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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I think this is Early Installment Weirdness. That doesn't happen later in the series, and there was even a Baal who had his Goa'uld removed after 2000 years.
I assume they learned a effective removal method from their allies by then. There obviously is a correct way to do it, as we see it done, but it probably starts by preventing the parasite from overwriting the brain,

Also, I really like the "uses hosts brainpower" as a explination, as it provides a reason why they prefer to rejuvenate a host over taking a new one. There is likely some memory loss or some resetting costs that's best avoided.

Very happy to see more of False God! Paul.

Edit: and super super excited to see Jack's reaction to a real Power Ring.
 
I think this is Early Installment Weirdness. That doesn't happen later in the series, and there was even a Baal who had his Goa'uld removed after 2000 years.
Yeah, but Baal was removed with a Tok'Ra machine specifically developed for removing goa'uld.
I'd also assume that even with the ability to defeat Goa'uld ships, an actual fleet could probably still bombard the settlements on the world he's taken under his wing before he got them all.
That's the issue. A Ha'tak might be able to kill him in one hit, but it would be almost incapable of hitting him. Death Gliders could, though it would be difficult, and their weapons would batter down his constructs eventually. He'd probably want to get on board the ship and critically damage the generator rather than faff about outside.
 
It's worse than that. Kawalsky had his goa'uld chirurgically removed and destroyed, and it still controlled him.
No, he had it mostly removed.

They couldn't remove certain bits without killing him, and those regenerated.


All capital ships have the power output to kill him if he tries to tank the shots, there are also matter disassembler beams and implosion devises that should kill him in one shot.

Ascended beings could probably also kill him.

Remember Grayven almost died to a human briefcase nuke of a few kilotons and this Paul is far less durable, so if you catch him by surprise with any of the aforementioned weapons you can probably kill him...

Edit: And I mean by surprise but with his shielding still on, without his shield a dude with a bow can kill him.
There's also psychic powers and nano-tech that ignores what he thinks should be the rules of nano-tech.
 
I assume they learned a effective removal method from their allies by then. There obviously is a correct way to do it, as we see it done, but it probably starts by preventing the parasite from overwriting the brain,

If there's any method that works after 2000 years, then the parasite overwriting the brain can't be a real thing. Otherwise 2000 years would be plenty of time for the parasite to do it and once it has done so, even the Tok'ra method would be too late.
 
I've mocked up a capital ship style shield and breaking through it with a power ring isn't that difficult
Almost missed this.

Since when can he generate hundred megaton plus blasts without a supertech construct?

Or was that just the shields he mocked up from the super old tech on Mammon's ship?


If there's any method that works after 2000 years, then the parasite overwriting the brain can't be a real thing. Otherwise 2000 years would be plenty of time for the parasite to do it and once it has done so, even the Tok'ra method would be too late.
It's not a real thing.

It's either Paul being wrong, or a thing Zoat made up for his story due to misremembering the event in question. Either way, not worth worrying about it since WoG is already set.
 
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My 2 cents is that the setting is a lot more interesting if you go with the take that a Goa'uld uses their host's brain to operate. it explains a huge amount about why things work the way they do: The Goa'uld are basing a big chunk of their personalities on uneducated humans who belies that they are gods. it also allows for Goa'uld to change personalities and stuff upon taking a new host, they have a new brain to work with. it also means that Goa'uld outside of their hosts stop being sapient (even though they have all their memories they don't have the brain to really use them). Which makes the whole "every Jaffa has a Goa'uld in their stomach" thing a lot less bad.
 
Yeah, but Baal was removed with a Tok'Ra machine specifically developed for removing goa'uld.

I don't think that's correct, I mean Ba'al being removed by the Tokra definitely is, but the Asgard remove Goa'uld using beaming technology.

I'm having trouble finding the original but I think the issue was that they couldn't remove enough of the parasite using surgery. I'm pretty sure I remember them showing a second x-ray with the head of the parasite still in bedded in Kowalski's head.

I'll see if I can find the clip later.

For sure though the Goa'uld and Tokra can both leave hosts, and although the host can remember some things, it's clear the parasite doesn't retain control after leaving.

Edit: Yeah, just went back and re-watched. Although they appear to get the whole parasite with surgery, after they kill Kowlaski with the wormhole aperture, the head of the Goa'uld falls out the back of his open skull.

