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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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Prequels, not sequels.
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I just realized that the Renegade parts are all missing the world "supplementary". The previous ones in Episode 141: Break Time also had the word come after "Renegade option" instead of before like you used to do.
Edit: Found the last example of how you used to post the Renegade parts. It was in Episode 138: Pyrrhucy.
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Thank you, corrected.
I'll fix it shortly.
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Even with conventional firearms, there's a general guidance that if you have to shoot someone, don't be surprised if you don't get it back. If the use was legal self defense, you should get it returned, but it's also become evidence, and, well, it's often not worth the expense of fighting vs just spending a couple hundred bucks and buying a replacement. Not to mention that a gun in evidence is not going to be maintained for that period, so the condition could be suboptimal.
I have no doubt that Wynne has all the required filings done by his company's Legal staff to be able to carry and use the thing. However, that's not really something that should be shoved in an evidence room for a department with as many issues as the Gotham PD, and saying "no, I'm not going to let go of this Justice League-tier weapon while being interviewed at the local police precinct" wouldn't go over that well, either.
Really enjoying these segments, btw.
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The prequel trilogy wasn't great, it just looks good now, because of how bad the sequel trilogy is.
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Would be pretty weird, since they don't just appear in shows, they appear in universes. It would be like an SI dropping in Superman The Animated Series, another in Justice League Unlimited, so on and so forth.
It would be interesting if an SI dropped in the comics version of Batman Beyond, though. Since they usually don't remember the universe they're at, he would think he was in the TV animated series and get tripped by all the differences plus the more expanded universe of the comics.
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Accounting (part 3)
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21st September 2039
10:24 GMT -5
Now there's a woman I haven't seen for a while. Always thought that it was a shame things didn't work out with her and Grayson. And that she never had children. I used to say that I was disinterested in that myself, but after Barbara 'cured' herself that… Ah… That was almost the first thing we did.
And if the amount you love your children can be measured by the amount of their excrement you have to clean up… Well, I know that most of my alter-egos use their power rings for that sort of thing, but I think that doing it manually was a bonding experience.
"…a hero."
Oh, she's… Looking at me.
"Sorry, miles away. What was that?"
"You took a hit from a rocket that would have totalled the bus and everyone on it. Then you didn't break a sweat when they took you prisoner."
"It's not the first time."
"You wanna fill in the blanks for me?"
I look at her for a moment-. Ah.
"You don't recognise me, do you?" She raises her eyebrows a little. "We haven't seen each other for over forty years, so it's… I just sort of assumed that Mister Young might have mentioned that I was visiting." I hold out my right hand. "Peter Wynne."
"Oh." She takes my hand loosely for about half a second. "And you came on a bus?"
"I assumed that it was possible to drive through Gotham safe from highway pirates." She looks unimpressed. "Look, it was either drive all the way here which would take hours, fly in and rent a car or fly in and use a bus. The bus was less hassle."
"You don't think you were the target?"
"They didn't say anything about wanting me in particular. And… Most criminal gangs who actually know who I am realise that… Ah… If anything happened to me…"
"Your employees would take it personally. Your supervillain employees."
A couple of uniformed officers look around from interviewing the other bus passengers.
"Ah…" I reach up to rub my neck with my right hand, feeling the small scar. "It's not a completely reliable defence, but it does mean that some people think twice. Apparently, not venom-users."
She glances back to where the more heavily armoured police are frog-marching the Envenomed into police transport aircraft.
"We don't know it's venom. Unless there's something you wanna tell me?"
I shrug. "Venom has virtually no medical uses. My laboratories could make it, but so could most modern secondary school chemistry labs."
"Why are you in Gotham, anyway? Recruiting again?"
"Oh, ah… I'm here to talk you and Mister Young into resigning before I sue you."
"Tcha-." She blinks, her eyes widening. "Excuse me?"
"That drug you had your police force use on the splicers. Where do you think it was developed?"
She frowns. "That was-." Her frown deepens. "You made it?"
