Two red rays blast from Overman's eyes, precisely trimming feathers from three of the closest and causing them to plummet towards the ground.

-nothing serious. The claws clearly have magic-enhanced sharpness, but if that wasn't enough of an edge-
Ooof, talk about clipped wings. Those ones might be grounded for some time...

Superman opts to open his mouth and the air before him turns to ice. It doesn't appear to disable any of our attackers, but the ones exposed to it are backing of in a hurry.

-to kill them, I think we can be confident that we have their measure. The ones attacking my barrier are piercing the construct but they aren't making it fall apart in the way some magic effects do.
:confused: ...Yeah, this seems odd. Unless Supes himself is caught off guard, it might work better if Overman tries the breath and Supes the beams. Or have Supes looks surprised for a moment, as if he didn't realise he could do that... o_O Or maybe it's something he learned via Torquasm classes?

-can't reach around to remove, while not being so heavy that they can't at least somewhat control their descent. I evade another birdman and then wrap him in construct chains.

"Gkhhharrr!"
Boy, talk about multiple trains of thought. Interesting that the ring isn't translating, unless they aren't really saying anything...

Okay, titanium with carbon nanotubes should be strong enough, lock his forearms behind his back, bind them to the base of his wings to make flapping awkward and add iron weights and release. As required, the birdman falls but with one bitter glance up at me gets his wings into a glide position.

"It's a bit-"
That works. At least he isn't falling outright, so... Mercy win?

I generate a construct mace and thump a birdwoman in the chest.

"-of a fiddle, but I can-"
Heh. Does it happen to look like a Thanagarian mace, for that ironic 'Only I get this joke' moment?

Another bird shimmers into being behind Superman. He catches it around the throat and hurls it at one of its ice-coated colleagues. That's… Interesting. How are they teleporting here? They aren't teleporting around the combat zone themselves, so presumably some else is teleporting them to here. Okay, railgun, load spell eaters, see if I can get a shot through-.

"Orange Lantern." Superman gets hold of another bird person and-
Sounds like a friendly mage on their side. Might want to try and talk them down, then. The fact you're not killing anyone might help in that respect.

Snap!

"G-caw!"

-brakes their wing part way along its length before dropping the owner. Another semi-controlled descent to the ground.
:eek: Ow. Okay, not killing, but that has to hurt. Guess Supes is kind of okay with getting rough if they aren't human...

"Focus on undoing whatever demon magic-"

Angelika checks over Overman's wounds before copying his attack of choice, burning feathers with flashes from her eyes.
Like father, like daughter. Why do I get the feeling this is something they've done before?

"-is controlling them. We can fight them just fine."

"Sir."

Al-right then. I fly down, catching up with the birdman I chained up.
The Kryptonians seem to have things well in hand, after all...

"Hello there. Can you understand what I'm saying?"

Something about him -probably the magic running through his skin- is keeping me from getting a precise scan, but as far as I can tell he should be a sophont. The cranial volume and humanoid frame, combined with the tactical abilities and purpose they've displayed are strongly indicative, and I can't see any sign of remote external control.
Ah, OL. Only you could casually chat with someone trying to kill you not a moment ago so easily.

"I've been authorised to experiment on you with magic. If you verbally respond, it's much likely to be a productive exchange."

Still nothing, though he tries to alter his flight path away from me and his eyes are moving around as he desperately looks for a way out. I'm not seeing fear, but that might just be due to the disruption.
Getting the feeling Empathic Vision will be very unreliable here, because of the demonic taint...

Well, I've still got this railg-.

The sky above me turns red, the shield construct I had up there is destroyed and about a dozen birdmen are incinerated. Huh. Well-.
...And Demon-Superman sticking his oar in. Goes to show you how powerful he is, at least.

"You! You have brought his wrath!"

"Possibly." I shoot him in the chest, and the runes on his claws fade away. "But there's not much you can do about it other than persuade us to leave."
Can't really blame them for messing up, as unprepared as they were.

Though I am wondering how Demon Superman can see us. We're over the horizon, so unless he's firing through-.

Ring?

Oh. He's firing through the planet's crust. I can see the line of steam where he's boiled the waters of the Pacific. Right, there's nothing stopping him seeing me, but if he's using some sort of magic detection then he's blind to me.
:eek: ...Really powerful, it seems. More evidence that the demon controlling him doesn't give a shit about the planet any more.

"What did you do to my blessing!?"

"Nullified it. So is this your natural form?"
Hmm... some manner of shamanic ally, then. Probably a priest of their god or a hedge-wizard.

"Yes! We are not weak humans!"

"And not a demon. Interesting. Why did you attack us?"
To be fair, three of you were wearing a variation of the S-badge. Not on your foreheads, true, but still, what did you expect?

"We cannot survive the Demon Superman's wrath! You are drawing it!"