So while the little buggers are super resilient, they do still need to be in the host with at least a big chunk left to maintain control.
 
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My 2 cents is that the setting is a lot more interesting if you go with the take that a Goa'uld uses their host's brain to operate. it explains a huge amount about why things work the way they do: The Goa'uld are basing a big chunk of their personalities on uneducated humans who belies that they are gods. it also allows for Goa'uld to change personalities and stuff upon taking a new host, they have a new brain to work with. it also means that Goa'uld outside of their hosts stop being sapient (even though they have all their memories they don't have the brain to really use them). Which makes the whole "every Jaffa has a Goa'uld in their stomach" thing a lot less bad.
The problem with that idea is that they actually go into pretty big detail about the subject of how Goa'uld work over the course of the various series.
 
Mammon put it here because it wasn't worth taking with him on his travels because the other 'gods' he visited had ships that were superior to it but which were inferior to the ships given too him by the 'Supreme God' Ra.
'to him'
But I sent you my analysis of Metropolis policing pre and post-Superman."
'pre-'?
Mr. Atom raises his right hand and stares at his own palm. "Have I..? Taken over the world by accident? Was it always this simple?"
This is fucking gold. Mister Atom is the best.
Batman walks slowly out of the zeta tube. He body language doesn't suggest that he's irritated, though I note that he's still wearing the yellow ring.
'His body'
"You've reach Blue Lantern Two Eight One Four." He listens for a moment, then smiles. "Hey, Thana. How have you been?"
'reached'
"Apparently she's got a way it that's not quite as final as that. She wants us to come along."
'way in'
 
So my understanding of Stargate is Ra is killed in like, ancient Egyptian times back on Earth? Assuming that's correct, doesn't that place the actual tinelime way way back in the past?
 
Starring (part 7)
About Three Years Later
Afternoon


That… Wasn't fun.

Goa'uld tend to be… Strong-willed and domineering. Fine. No one who poses as a god is going to be shy and retiring. But there's a difference between someone like Bastet, who is a pretty decent autocrat within the technological limits which goa'uld set for themselves, and Am-heh.

Am-heh is not a good ruler.

Take criminal justice. On Bastet's throneworld Bubastis, most criminal investigations are handled by trained jaffa, and most punishments are corporal. Depending on the crime the perpetrator might be placed in the stocks or flogged. Murder, grave-robbing and corruption tend to result in execution by decapitation. Bastet actually gave me a lecture on the Ma'at Code, and she has some pretty strong feelings on order and sanctity. She strongly encourages her underlords to use a similar system, and she appeared genuinely pleased when I asked if I could borrow some of her investigators to train my own.

It was the most unguarded response I've seen from her.

On Syrania I've moved things away from floggings in favour of penal labour, but we don't really have the infrastructure for 'modern' rehabilitation. And… I'm reminded of the Tom Strong comic where he first leaves the island where he was born. For a moment he's surprised that a criminal subculture exists, but then he thinks about it and realises that it's a viable way to make a living in a city. Unlike the small island where he grew up and everyone knows everyone else and there isn't that much property to steal anyway. We just don't have a lot of crime.

Am-heh appears to consider it a bad day if he hasn't been able to throw a dozen people in the rock crusher. The slightest offence, the slightest step out of line, and he will gladly burn out the poor unfortunate's central nervous system with his kara kesh. Something I personally watched after a server failed to maintain his calm when Am-heh looked at him. The city-. Or rather, the town where he maintains his palace was liberally decorated with impaled and crucified corpses and the people moved like automatons when in public, afraid to look aside in case that was taken as cause for offence.

He actually required that I walk to his capital from the stargate without any retinue at all, and I suspect that it was only Bastet's letter of introduction that saved me from a strip search at the hands of his jaffa. But… The trip was… Technically successful. I now have a 'known' source for naquada, in exchange for supplying his desolate wasteland of a home with part of the food they require just to live here.

I didn't dare risk offering him better mining tools.

The village nearest the stargate is a little more upbeat than his captial, at least as long as I stop my eyes from glowing too much. They frequently receive trade caravans through the gate, and as a result they are a little more personable and a bit less… A bit less beaten. They still make themselves scarce when the jaffa garrison show up to escort a convoy to the capital, and…

And… I… Know perfectly well that I could kill Am-heh. I have a power ring, after all. I could probably ram my way through his defences, and if that was a bit too direct I could shoot him with an energy bolt on one of his few public appearances. But that would alert Bastet, and… She knows where Syrania is. Well, she knows the stargate address. It might take her a while to locate it with ships, but those symbols are constellations and I've seen her star charts. She definitely has the ability to narrow down my location enough to send a fleet.