"My late wife and her team made it. What I'm curious about, if you didn't know that, is where you got it from."
She considers me for a moment. "There's no way you don't know. And there's no way I'm giving you ammunition for a completely frivolous lawsuit."
"No, this is what we can do instead of a lawsuit. So far, my legal firm is just gathering information. But if it turns out that anyone that you used it on suffers any ill-effects because you didn't share information with the company that actually knows how it works, that's off the table, and you would be responsible for whatever those consequences were."
"Like what, they turn into regular humans?"
"And it was intended to be used in a controlled medical environment, after taking a full genetic workup of the person it was being used on. The risk of negative effects if you don't take proper precautions is quite high. In our tests, brain damage was actually quite common, because the brain isn't really designed to have parts grow or shrivel up in a few seconds and it doesn't recover. Losing the body parts responsible for magnetoreception can actually cause strokes due to the electrical discharges. Rapid changes to blood chemistry-."
"Fine. Do you want your doctors to have access to the suspects?"
"The question is: do you? Because the moment that my people have access they will use that to gather evidence of your department's negligence."
"I don't want them dead."
"Good. Good. And then there's the decision that you made in using it in the first place."
"I'm not going to apologise for taking down violent criminals."
"You and Mister Young gave yourself the authority to rewrite the DNA of Gotham citizens at will. Administering drugs like that to unwilling patients requires a court order for each instance that you did not have."
"I do have the authority to do whatever is necessary to stop them when they're in the middle of committing crimes!"
"Whatever is necessary, yes. But it's an objective test. Injecting yourself with sheep DNA doesn't make you immune to standard stun rounds or gas grenades. Barbara-."
"What?"
"No, not-. Barbara Minerva. Cheetah. Was arrested by normal police three times, and that was with the equipment police had forty years ago."
"Your wife."
"So as you can understand, I know her case very well. Being as strong as an unusually strong sheep does not necessitate a full genetic rewrite, if for no other reason than accepting it gives the police the right to rewrite any genetics that they don't like."
"I can't believe-." She shakes her head and turns to leave. "You can deal with our lawyers."
"Alright. I will."
I take a breath, then let it out. That was always a long shot. But it's always sad when good people end up doing things like this. She's probably done a lot of good work, but…
What am I saying? This city is the hub of a network of Joker-themed criminal gangs. If Gotham -the place that suffered most from the Joker's attention- has that, then the person who is supposed to be policing it clearly isn't up to the job.
The police are blocking off the road, and the traffic jam is already large enough that there's no way that I'm going to get a taxi here. I could charter an aircraft, but…
But I have a small aircraft pilot's licence for a reason.
I pop open my case and fish out the gravity rod. Bit of a risk if there's a sniper watching out for me, but I doubt that's the case here. No one.. looking…
I press the 'flight' button and hold the gravity rod aloft, rising above the road and leaving the crime scene below me. I've got my meeting with Mr. Young where I'm going to cover those exact points again, and then…
Convincing Dr. Cuvier to accept my firm's legal representation.
21st September 2039
10:24 GMT -5
Now there's a woman I haven't seen for a while. Always thought that it was a shame things didn't work out with her and Grayson. And that she never had children. I used to say that I was disinterested in that myself, but after Barbara 'cured' herself that… Ah… That was almost the first thing we did.
And if the amount you love your children can be measured by the amount of their excrement you have to clean up… Well, I know that most of my alter-egos use their power rings for that sort of thing, but I think that doing it manually was a bonding experience.
"…a hero."
Oh, she's… Looking at me.
"Sorry, miles away. What was that?"
"You took a hit from a rocket that would have totalled the bus and everyone on it. Then you didn't break a sweat when they took you prisoner."
"It's not the first time."
"You wanna fill in the blanks for me?"
I look at her for a moment-. Ah.
"You don't recognise me, do you?" She raises her eyebrows a little. "We haven't seen each other for over forty years, so it's… I just sort of assumed that Mister Young might have mentioned that I was visiting." I hold out my right hand. "Peter Wynne."
