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I mean, he still can't say or think the word Paul. So something of him is still in there.So we finally have a direct statement.
This isn't actually Paul.
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I mean, he still can't say or think the word Paul. So something of him is still in there.So we finally have a direct statement.
This isn't actually Paul.
you're -> your
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Missing opening quotation mark? Or maybe should not have one on the end?Honesty. It's not just about friendship. ... the cost of temporary embarrassment or discomfort."
Seems incomplete...
It still says "creatures structure". It should be creates, not creatures.
No, slave is the more accurate term. It doesn't quite encompass the sheer horror and violation involved in turning someone into a construct but it is the closest that English has so far.
"Mm, except, you see, you're… Not. Decades of Klarion not wrecking the world while Nelson left you on the shelf, and the moment you get a body again you act like you're ability to counteract him is suddenly super important
. You chose to become a helmet rather than do as nature intended and die
He strikes me as the sort to create a people of god-wizards who do whatever they like
To refresh your memory, after you tried to possess Giovanni Zatara, I turned you into a construct and left you in place as his-."
"Slave. Yes. I remember."
"Advisor and power source
have before and they're telling me that doing the wrong thing. Besides, this me is Grayven with 'my' virtues shot into
Oh, I'm sure he remembers quite well, Renegade. I doubt the process of assimilation was painless for him
I'm sure a Lord of Order would know of the ultimate evil planet. Whether they'd object to its malign orderliness, that's a question and a half.
And yet you joined with the idiot in this lunatic plan, which has made lots of chaotic impacts on the world...
And to be blunt, he's certainly not showing himself to be all that useful to anyone.
you're -> your
sort -> short
Missing opening quotation mark? Or maybe should not have one on the end?
Seems incomplete...
Thank you, corrected.It still says "creatures structure". It should be creates, not creatures.
Haven't watched it.Not directly related, but have you seen the new "My Adventures with Superman" tv series Mr. Zoat? I'm surprised, but it's really good. First episode is on YouTube. It's the most genuinely upbeat and honest thing that's come out of DC in a good long while, and they really brought the character dynamic between Superman, Lois Lane, and Jimmy Olsen to the forefront while also having good action sequences. Feels like a modern serialized reimagining of the classic cartoons.
People are allready memeing tomboy Lois Lane and how the creators seems to have really wanted the relationship between Guts and Casca from Berserk to succeed - they look a lot alike. But it's also not at all surprising when she gets into trouble.
And they didn't even do the Harley Quinn comedy series thing here when they could have - they're taking it preety seriously.
So we finally have a direct statement.
This isn't actually Paul.
Didn't Renegade eat or subvert 'real' Grayven a while back? The two merged directly and Paul won. That's why there's no other Grayven left - he was made Paul.
Thanks for the share.Not directly related, but have you seen the new "My Adventures with Superman" tv series Mr. Zoat? I'm surprised, but it's really good. First episode is on YouTube.
Nope, he lost that battle, but then Artemis shot Grayven with arrows till his metaphysic looked like Renegade.Didn't Renegade eat or subvert 'real' Grayven a while back? The two merged directly and Paul won. That's why there's no other Grayven left - he was made Paul.
Eh, Jimmy's in black face. Lois is just tan / Latin. But sure, it's an annoying trend these days. I just personally don't care so long as they nail what each character should be about. Jimmy is excitable and young for once - he works well as a conspiracy theorist, Lois constantly puts herself in danger and has to be rescued by Superman. Clark is relatively weak to start, but has a deep inner strength and is emotionally vulnerable / kind of a dork.Thank you, corrected.
Haven't watched it.
Edit: Oh, it's the one where they put Lois and Jimmy in blackface. Yeah, pass.
I don't care about it per se, but I've learned to recognise it as a warning sign.Eh, Jimmy's in black face. Lois is just tan / Latin. But sure, it's an annoying trend these days. I just personally don't care so long as they nail what each character should be about.
A lot of recent writers seem to change red heads characters into black-skinned. It has become so common that it doesn't really tell anything, save it has been made in the recent years.I don't care about it per se, but I've learned to recognise it as a warning sign.
Definitely is one, and they could fuck up with it easilly enough.I don't care about it per se, but I've learned to recognise it as a warning sign.
I'm taking them going withinstead of Luthor as a first set of antagonists as a good sign too. We've got a young adult Superman not yet fully established in Metropolis and Luthor without the Superman obsession is just another relatively normal businessmanTask Force X
That went far better than I thought it would. Also, that's an interesting explanation for Nabu's actions. Considering Ahri'ahn is going for the classic world domination play, I hope Atlantis won't receive too big a sanction after all of this is over."It doesn't like lying, Nabu. You're ancient. What's so bad that you won't admit it?"