Or should I..? Ask her? Is that how it works? Get permission from the System Lord to deal with an underlord who they aren't keen on? He's got a decent fleet and he's her empire's main source of naquada, which I imagine is why she hasn't forced the issue so far. Suppressing technology is one thing, but refusing to implement your boss's social policy and providing them with less tribute as a result might be more significant. I don't-.

I stop, blinking. Then I don't look at the group of four robe-wearing travellers I just walked past. Instead, I walk over to a stall selling some sort of fried tuber and focus.

Glasses do exist in Bastet's domain, but they're not common and a travelling merchant wouldn't wear them out in the open unless he was nearly blind. Two people with glasses, one of them a woman? And from the way they were looking around, they aren't frequent visitors.

Scan, and hope I'm about to get lucky.

Yes. Thank you, Jim diGriz.

I pay for the nearly-chips and turn away from the stall, heading towards the out of place visitors at a quick walk.

"Excuse me!"

Two turn, one glances at me and then looks around and the last keeps looking in the direction he had been heading in.

"Are you, er…" The closest man points to himself. "Talking to us?"

"Yes! I was hoping to speak to you about-."

"Look." The man who didn't turn around does so now, facing me. "Whatever you're selling, we're not buying it. We're just getting the lay of the land. So if you'll excuse us?"

"Funny thing, about people from industrial worlds." He remains where he is. "When they start burning coal in large quantities, quite a lot of radioactive material gets released. It's not to dangerous degrees, but it is noticeable."

"Oh?"

I take a step closer and lower my voice. "And if they've actually used fission weapons in their atmosphere, it's more noticeable still." The woman works out what I'm implying first, and glances at the… Well, he's a squad leader, isn't he?

"That sounds interesting." He doesn't seem concerned. "That sounds like an advanced weapon."

I nod. "Quite hard to make."

"Do you think a society like that would have other advanced weapons as well?"

"Probably."

"So do you think that bothering someone from a society like that might not be the best idea?"

Right. He has no reason to think that I am who I am. But-. Happy as I am to see them I don't know for sure that they come from Earth as opposed to a different advanced human world. The goa'uld don't rule everywhere that humans live, after all. And if they're committed to being unfriendly then I don't really want them to know who and what I am, because what they don't know they can't share. I've got a… Feeling that the secretive parts of the government are just going to want to come and take my planet away from me, and that's… Not acceptable. So… Goa'uld reformer? That will do for now.

I flare my eyes. "I'd live. Look-."

Three guns come up from under their robes, while the woman backs off before belatedly drawing her pistol as the travellers around us scatter, stall-holders duck and shop-keepers close their doors. I think I… Vaguely recognise those guns from Earth, but-. Ring, translation off.

"Still think you'd live?"

I know that accent. I glance in the general direction of the gate. "Given that I have a personal force field? Yes. Do you think that you would if the garrison heard you firing those? Am-heh is one of the few gods who actually guards his gate."

"What d'you want?"

"A private conversation on my own world. Then you're free to return to…" Another smile from me, but this time a little more sinister. "Whatever part of the United States of America you come from."

Because the chance of a group of people speaking modern English not coming from Earth is so small I don't know how to calculate it. Modern English only goes back a few hundred years before the thees and thous start creeping in, and American accents have only existed for… Three hundred years or so?

The leader's eyes narrow, but he lowers his gun, which prompts the others to do the same. Because me knowing that name is a bigger deal than spotting them. Ultimately, if they die then all that happens is that this planet would get marked down as 'dangerous' by whatever part of the US military is carrying out this exploration program. But if someone out here has a way of getting information on Earth, that might mean that Earth is in danger.

They need to investigate.

I half-turn away and raise my right hand, waving it at the people watching us from their places of shelter. "Just a misunderstanding! Just a misunderstanding! Nothing to worry about!"

I'm not sure that they believe me, but the soldiers hide their weapons again. One of them leans a little closer to the squad leader. "Sir, if we're going, we should go."

The squad leader considers me for a moment. "Yeah. Lead the way."
 