"Oh." She takes my hand loosely for about half a second. "And you came on a bus?"
"I assumed that it was possible to drive through Gotham safe from highway pirates." She looks unimpressed. "Look, it was either drive all the way here which would take hours, fly in and rent a car or fly in and use a bus. The bus was less hassle."
"You don't think you were the target?"
"They didn't say anything about wanting me in particular. And… Most criminal gangs who actually know who I am realise that… Ah… If anything happened to me…"
"Your employees would take it personally. Your supervillain employees."
A couple of uniformed officers look around from interviewing the other bus passengers.
"Ah…" I reach up to rub my neck with my right hand, feeling the small scar. "It's not a completely reliable defence, but it does mean that some people think twice. Apparently, not venom-users."
She glances back to where the more heavily armoured police are frog-marching the Envenomed into police transport aircraft.
"We don't know it's venom. Unless there's something you wanna tell me?"
I shrug. "Venom has virtually no medical uses. My laboratories could make it, but so could most modern secondary school chemistry labs."
"Why are you in Gotham, anyway? Recruiting again?"
"Oh, ah… I'm here to talk you and Mister Young into resigning before I sue you."
"Tcha-." She blinks, her eyes widening. "Excuse me?"
"That drug you had your police force use on the splicers. Where do you think it was developed?"
She frowns. "That was-." Her frown deepens. "You made it?"
"My late wife and her team made it. What I'm curious about, if you didn't know that, is where you got it from."
She considers me for a moment. "There's no way you don't know. And there's no way I'm giving you ammunition for a completely frivolous lawsuit."
"No, this is what we can do instead of a lawsuit. So far, my legal firm is just gathering information. But if it turns out that anyone that you used it on suffers any ill-effects because you didn't share information with the company that actually knows how it works, that's off the table, and you would be responsible for whatever those consequences were."
"Like what, they turn into regular humans?"
"And it was intended to be used in a controlled medical environment, after taking a full genetic workup of the person it was being used on. The risk of negative effects if you don't take proper precautions is quite high. In our tests, brain damage was actually quite common, because the brain isn't really designed to have parts grow or shrivel up in a few seconds and it doesn't recover. Losing the body parts responsible for magnetoreception can actually cause strokes due to the electrical discharges. Rapid changes to blood chemistry-."
"Fine. Do you want your doctors to have access to the suspects?"
"The question is: do you? Because the moment that my people have access they will use that to gather evidence of your department's negligence."
"I don't want them dead."
"Good. Good. And then there's the decision that you made in using it in the first place."
"I'm not going to apologise for taking down violent criminals."
"You and Mister Young gave yourself the authority to rewrite the DNA of Gotham citizens at will. Administering drugs like that to unwilling patients requires a court order for each instance that you did not have."
"I do have the authority to do whatever is necessary to stop them when they're in the middle of committing crimes!"
"Whatever is necessary, yes. But it's an objective test. Injecting yourself with sheep DNA doesn't make you immune to standard stun rounds or gas grenades. Barbara-."
"What?"
"No, not-. Barbara Minerva. Cheetah. Was arrested by normal police three times, and that was with the equipment police had forty years ago."
"Your wife."
"So as you can understand, I know her case very well. Being as strong as an unusually strong sheep does not necessitate a full genetic rewrite, if for no other reason than accepting it gives the police the right to rewrite any genetics that they don't like."
"I can't believe-." She shakes her head and turns to leave. "You can deal with our lawyers."
"Alright. I will."
I take a breath, then let it out. That was always a long shot. But it's always sad when good people end up doing things like this. She's probably done a lot of good work, but…
What am I saying? This city is the hub of a network of Joker-themed criminal gangs. If Gotham -the place that suffered most from the Joker's attention- has that, then the person who is supposed to be policing it clearly isn't up to the job.
The police are blocking off the road, and the traffic jam is already large enough that there's no way that I'm going to get a taxi here. I could charter an aircraft, but…
But I have a small aircraft pilot's licence for a reason.
