Mquz
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Point still mostly stands - he controls all places with sea mammals, which is most of the sea (except deep underwater).
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Point still mostly stands - he controls all places with sea mammals, which is most of the sea (except deep underwater).
He did, proving that death was unnecessary to get there.
Remember, this argument started with someone saying they were trying to kill him before he even had an opportunity to defend himself.
To which you replied
And were totally and completely wrong. There was absolutely no legitimate need to kill him to bring him in for judgement.
So saying things like
Really isn't helping your case of defending the angels actions at all. Why are cops supposed to arrest those they think committed a crime instead of just shooting them on site? Why do we normally have the trial before the conviction and punishment? Why is life precious? Why is the commandment of that which the angels believe they serve 20:13 THOU SHALT NOT KILL?
Minor but important correction, the correct translation is "Thou shalt not murder" not "Thou shalt not kill".Really isn't helping your case of defending the angels actions at all. Why are cops supposed to arrest those they think committed a crime instead of just shooting them on site? Why do we normally have the trial before the conviction and punishment? Why is life precious? Why is the commandment of that which the angels believe they serve 20:13 THOU SHALT NOT KILL?
Oh Paul... Someone really needs to sit you down and explain about how Good and Evil actually exist in this universe...Or Mammon. I didn't think for a moment that he'd cut off the flow of Devil Jizz, as it's the thing keeping Rosacarnis on-side. But I did think that he'd prevent visible spill over. If Triskele has been bypassing his supply chain, he might be able to justify coming down hard on her. I imagine that Rosacarnis would appreciate getting rulership over the Succubae once she's gone. Or… Really, I don't have.. much of a problem with demon pacts as long as the people signing up know what they're getting into. Triskele doesn't even follow the letter of her pacts, but… If the people using Succubae Jizz got consent from their clients in advance and knew what they were giving their demonic sponsors, that's… Really no worse than most business contracts.
Yeah, that'll go over well with the judge...
Officer Danvers stares for a moment at the blonde woman...
Seriously, superheroes are involved. Why are you surprised?
Feeling a bit testy, OL?"Assuming that she's not just crazy, because on New Year's Day she tried to kill me. And earlier today she tried to kill a group of suspects, two of my colleagues, four or five of yours and me again. I rather hoped that the whole 'sky is on fire' thing had rather got people out of the 'angels equals good' mindset, but if it hasn't then I'm just going to have to ask you to do your job and take this suspect to the police station."
Should this be 'Officer' for consistency's sake?Mr Danvers closes the door behind her before getting into the driver's seat and pulling away.
Did she grow six inches, change her face and hair, and gain two or three cup sizes?"Rose Canton changed physically when she switched over to Thorn."
I like how we could tell who was talking just by vocabulary."Huh. I probably could. Fire magic's not that hard to track. I've actually got more experience with it than anyone else on the team."
Good to see some genre savviness."Or they could all be getting ready to ambush us." Beryl sounds just as cheerful, and I find myself smiling at her attitude.
Seeing one of the positive influences you had definitely improves the mood.I rise up into the air, looking around with empathic vision to find Robert. As I sight him I note that he's a lot happier with his place in life than he was when we first met. He really likes being on a superhero team.
Reads a bit oddly. Perhaps 'the eldritch sort' would work?Robert nods at me, eldritch sort of fire flowing from his hands.
"Appreciate you giving me the chance to do this, but…
He raises his hands over his head and slowly turns to take in our surroundings.He raises his hands over her head and slowly turns to take in our surroundings.
Yes, but if angels can be evil, can demons be good? In this particular universe not everything in hell is evil, and Mammon at the very least is somewhat controlled by Paul.Oh Paul... Someone really needs to sit you down and explain about how Good and Evil actually exist in this universe...
According to a link provided a few chapters ago, Matrix is called such because that's what an alternate good version of Luthor from a pocket universe named her (Superman was dead before he grew up in that universe (as Superboy)) when he created her partially from an artificial life form called the "protoplasmic matrix" and with the synaptic pathways and original body of his dead love, Lana Lang. She then shapeshifted to be blonde and eventually left him.Nice to see some insight into Hell's current politics that addresses the issues I brought up a few days ago.
I wonder if we'll get another interview where Paragon tries to convince people of the fallibility of the Silver City, or at least that humans don't have all the necessary/objective information to make value judgments. Third time's the charm after all.
I know very little about Linda Danvers, though it's amusing she shares a surname with Marvel's superficially similar superhero. Where does the name Matrix come from exactly? I'm assuming the name Noriel is Zoat's invention.
Maybe she can join whatever Zauriel is doing nowadays- personally, I'm imagining an angelic road trip learning about humanity.
Thank you, corrected.Officer Danner stares for a moment at the blonde woman...
Officer Danvers stares for a moment at the blonde woman...
Mr Danvers closes the door behind her before getting into the driver's seat and pulling away.
Should this be 'Officer' for consistency's sake?
Robert nods at me, eldritch sort of fire flowing from his hands.