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'to him'
'pre-'?
'His body'
'reached'
'way in'
Thank you, corrected.
Edit: Yeah, just went back and re-watched. Although they appear to get the whole parasite with surgery, after they kill Kowlaski with the wormhole aperture, the head of the Goa'uld falls out the back of his open skull.

So while the little buggers are super resilient, they do still need to be in the host with at least a big chunk left to maintain control.
Oh, for goodness sake. Did Janet forget that goa'uld have heads?

Reminds me a little of the first man in Britain to get a sex change operation. They were somewhat astonished to find out afterwards that the chirurgeon left one of their testicles inside. 'Could you not count to two?'
 
Memory is a bit fuzzy, but I don't think they got doctor janet fraiser in time for the pilot episode...they were 'flying in the best people' but she didn't show up for a little while. So you get to blame what ever mook doctor they started off with. I don't think they would have fired one of the few medical professionals ever to see an alien snake, but they might have shipped him off to area 51 to sit and think about it for a while.
 
Or should I..? Ask her? Is that how it works? Get permission from the System Lord to deal with an underlord who they aren't keen on? He's got a decent fleet and he's her empire's main source of naquada, which I imagine is why she hasn't forced the issue so far. Suppressing technology is one thing, but refusing to implement your boss's social policy and providing them with less tribute as a result might be more significant. I don't-.
I feel like this is one of the areas where the Goa'uld's ancestral memory poses a significant risk of giving him away, because there are probably extremely specific bits of etiquette surrounding this sort of thing that all the actual Goa'uld are expected to know without needing to be taught.

If this Paul knows that he can get memories out of anyone he assimilates, or interrogate those he brands, he might be able to grab some goa'uld functionary or minor system lord from somewhere and interrogate them for the specifics of how it is acceptable to involve himself in this situation.
 
Oh, for goodness sake. Did Janet forget that goa'uld have heads?

Memory is a bit fuzzy, but I don't think they got doctor janet fraiser in time for the pilot episode
Correct.
This happened before Dr. Janet Fraiser became assigned to SGC. It was another doctor who performed the operation.

The surgery did remove a "husk" which looked to include a head. I blame them thinking they got all of it out on their unfamiliarity with the alien biology of the parasite.
 
About Three Years Later
Afternoon


That… Wasn't fun.

Goa'uld tend to be… Strong-willed and domineering. Fine. No one who poses as a god is going to be shy and retiring. But there's a difference between someone like Bastet, who is a pretty decent autocrat within the technological limits which goa'uld set for themselves, and Am-heh.

Am-heh is not a good ruler.
Ah, one of the nasty System lords. One who buys into his own myth and considers himself to actually be a god. Sadly, unless he pulls something against another Goa'uld's interests, they have no desire to replace him. Of course, with Ra dead... It's only a matter of time until someone feels up to it.

Take criminal justice. On Bastet's throneworld Tell Basta, most criminal investigations are handled by trained jaffa, and most punishments are corporal. Depending on the crime the perpetrator might be placed in the stocks or flogged. Murder, grave-robbing and corruption tend to result in execution by decapitation. Bastet actually gave me a lecture on the Ma'at Code, and she has some pretty strong feelings on order and sanctity. She strongly encourages her underlords to use a similar system, and she appeared genuinely pleased when I asked if I could borrow some of her investigators to train my own.
I suppose it's a reasonable enough system, and minimises repeat offences, anyway.

It was the most unguarded response I've seen from her.

On Syrania I've moved things away from floggings in favour of penal labour, but we don't really have the infrastructure for 'modern' rehabilitation. And… I'm reminded of the Tom Strong comic where he first leaves the island where he was born. For a moment he's surprised that a criminal subculture exists, but then he thinks about it and realises that it's a viable way to make a living in a city. Unlike the small island where he grew up and everyone knows everyone else and there isn't that much property to steal anyway. We just don't have a lot of crime.
Heh. Bit of a culture shock there, I guess. And having menial labour standing in for more violent punishments at least makes use of the offenders.

Am-heh appears to consider it a bad day if he hasn't been able to throw a dozen people in the rock crusher. The slightest offence, the slightest step out of line, and he will gladly burn out the poor unfortunate's central nervous system with his kara kesh. Something I personally watched after a server failed to maintain his calm when Am-heh looked at him. The city-. Or rather, the town where he maintains his palace was liberally decorated with impaled and crucified corpses and the people moved like automatons when in public, afraid to look aside in case that was taken as cause for offence.
Someone sounds like a sadistic bastard in need of killing. I'm sure someone can manage it soon enough.