I pop open my case and fish out the gravity rod. Bit of a risk if there's a sniper watching out for me, but I doubt that's the case here. No one.. looking…
I press the 'flight' button and hold the gravity rod aloft, rising above the road and leaving the crime scene below me. I've got my meeting with Mr. Young where I'm going to cover those exact points again, and then…
Convincing Dr. Cuvier to accept my firm's legal representation.
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"measured"
They do have a pretty serious drug running through their system.
Not a good look to be helping the psycho.
Granted, you've probably done it lots of times.
It's Gotham, so you never know.
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I mean, yeah, he's got a track record of probably successfully 'turning villains lives around'. Or at least getting them off the streets/out of the revolving door system.
Really, the more worrying thing is for the Gotham PD/DA in the case. Because, uh, this:
Is the kind of thing he could totally push into being much more sinister than the Gotham PD intended.
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So, since Peter still doesn't have standing for a civil rights suit or negligence or battery, is he going to be offering representation for to the victims in some form of champerty?
Maybe fund a class action lawsuit?
Maybe fund a class action lawsuit?
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Honestly, Cuvier seems like prime ground for being recruited into Peter's company.
The guy is pretty dedicated to his passion and seems more than smart enough for it; unfortunately the dedication crosses the border into obsession and when Young unilaterally decides to declare his passion unlawful, Cuvier tips over and behaves like a typical mad scientist. Depending on what stage of the episode we are in, though, he should still be salvagable.
Also, Terry really fucks him over during their final fight.
The guy is pretty dedicated to his passion and seems more than smart enough for it; unfortunately the dedication crosses the border into obsession and when Young unilaterally decides to declare his passion unlawful, Cuvier tips over and behaves like a typical mad scientist. Depending on what stage of the episode we are in, though, he should still be salvagable.
Also, Terry really fucks him over during their final fight.
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If you missed out on catgirl nookie I will absolutely loose any respect I might have for you Peter.
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Oh, my. Not unexpected, since we knew he loved Doctor Minerva regardless of how she looked. I can definitely understand her reluctance to have children though, especially if her... Condition could be inherited.
Still hope Nightwing ended up with Starfire, mind.Plus, I doubt Cosmic Rods or anything like that have the fine precision needed for the task.
Not off to the best start, Peter.
No doubt a few such moments of backsliding courtesy of his more unstable researchers, eh? Never mind criminal organisations looking to get a little cash or tech by hostage-taking.
What is the current era's attitude towards superhumans, anyway? Polite acknowledgement? Disgruntled annoyance? Haven't really watched any 'Batman Beyond'.
Ooh, that's a cold response. Does she actually know why Peter's here, or...
I'm sure anyone who was willing to take on that job would know he habitually carries a
...Also that. And the last thing you want is dozens of former supervillains on a rampage with their various schizotech devices.
Ooh. I'm guessing that time he wasn't quite quick enough with the personal shield.
You know any other super-drugs that give people enhanced strength and durability? Without the drawbacks of physical alterations?
...Ah, she didn't hear yet? Awkward.
Unless you want the Gotham City Police Department to suffer some massive financial damage...
Of course not. He's a businessman, not a scientist!
Ah, clamming up? Well, I suppose she does know her legal standing and stuff.
Or develop sapient super-cancer. Honestly, do you not get 'schizotech' as a concept?
And be glad it happens fast because Comic Book universe. Real world, people don't just spontaneously mutate.
Shit like that just kills us.Which he can safely assume there is evidence of, given the Commisioner's apparent lack of knowledge concerning side-effects.
Going by the episode summaries, they seemed pretty resistant to more conventional routes. And the bad guy did mutate himself into a giant monster.
I mean, how long did the whole emergency last? Couple of hours from Batman butting in to Cuvier going mini-godzilla? I doubt even Gotham courts can work that fast.
...Good point. I doubt the sheepguy, snake lady or catgirl were bullet-proof, even if the latter might have been fast enough to dodge them.
Since she wasn't the 'empowered by mystic totem' version, after all. That one had superspeed and could fight Diana toe-to-toe.