"It's you, those like you! Do you understand what it feels like to have a body after spending centuries as a being of pure arcane Order?"
"… Nice?"
"Horrifying! Revolting! And so… Right! To have touch again, to feel the air on my skin! You cannot understand it until you have denied it to yourself!"
I frown. "Wouldn't you have gone a bit peculiar without it, if it was that big a deal to you?"
"When I had my own body I taught myself to ignore it! But once I transcended, maintaining that discipline seemed… Pointless. How could flesh compete with the purity of Order?"
"Really, really easily." Huh. "Okay, you made a bad decision and then got hooked. I'm actually a little sympathetic -just a little- but I'm also hurt by your ingratitude. I got you a body back. And you could probably have worked out an indirect way to use Order magic if you needed that as well. Why are you working with Ahri'ahn?"
"Because I'm weak! I wanted..! I want both, and in the Dream I can have both!"
The glowing golden figure tosses him to the ground, as the Venturian corridor fades back into being.
I watch him as he lays on the floor, trying to regain his comportment.
"You know…" I hold out my arm as Luna steps closer to remove the lasso. "There's no reason for you to stay here. People have physically entered the Dream before. When we win, you can petition Morpheus."
"No." He shakes his head. "That wasn't just a Cilian. That was… Me. I refuse to be this weak. I will aid you, and then I will enter a hermitage and I will not emerge until I have reached equanimity. One way or the other."
I nod. "Alright then. So what's Ahri'ahn up to?"
"World domination. Naturally."
yours -> your
Yes, when what's 'real' is malleable, any sufficiently strong vision can overwrite it. Hopefully Ahri'ahn doesn't notice this. As for you, Renegade... Might be time to stop playing around and be real.14th February 2013
17:47 GMT -2
The corridor around us fades into the background as I-.
Huh. Maybe using absolute truth in an area halfway to the Dream wasn't such a good idea? I really just wanted him to talk-.
Oh, very trippy. But not what you should be paying attention to, Renegade.Lie.
Nabu fades from my grip in the same way that the world has, and… I see… Ideas, linked together. Some close, some distant, and there's a sort of… Membrane? Linking them? Sunset would probably know what it is.
Indeed. Time to stop sightseeing and start talking.Attend.
But the big orange glowing.. burning idea right in front of me feels unimpressed.
A fairly simple ask. 'Don't be a dick about things' is always a good idea."Alright, I want a lot of things from him, but most of them would be satisfied by him talking openly and honestly about why he did what he did. I don't even hate him enough to want him to fall on his face. Ah, not as a matter of policy. Obviously I'd laugh at a pratfall, but as long as his… Malforming of my civilisation stops I'd be satisfied."
Truth.
Don't worry about him, Renegade. He is no doubt having his own chat with something.Things come back into focus slightly. Luna, the corridor, Nabu stepping away from me-.
"Hey!"
He does tend to have that effect on some folks, doesn't he?Attend.
"What? Ah. I don't really feel even slightly grateful about Nabu setting me against the Justice League. I just intellectually realised that him doing that made breaking up with them psychologically easier later on. I really just associate him with getting angry."
More so, really. Basically a foreign mind sitting in Grayven's skull, technically.Truth. Attend.
"What? I physically can't tell you my original name. At this point I'm as much-. I'm about as much Grayven as I can be without having been the original one, to the best of my knowledge."
And that's something of a terrible thing to have to admit to yourself, isn't it? That you just aren't you anymore...Excuse.
"I mean, I could probably work around it. Let someone know. Is that what you want? There's no documentation with it on this Earth, and… Frankly, I don't think that anyone on my original Earth would connect me to the person I used to be. At this point I'm... More Grayven than I am who I was."
I mean... If the size twenty boot fits...Truth.
"Is this working up to me saying 'I am Grayven' and actually meaning it?"
And you're probably lucky it isn't slapping you for having that kind of silly digression with yourself.No. Attend.
I stop trying to work out what's happening back in reality… Or 'reality', and focus on Honesty itself. Or Truth? There's quite a lot of overlap, but a person can be dishonest without being untruthful.
It's merely a dream of what could be. The thing you want to work towards. Inspiration, which is one aspect of the Dreaming, after all.No, come on. I just gave this speech.
