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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Yeah, there is a reason the comics code existed.

As much as it crippled stories, wanna know what we hot once it was lifted? Not only a few good stories but also quite a lot of bullshit.
Hard disagree. Comics code was in use til late eighties, and the supremely terrible Carol Danvers pregnancy storyline came out in 1980.

The Black Canary thing was revealed in 1983.

Comics code didn't really apply to truly horrible stuff, only the things that were considered inappropriate for children, such as splatter, horror tropes, sympathetic criminals, nudity and gay people.
 
Huh, it seems Paul is trying to do that to 1) make this universe better and 2) as a form of diplomacy, to make the JSI see him and his team as friends. Can't be too hostile to someone who saves a ton of lives, right?

Yeah, there is a reason the comics code existed.

As much as it crippled stories, wanna know what we hot once it was lifted? Not only a few good stories but also quite a lot of bullshit.

Eh, a lot of the 'Kara totally has a crush on her cousin' stuff and the Comet stuff happened in the Silver Age, the heyday of the comics code. It didn't stop the weird implications when Lois and Lana constantly wanted Superman to marry them, but it did stop stuff like authority being critiqued and showing gay people.

Still, I'm never over the sheer amount of comic superheroes who have been raped or sexually harassed/assaulted with the comics glossing it over.
 
She was in a bit of a state, and he had a clear plan and purpose beyond 'fight and die'. And he flirted with her, something that she wasn't used to but actually rather liked.
Then things went much better than I though they would.
I have no idea of the status of Seaspray in that setting.
He was killed when his ship was blown up by a bomb used by the Decepticon Dreadwing, Wheeljack was just about to have a reunion with him when the explosion happened and so Wheeljack tracked down Dreadwing all the way to Earth. Paul and Slipstream could have located the bomb and prevented it from going off in this AU if you wish.
 
Then things went much better than I though they would.
How did you think they'd go?
He was killed when his ship was blown up by a bomb used by the Decepticon Dreadwing, Wheeljack was just about to have a reunion with him when the explosion happened and so Wheeljack tracked down Dreadwing all the way to Earth. Paul and Slipstream could have located the bomb and prevented it from going off in this AU if you wish.
That doesn't seem like something it would occur to them to do.
 
Thing is, with the Allspark removed from Cybertron and no ability to synthesise energon, they were living in a universe where their only food was in limited and diminishing supply. The fighting on Earth could happen because there were supply caches there.
The way they handled what energon is and how cybertronians work is one of the ways the Prime series is better than the others. Having a rare and unique food supply is a far more realistic conflict generator than just needing energy, which would be trivial for a space-faring society.
 
How did you think they'd go?
A lot more hostility at first on Slipstream's end before Paul manages to convince her on forming a partnership and the flirting arriving later on.
That doesn't seem like something it would occur to them to do.
If you say so, but it was just an example of how they could have prevented Seaspray from being killed if you want to prevent that from happening.
 
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A lot more hostility at first on Slipstream's end before Paul manages to convince her on forming a partnership nd the flirting arriving later on.
Slipstream was starving to death, unable to find energon, when she entered statis lock fully expecting to never wake up again. She woke up infested with an organic, but then noticed that her tanks were full and that put her in a much better frame of mind. Plus... She'd basically taken orders with no right to refuse ever since she came on line. She's not good at setting her own direction.
 
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For context, it probably needs to be specified that this was all pre-Crisis.

In the 60s, there was a story arc in which Wonder Woman was depowered. The JLA writer wanted a female character to fill her slot, and liked Black Canary, so after a JSA/JLA crossover event, Black Canary literally just moved to Earth-1 and joined the JLA.

In the early 80s, they retconned her origin so that she discovered she wasn't actually the Black Canary of Earth-2. Instead, she was that Black Canary's daughter, who had been cursed as an infant, put in suspended animation in another dimension, grew up physically there, was later recovered by her mother, and her dying mother implanted her memories in her and sent her to Earth-1.

As one does. In comics, in the 80s, at least.

All of that went away a few years later, when Crisis rebooted everything. So... yeah, this is weird as shit, but that was kind of one of the reasons for the original Crisis, to get away from having to do weird explanations for how certain characters from the Golden Age were still around.

The post-1985 version is pretty standard, with the second Black Canary just being the daughter of the first one, without any shenanigans.
 
The way they handled what energon is and how cybertronians work is one of the ways the Prime series is better than the others. Having a rare and unique food supply is a far more realistic conflict generator than just needing energy, which would be trivial for a space-faring society.
The energy argument could work. It would simply depend on how much of the Cybertronian tech-base they were able to harness before the planet became uninhabitable. And how high the energy requirements for Transformers are.

Depending on that particular answer, you might need to build the tools to build the tools to build the tools to harness energy in the required amount, let alone convert it into something Transformers can use.