Kind of a dangerous tack to take, especially if the press get a hold of that idea.
Welp, there goes any chance of playing nice with the GCPD.
Well, Gotham is simply too insane to be handled by any ordinary person. That's where the Batfamily came in. And then they left.
Heh. Making one hell of a statement, then.
And perhaps considering him as a possible future hire, I guess.
Peter's never been one for playing nice with the 'heroes', eh? Even retired ones like Barbara Gordon. I doubt that things are going to get any more pleasant here in Gotham for him. Still, it's entertaining to see more realistic fallout for these sort of events than the shows ever gave them. I mean, how many times did shit like that happen without any follow-up unless it was a plot point?
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Everyone hopes Nightwing ended up with Starfire.
And Beast Boy with Raven.
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And be glad it happens fast because Comic Book universe. Real world, people don't just spontaneously mutate.
This made me think of this.
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Even IRL, there are a lot of people who idolize real-life murderers. I don't think the cops can stop gang crime, and I don't think any force on Earth can keep people from being idiots.
Heck, there are people today who romanticize and water-carry for horrible things from a few decades ago. Or even their own lifetime.
Or current affairs.
I'd be more specific, but that road leads to politics.
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The whole Splicers thing was to me an euphemism for designer drugs. People keep tweaking a single molecule to make them legal again after outlawing. Gene editing? Oh so modifying that gene is illegal? What about this one and that one to trigger a result that changes the first illegal one without modifying it directly?
Same with allowing people to patent work on parts of the human genome. Epigenetics shows how environmental changes can cause gene changes. If someone takes a cocktail of chemicals and it modifies something that should have never been patented, can that chemical compound maker get sued?
It all boils down to corporate greed and who has the bigger purse for suing. But the thing is, the "law" will never catch up with state of the art stuff.
Unless you blanket ban, and that will only create a black market you cannot control. What are you going to do? Force gene testing on people with cat ears and tails? They could have gotten mech implants and covered them with artificial fur. Governments are to protect freedom, not restrain self-improvement or modifying.
The lawsuits would be legendary for prejudice; pretty certain a slam dunk in some cases.
Same with allowing people to patent work on parts of the human genome. Epigenetics shows how environmental changes can cause gene changes. If someone takes a cocktail of chemicals and it modifies something that should have never been patented, can that chemical compound maker get sued?
It all boils down to corporate greed and who has the bigger purse for suing. But the thing is, the "law" will never catch up with state of the art stuff.
Unless you blanket ban, and that will only create a black market you cannot control. What are you going to do? Force gene testing on people with cat ears and tails? They could have gotten mech implants and covered them with artificial fur. Governments are to protect freedom, not restrain self-improvement or modifying.
The lawsuits would be legendary for prejudice; pretty certain a slam dunk in some cases.
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Plus the police can't exactly do much to combat the factors that lead to crime occurring in the first place.
Yeah, they can monitor and arrest the ones that do it, but in order to stop people from doing it in the first place you're going to need things like economic reform to prevent poverty related reasons for committing crime and mental health reform to combat mental/emotional reasons for committing crime.
Barbara may be smart, but she may not know how to go about fixing the whole system.
Any replacement she may have would just continue cleaning up the various problems that pop up, without getting rid of the factors that lead to the problems emerging, unless they have the necessary skills needed to fix the system.
And if they do have those skills then them being police commissioner is honestly a waste of time when they can go for political office.
Though I guess it can look good if they want to get elected and them advocating for those changes while they're commissioner could also help a bit.
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'than that accepting'?
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I thought it looked fantastic then, I still do. The movies were and remain, magnificent.
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Thank you, corrected.
I'm not sure that Starfire even exists in this setting. I don't remember any Earth 12 story -animated or comic- with her in it. Nightwing was certainly single when he showed up in the comics as an older man.Oh, my. Not unexpected, since we knew he loved Doctor Minerva regardless of how she looked. I can definitely understand her reluctance to have children though, especially if her... Condition could be inherited.