"But if he just kills us, what's the problem for you?"
I don't think he's too concerned about collateral damage. As in, he'd laser an entire island to kill one person...

"For years he has just sat there! The last thing we want is for him to awaken!"

"And you couldn't have just told us that?"
Huh, an actual 'Orcus on his throne' moment... Still, better than Darkseid on your sofa or the like... :p

"Mortal beings fighting amongst themselves amuses him. He would be content to watch."

"You don't appear to have the force to bring us down. Given that, would you be prepared to call the attack off? You can send us somewhere more dangerous and give someone else a chance to kill us?"
Win-win all round. You won't have to deal with OL, for a start. :V

"Why are you even here?"

"Someone in this parallel opened a portal to the alternate reality we live in. We're here to stop the problem at the source."
And that's something they can get behind, if it stops the madness. Though it probably sounds mad to try and fight...

"You want to fight the Demon Superman?"

"Purify him, ideally. But yes."
Let's hope it's a 'blue beam to space' scenario, where stopping Demon-Superman turns off all the other demon-stuff instantly... Wouldn't be easy, and shit would probably still be effed up...

The bird man considers that.

"Unbind me, and I will take your words to our leader. He may make decide to deal with you. Or he may destroy you himself."

I smile. "Deal."
Well, that was easy. Then again, birdman here probably wants them gone either way. Help them or not, at least they won't be drawing the bad guys' attention to them.

What's the bet their leader is Hawkgod, or something like that? It seems about the right time period, I think? At any rate, with a little luck, the birdfolk will be able to give them some intel. They need a plan better than 'Fly to metropolis, punch Demon-Superman's face until he gives up.' Because I don't think it'll be anywhere near that easy to settle this.
 
Worrying, but not major. I doubt they'd put poison on their talons...

I think they would.

Heck they may naturally generate poison from there.

:eek: Ow. Okay, not killing, but that has to hurt. Guess Supes is kind of okay with getting rough if they aren't human

Or if they can heal damage, which these things may be able to do, or if he does not know they're sapient.

Like father, like daughter. Why do I get the feeling this is something they've done before?

Probably because they've done it on the past during their superhero careers.
 
Superman opts to open his mouth and the air before him turns to ice. It doesn't appear to disable any of our attackers, but the ones exposed to it are backing of in a hurry


Continuity error. It has been referenced that our standard Kryptonians from 16 do not have a freeze breath, it's been mentioned several times in both Paragon and Renegade chapters like Star Crossed.

You may need a reference guide Zoat.

The Kara from star crossed had cold breath and infrared beams (non visible), 16 Kryptonians have visible eye beams, but no cold breath, and so on.

Maybe Overman should be the one using cold breath.
 
Oh. He's firing through the planet's crust. I can see the line of steam where he's boiled the waters of the Pacific. Right, there's nothing stopping him seeing me, but if he's using some sort of magic detection then he's blind to me.
Oh... Well... That's several levels of power above Paragon...
 
Remove one 'a little in mind"
'and legs'
'someone'
I though he used mage slayers for the railgun.
Thank you, corrected.
I'm not sure but I think you're missing a closing - somewhere in this. Looking at the "-nothing serious " line there's a closing -, followed later by an opening - and, later still another opening -.
Multiple lines of thought were interrupted.
Thank you, corrected.
:confused: ...Yeah, this seems odd. Unless Supes himself is caught off guard, it might work better if Overman tries the breath and Supes the beams. Or have Supes looks surprised for a moment, as if he didn't realise he could do that... o_O Or maybe it's something he learned via Torquasm classes?
Yes. It basically involved him stopping molecular vibrations in his lungs and then exhaling. It's something he's learned precisely because it's low lethality.
 
Yes. It basically involved him stopping molecular vibrations in his lungs and then exhaling. It's something he's learned precisely because it's low lethality.
Awesome! Is Superboy kryptonian enough to also do this after some training? Or will we only see Superman, Kara Zor-El, Match, Kara Zor-L, Overman, and Overgirl do this?
 
Eye lasers from across the horizon which pierce through the crust of a thaumically active planet. Wow. He's been drinking a lot of demon juice, y'all.

"Hey Lex. Guess what you missed out on today?"

"Orange Lantern, it has been some time. To answer that question with my own: you have had a wealth of opportunities to uncover my desires and no doubt you could plant the seeds for new ones, so I'll ask if Mercy and I are a large enough audience for this song and dance?"

"I am not here to test how well you can control your expression in front of a camera, Lex. You missed a chance to help kill a Kryptonian with Superman's face."

"…"
 
If demon Superman is an ocean away how do the hawk-people know he's awake.
They teleported to where Paul and the others are. I wouldn't be surprised if where they came from constantly keeps an eye on the world's undisputed ruler and decided to attack the things that seem to have gotten him to stop sitting around and do something.
 

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