I mean, think about it. Uranium is incredibly energy dense, yet we can not use it for energy. Neither can cars which are not designed to.

I can see a world where it could work.
 
Depending on that particular answer, you might need to build the tools to build the tools to build the tools to harness energy in the required amount, let alone convert it into something Transformers can use.
Sounds like the Transformers have either engineered/evolved themselves into what is effectively a ecological dead end. Emphasis on the dead if they are reliant upon what appears to be a manufactured substance. Or is it a case of they learnt to manufacture Energon after their population grew beyond what nature could sustain naturally.
 
Energon, at least pure Energon, can't be artificially made without reality warping bullshit. That's why it is so common to use alternate energy sources even if it less ideal.

Low grade (Red Energon) can be basically made from most common energy sources but it causes a lot of complications on a Transformer health, basically they break down easier, parts last less and so on.

There is a lot of variants depending on the medium, and version of Transformers, but yeah Transformers could live of renewable energies, but I wouldn't call that living.

Biggest problem is that Transformers need a lot of energy, hence why the Beast Wars era Transformers are smaller and more energy efficient.
 
imminent

"I didn't, it's just obvious.
Semicolon or full stop instead of comma.

building up our forces; to make sure that
ended up doing; grabbing as many people
In both cases, comma or colon instead of semicolon.

Can somebody please get rid of Vaermina. I keep hoping that they finally say something positive for once but it's all pointless barbs and shameless misleading drivel. Hate watching is not something you need in your life, grow up please.
Vaermina is contrarian to a fault, but he isn't breaking any rules. "Annoyance" isn't a bannable offense; that's why there's an ignore function.
 
ind you, some of it is a result of the meanings of words and phrases changing between when something was written and when people started calling it problematic (or shifts in the zeitgeist).

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Sounds like the Transformers have either engineered/evolved themselves into what is effectively a ecological dead end. Emphasis on the dead if they are reliant upon what appears to be a manufactured substance. Or is it a case of they learnt to manufacture Energon after their population grew beyond what nature could sustain naturally.
*Glances at modern fertilizers*
Yeah, that seems like there might be some additional risks there.
 
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Slipstream was starving to death, unable to find energon, when she entered statis lock fully expecting to never wake up again. She woke up infested with an organic, but then noticed that her tanks were full and that put her in a much better frame of mind. Plus... She'd basically taken orders with no right to refuse ever since she came on line. She's not good at setting her own direction.
That does explain things and you make a good point about her taking orders.
 
The post-1985 version is pretty standard, with the second Black Canary just being the daughter of the first one, without any shenanigans.

Plenty of nonsense left elsewhere in her story, though. Like early Black Canary - forget whether this was mother or daughter - actually not being blonde or femme, that was a wig and makeup. She was in fact extremely butch, "normally" wearing a crew cut of black hair. In a few issues she ditched the disguise and kept the full outfit, going from "just walked out of a fetish club complete with collar" to "clearly a pro domme".

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Black Canary is... not as much a blatant kinks-on-the-page as Wonder Woman. But as you know, that is faint fucking praise. (It goes places.)
 
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Feasibility Study (part 9)
21st November 2012
08:29 GMT -5


Silver-grey appears to be the JSI's uniform colour of choice. Particular designs vary, personal icons are allowed and the uniforms may be more or less armoured. Not sure whether that's-.

I stop for a moment, exhaling quietly.

**Brainwave, I can hear you perfectly well.**

There's no verbal response, but I notice that what I'm seeing starts to trigger fewer memory connections.

**And I noticed that as well. I'm not going to be annoyed-.**

Interceptor glares at me. "Do you need the bathroom?"

"No, I'm just having a word with Brainwave Two. You would not believe how long the Justice League went without telepathic security scans."

"'Justice League'?"

"Our Justice Society shut down in the fifties." At the front of the column, Commander Scott glances back with a small nod. "The Justice League is the organisation that does the equivalent job now."

I feel a subtle probe-.

**I'm being polite by asking. Is there something you're looking for in particular, or do you want me to eject you forcibly?**

Commander Scott glances back again as we approach his office. "Give Brainwave a break, Lantern. He's doing his job."

His eyes go slightly blank for a moment, and my mind returns to baseline performance levels.

"I'm linked to a powerful elemental. Last time she felt a hostile mind connected to mine, she ate it. I'm not threatening him, I'm warning him."

Oliver shrugs. "If it makes him feel any better, I didn't feel a thing."

Commander Scott stops outside of a secure door, two cybernetically augmented soldiers standing guard. I see their eyes flicker, presumably as they perform identification checks. Then they stand aside and the door opens.

Wait a.. moment.

I stop in front of one of the cyborgs, allowing my empathic vision to open up a little.

I smile at him. "Ah, I see what they did wrong."

"Sir?"