They do, but you've got to really work the controls. Or hope that the mental imprint control decides to work properly.Plus, I doubt Cosmic Rods or anything like that have the fine precision needed for the task.
None, because he doesn't. He has the gravity rod, the early version which Starman stopped using.
No, he turned himself into a giant snake. It helped. Terry is the one who turned him into a monster by stabbing him with spicing syringes.
Thank you, corrected.
To borrow a line from Red Letter Media: who was the main character of A New Hope? And who was the main character of Phantom Menace?
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I like some stuff represented in those movies, I like the ideas and the worldbuilding presented in the prequels, I like plenty of the characters and the broad strokes of their stories.
I respect your right to your opinion and your preferences. However, with all due respect, that opinion is garbage and they're bad movies.
A summary:
The issue is that some people didn't seem to manage properly their new genetic modifications and, as teenagers are wont to do, started doing shit or behaving erratically with their new abilities. The DA then decided that he didn't like the new "fad" and it was illegal, no actual law required apparently, so he started cracking down on the practice.
Dr. Cuvier, as mad scientists often do, went off the deep end and planned a hit on the DA that is trying to forbid his passion. Terry gets involved, obviously, and gets "spliced" as well with Bat DNA but still manages to save the DA and Commissioner Ex-Batgirl. Bruce reverses Terry's splicing, I imagine by using the knowledged archived from when Dr. Langstrom (Man-Bat) needed to be cured, and they use Bat-Dog to track Dr. Cuvier.
Final battle ensues, Terry uses the "cure" on the spliced Henchmen but the Dr. has become a chimera. Since he's losing, Terry has the "brilliant" idea to inject even more DNA splicers into his enemy, transforming him into a Chronenberg-like monster. Obviously he can't defeat that either and just subjected a guy to a fate worse than death, fortunately he's saved by Bat-Dog and they escape when the fight provokes a fire, leaving Dr. Cuvier to the mercy of a death by incineration.
After that I assume the DA got away with what he was doing by using the Dr. and his extremist actions as scapegoat and forcefully reversed all spliced individuals.
For full details see here.
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The episode establishes that some doses of splicing elevate aggression, culminating in McGinness nearly attacking Barbara Gordon and the DA after getting a bat splice megadose. So while reversing the splices to bring trial isn't /clearly/ legitimate, especially given the constitutional requirement of a individualized analysis, it's pretty plausible to /get/ that sort of individualized analysis. And Gotham of all places seems like it'd either not do that ever or have a prefilled form and rubber stamp
Its also not clear what extent splicing changes combat effectiveness. The show had a general problem with that, where it was never clear how much the new Batsuit was powered armor — sometimes McGinness is Donner-level strong with flight and Predator-style camo, sometimes he gets overpowered in hand to hand combat by a human-tier opponents. The splicer gang is at the lower level of that scale, with Barbara and the DA able to hold them off for a bit, but eg the tiger-splicer can smell through the Batsuit's camo, and the ram-splicer is almost as durable as Mad Stan.
Its also not clear what extent splicing changes combat effectiveness. The show had a general problem with that, where it was never clear how much the new Batsuit was powered armor — sometimes McGinness is Donner-level strong with flight and Predator-style camo, sometimes he gets overpowered in hand to hand combat by a human-tier opponents. The splicer gang is at the lower level of that scale, with Barbara and the DA able to hold them off for a bit, but eg the tiger-splicer can smell through the Batsuit's camo, and the ram-splicer is almost as durable as Mad Stan.
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"One of the benefits of being highly beloved and respected by unhinged individuals with a loose set of morals and only a passing respect for law and order.
If anything happens to me, everything burns and other assorted estoric effects."
Assumed Bruce would have told her or after Peter's office called her husband's office she would have known. Probably not gonna be happy about feeling getting jumped like that when she realizes that 2 people should have been aware and told her.
Imagine if that snake cult gets the idea to dial back their plans to use this precedent to be worked till they have the authority to make everyone scaly in a century. Legally.
Wonder if he'll get sued for that.