Reality fades away completely as I picture the perfect empire that lies within my soul. Is my soul. The conceptual lights move around it, taking up their rightful place in its metaphysical structures. Perfect and impossible, like the Source itself. I will never create this empire; I cannot. No one can. That's the thing about ideal forms.
He probably intends to use it as a taunting example to his other sons. "This mortal is a mere copy of one of you, and yet he has become better at it than you."And yeah, there's the palace, and the high court, and the light of truth shining from them both and making that happen must be a full time job-.
"Yes, obviously I'd like to make that happen. But I'm not God-King of Earth. I'm only Suzerain because Darkseid finds it funny. Or… Something. Are you asking for me to make a point of including you? Because I have sort of thought about openly using truth compulsion in legal processes, like the Atlanteans…"
Depends on how it sees people 'using' it that way.Huh.
"Did."
I consider how the concept of truth would relate to this situation.
As in, what the Renegade said was a lie? You're not annoyed? Or are you saying his show of empathy is false?
Yeah, I can't see you passing up something that useful.
Exactly. And that truth is more telling than anything else you've said thus far.I look at the perfected empire again.
"Yeah, no. I get it. No using the Dream to cheat. It's a process, an end you're never supposed to reach. Something to make you want to do better than whatever you're doing. I'm not going to cheapen my own soul with shortcuts."
Something about it may be burning at the naturally chaotic nature of organic being."yAAAGH!"
The perfect empire fades into… It's still there, but it's slightly out of focus. Nabu swims back into focus, only now he's fighting with… Someone? A figure made of the golden order-magic he usually uses, is holding him by the throat. A smooth and featureless face looks down at him and I can feel the contempt. Nabu himself appears to be having some sort of fit, spasming… It's not that he's being throttled, it's… Something else? I don't know what's going on in his head.
Not the time to be a dick about things, blondie."Nabu, this is a test of honesty! Whatever you said to wind it up, take it back!"
"No!"
Huh, talk about self-loathing."It's your neck. You know that I'm perfectly happy for you to die. But the one constant in all yours problems is you, and… Looks like whatever that is agrees with me."
"It's me."
No, you earned what happened to you, Nabu. Stop trying to blame others.I frown. "That's what Cilians look like?"
"It is when they ascend to a state of pure Order! But for you, it is the form I would still occup-guh!"
And can he bear to say it, I wonder?The glowing figure keeps its upper arms around his neck and shove the lower ones into his abdomen!
"It doesn't like lying, Nabu. You're ancient. What's so bad that you won't admit it?"
There are perks, yes."It's you, those like you! Do you understand what it feels like to have a body after spending centuries as a being of pure arcane Order?"
"… Nice?"
Like an addict, offered a sniff of his obsession..."Horrifying! Revolting! And so… Right! To have touch again, to feel the air on my skin! You cannot understand it until you have denied it to yourself!"
I frown. "Wouldn't you have gone a bit peculiar without it, if it was that big a deal to you?"
So, torn between the ideal of Order and the chaotic addictions of flesh. Yes, I can see that being a problem."When I had my own body I taught myself to ignore it! But once I transcended, maintaining that discipline seemed… Pointless. How could flesh compete with the purity of Order?"
"Really, really easily." Huh. "Okay, you made a bad decision and then got hooked. I'm actually a little sympathetic -just a little- but I'm also hurt by your ingratitude. I got you a body back. And you could probably have worked out an indirect way to use Order magic if you needed that as well. Why are you working with Ahri'ahn?"
See, now, Nabu? Was that so painful to admit?"Because I'm weak! I wanted..! I want both, and in the Dream I can have both!"
The glowing golden figure tosses him to the ground, as the Venturian corridor fades back into being.
Assuming Morpheus would tolerate the presence of someone who's done something like this.I watch him as he lays on the floor, trying to regain his comportment.
"You know…" I hold out my arm as Luna steps closer to remove the lasso. "There's no reason for you to stay here. People have physically entered the Dream before. When we win, you can petition Morpheus."
...Damn, BR549 beat me to the classic video."No." He shakes his head. "That wasn't just a Cilian. That was… Me. I refuse to be this weak. I will aid you, and then I will enter a hermitage and I will not emerge until I have reached equanimity. One way or the other."
I nod. "Alright then. So what's Ahri'ahn up to?"
"World domination. Naturally."
I'm a little confused here. I thought Nabu becoming a Lord of Order resulted in him being a helmet (that always seemed like a major design flaw in the ascension). He had an actual body as Lord of Order once upon a time?
New Superman is kind of a cute show so far. Though I think Lois is meant to be some form of Southeast or East Asian. I feel like when they racebend her, it's usually in an Asian direction.