Reads a bit oddly. Perhaps 'the eldritch sort' would work?
"Appreciate you giving me the chance do this, but…
"Appreciate you giving me the chance to do this, but…
He raises his hands over her head and slowly turns to take in our surroundings.
He raises his hands over his head and slowly turns to take in our surroundings.
The 'good' guys kill innocent people and apparently have no free will, and the evil guys torture countless billions of people.Oh Paul... Someone really needs to sit you down and explain about how Good and Evil actually exist in this universe...
Also, he'll is currently getting better, due to demons not being explicitly evil, but sinful, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if directed well.The 'good' guys kill innocent people and apparently have no free will, and the evil guys torture countless billions of people.
So... it's sorta like WH40K. It's not so much 'good' and 'evil' as it is 'evil' and 'even more evil', with the occasional 'slightly less evil' if you're lucky.
You conflating the DC universal concepts of Good and Evil with the human decided morality of what good and evil is.Yes, but if angels can be evil, can demons be good? In this particular universe not everything in hell is evil, and Mammon at the very least is somewhat controlled by Paul.
That "no free will" thing was disproven awhile ago.The 'good' guys kill innocent people and apparently have no free will, and the evil guys torture countless billions of people.
So... it's sorta like WH40K. It's not so much 'good' and 'evil' as it is 'evil' and 'even more evil', with the occasional 'slightly less evil' if you're lucky.
Did you miss everything in hell being built out of tortured souls?Also, he'll is currently getting better, due to demons not being explicitly evil, but sinful, which isn't necessarily a bad thing if directed well.
I know very little about Linda Danvers, though it's amusing she shares a surname with Marvel's superficially similar superhero. Where does the name Matrix come from exactly? I'm assuming the name Noriel is Zoat's invention.
Yes it was an omake.Sort of random question, but have we seen a Paul in the 40k universe so far?
While i'm not a expert on what he did (that would be Zoat), they weren't false desires. OL basically took his soul, and forcibly reshaped it, turning it into something more suitable to his purposes. It's not some kind of mental overlay or brainwashing, it's more like a mix of assimilation and branding, and a truth wave wouldn't exactly undo assimilation, now would it?Also Paul thinks Mammon is, but Paul hasn't checked his control since before Wonder Woman hit everything in the area with that conceptual Truth wave. And I wouldn't bet money on the false desires Paul implanted in Mammon having survived that.
OL isn't a helpless citizen cowering under the rule of corrupt officials. He's a well known superhero with substantial capabilities and has (kinda) good relations with the Justice League. If he finds out that Linda 'mysteriously' vanished from custody/had all charges dropped, OL could easily go 20 layers of authority over that officer's head and get him in a lot of trouble. And I'd be surprised if that officer didn't figure this out.Did Paul just hand over a known criminal (Linda certainly is) to her father in the police force? Hello massive conflict of interest? Was the knife enchanted with the stupid charm making all that hold it terminally stupid?
OL isn't a helpless citizen cowering under the rule of corrupt officials. He's a well known superhero with substantial capabilities and has (kinda) good relations with the Justice League. If he finds out that Linda 'mysteriously' vanished from custody/had all charges dropped, OL could easily go 20 layers of authority over that officer's head and get him in a lot of trouble. And I'd be surprised if that officer didn't figure this out.
Was there? Gosh, you people remember this better than I do.
Well Matrix was some sort of shapeshifting creation of an alternate good Lex Luthor partially patterned off Superman's physiology, apparently the name comes from her being a "protoplasmic matrix". As for Noriel, there's a Puerto Rican rapper by the name, so not sure if that's a coincidence or if our resident fallen has some hobbies they are trying to hide.Where does the name Matrix come from exactly? I'm assuming the name Noriel is Zoat's invention.
It was a wave of conceptual Truth any mental change made to another being would be undone by something like that.While i'm not a expert on what he did (that would be Zoat), they weren't false desires. OL basically took his soul, and forcibly reshaped it, turning it into something more suitable to his purposes. It's not some kind of mental overlay or brainwashing, it's more like a mix of assimilation and branding, and a truth wave wouldn't exactly undo assimilation, now would it?
IIRC, OL said that the only way he could think of for Mammon to undo it himself would be careful and extended introspection. So... basically exactly the same sort of thing that would change legitimate desires as well.
And as Mammon said, he isn't particularly upset by the changes (because of the changes), and so he's not going to do that. No struggling against it, or rage that they can't control themselves; that kind of mind control is silly. OL didn't impose a course of action, he imposed a conclusion, and that conclusion is that Mammon happily works with OL to their now-mutual best interests.
How do you know a Truth wave works like that, and to that extent? Truth probably wouldn't affect permanent mind/soul alteration like assimilation; their 'truth' changed, and that's now their true form. There's no false mental overlay, control, w/e to affect.It was a wave of conceptual Truth any mental change made to another being would be undone by something like that.
As to Assimilation, if Zoat was playing the rules for that straight, the Truth wave would have broken his control over any constructs he had out at the time. (Mind you he didn't because he had no ring)