"The feeling of disassociation. They've rigged you up as if you had a lateralised brain, but you don't. As a result, half your body is lagging slightly. Your processor's trying to adapt, but you're subconsciously aware of the slight extra load. Want me to fix it?"

"A-?"

He's clearly surprised, his eyes darting first to the other soldier and then to his Commander. But his communications implants are also lighting up, so I assume that he's also using the proper channels.

"Corporal, you're relieved. Report for decontamination. Lantern, after we're done, write up what you think you found-"

A folder precipitates out of thin air and I pass it to the corporal.

"-and hand it over to our medical team. Corporal, hand it over before decon."

"Yes, Commander."

He takes a firm grip of the folder and marches off down the corridor.

The Commander fixes me with a stone stare. "Stop scanning my soldiers."

"That wasn't-. Not all of my abilities need a ring. I'd need a magic blindfold to stop looking at people."

"Just get in the office. Interceptor, you're with us."

He heads in, the rest of the party having already filed through. Alan's looking at a picture on his desk with a frown, while the rest have found seats-.

Oh no. That's a picture of Commander Scott with Molly Mayne, Jade and Obsidian. Alan's… Looking at Molly's face.

Commander Scott walks around to his side of the desk, clearly spotting what's holding his alter-ego's attention. A moment later Alan realises that the Commander is looking at him and switches his attention to his doppelgänger.

"You remarried?"

"You didn't?"

"No, I-. I always hoped Rose would snap out of it."

Commander Scott nods, as if that makes sense to him. "My Rose was dead. And I still left it for a good long time before marrying Molly."

"Hm."

Interceptor remains standing at parade rest behind the chair line. I ignore the spare chair and generate a construct to sit on instead.

Commander Scott takes a moment to make eye contact with each of us. "So you were trying to get somewhere else. Where?"

"Earth Six Six Six." Commander Scott narrows his eyes interrogatively at Alan. "I know, I know. They got taken over by demons a while ago, and…" Alan glances at me. "Paul and.. some allies of his went over and got rid of them. One of their people ended up in our Earth, so we're going to make sure things are okay there before sending her back."

"Is Earth Six Six Six any threat to you, or to us?"

"It was. One of their demon cults was invading at least one other parallel that I know of. But we shut that down, and the survivors are busy sticking their planet back together. Or, were, when I left."

Commander Scott nods. "Do you think something went wrong with your portal?"

"N-"

Oliver puts his right fist over his mouth. [cough]"Yes."[/cough]

"-o, it doesn't seem likely, if only because the individual who built it wouldn't have any reason to send us here. But there are ways to interfere with inter-parallel travel, and I suspect that's what we ran into."

"You mind sharing that technology?"

"The shield?" He nods. "No problem at all, though I should warn you that it can be bypassed."

I raise my left hand, and a binder containing the technical specifications appears on his desk.

He nods. "As far as I know, there's no equivalent technology, or.. research that could lead to the development of that technology, on our Earth. We'll do a check just in case, but I doubt that the problem is with us."

I generate a construct hand and poke John with it.

"Whu-? Oh. No, I know we're supposed to be here but I don't know why. I can go for a wander if our hosts don't mind..?"

Commander Scott frowns at Alan, who shrugs. "Wizard."

"Oh." He turns to John. "You can't go anywhere unescorted, but we can find someone who can do the job. If you don't have any better ideas, the rest of you can work with our science team on your problem. We don't like people dropping in unannounced any more than you like being here."

Nods from the Leaguers. But I don't think I'd really add anything. I might have records of super science, but that doesn't mean that it's my field. On the other hand, if I'm trying to earn points with the locals to defray suspicion…

"Actually, if you don't need me, I was wondering if you wanted me to have a poke at the Dominators for you?"
 
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Paul: accidentally solves another parralel Earth's problems without causing mass chaos
Earth-16: why can't you do that for us?

They just need to go ask him. Most of his chaos comes when he is left to his own devices and stumbles into things and causes a mess because he doesn't have all the info.

But whenever someone comes to him to get help he does his due diligence as it he is doing a service for someone else and he tends to make sure he does a job well.
 
Energon, at least pure Energon, can't be artificially made without reality warping bullshit. That's why it is so common to use alternate energy sources even if it less ideal.

Low grade (Red Energon) can be basically made from most common energy sources but it causes a lot of complications on a Transformer health, basically they break down easier, parts last less and so on.

There is a lot of variants depending on the medium, and version of Transformers, but yeah Transformers could live of renewable energies, but I wouldn't call that living.

Biggest problem is that Transformers need a lot of energy, hence why the Beast Wars era Transformers are smaller and more energy efficient.

I am fine with them having other forms of energy. But it requires significant power as Energon is very effective as fuel. It would likely also require sophisticated tech to adapt and power up and take longer to fuel up.

So in my mind they don't like the long downtime to refuel, plus it not feeling as "filling" as real energon. The difference between bare subsistence and real living.
 

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