He actually required that I walk to his capital from the stargate without any retinue at all, and I suspect that it was only Bastet's letter of introduction that saved me from a strip search at the hands of his jaffa. But… The trip was… Technically successful. I now have a 'known' source for naquada, in exchange for supplying his desolate wasteland of a home with part of the food they require just to live here.

I didn't dare risk offering him better mining tools.
Would have been a bit awkward if he'd had to remove the Ring, certainly. Since I doubt the mad fellow would have let him keep it on.

The village nearest the stargate is a little more upbeat than his captial, at least as long as I stop my eyes from glowing too much. They frequently receive trade caravans through the gate, and as a result they are a little more personable and a bit less… A bit less beaten. They still make themselves scarce when the jaffa garrison show up to escort a convoy to the capital, and…
The joy of not being in the despot's direct line of sight.

And… I… Know perfectly well that I could kill Am-heh. I have a power ring, after all. I could probably ram my way through his defences, and if that was a bit too direct I could shoot him with an energy bolt on one of his few public appearances. But that would alert Bastet, and… She knows where Syrania is. Well, she knows the stargate address. It might take her a while to locate it with ships, but those symbols are constellations and I've seen her star charts. She definitely has the ability to narrow down my location enough to send a fleet.
I assume he at least went looking for his world's stargate? Even if he keeps it on a moon or asteroid or something to prevent visitors, knowing where it is might be useful.

Or should I..? Ask her? Is that how it works? Get permission from the System Lord to deal with an underlord who they aren't keen on? He's got a decent fleet and he's her empire's main source of naquada, which I imagine is why she hasn't forced the issue so far. Suppressing technology is one thing, but refusing to implement your boss's social policy and providing them with less tribute as a result might be more significant. I don't-.

I stop, blinking. Then I don't look at the group of four robe-wearing travellers I just walked past. Instead, I walk over to a stall selling some sort of fried tuber and focus.
Oh-ho... Looks like he's found a few unscheduled visitors...

Glasses do exist in Bastet's domain, but they're not common and a travelling merchant wouldn't wear them out in the open unless he was nearly blind. Two people with glasses, one of them a woman? And from the way they were looking around, they aren't frequent visitors.

Scan, and hope I'm about to get lucky.
Two people with glasses? Not SG-1, then, unless Samantha Carter wears glasses in this timeline. Probably a different team, which explains why this visit never appeared on screen. (More likely the team ended up getting Am-Heh's attention and dying.)

Yes. Thank you, Jim diGriz.

I pay for the nearly-chips and turn away from the stall, heading towards the out of place visitors at a quick walk.
No doubt picking up quite a lot of concealed military weapons about their person.

"Excuse me!"

Two turn, one glances at me and then looks around and the last keeps looking in the direction he had been heading in.
Nice mix of reactions. Sadly, pretending he's not talking to you isn't going to get him to go away.

"Are you, er…" The closest man points to himself. "Talking to us?"

"Yes! I was hoping to speak to you about-."
I'm assuming Mammon-Paul is at least dressed in fancier clothes than the rest. Probably explains any concerned reactions.

"Look." The man who didn't turn around does so now, facing me. "Whatever you're selling, we're not buying it. We're just getting the lay of the land. So if you'll excuse us?"

"Funny thing, about people from industrial worlds." He remains where he is. "When they start burning coal in large quantities, quite a lot of radioactive material gets released. It's not to dangerous degrees, but it is noticeable."
And that's not a lie. After all, the fossilised plant matter is nasty stuff when burnt...

"Oh?"

I take a step closer and lower my voice. "And if they've actually used fission weapons in their atmosphere, it's more noticeable still." The woman works out what I'm implying first, and glances at the… Well, he's a squad leader, isn't he?
In other words, he's far too upstanding and upright to be any sort of goa'uld subject. :p

"That sounds interesting." He doesn't seem concerned. "That sounds like an advanced weapon."

I nod. "Quite hard to make."
Still playing dumb, eh? Honestly, it's amazing teams didn't get themselves into more trouble by not blending in.

"Do you think a society like that would have other advanced weapons as well?"

"Probably."

"So do you think that bothering someone from a society like that might not be the best idea?"
Oh, little man, you have no idea what you're facing. Though once Mammon does flash a construct, he might well call him a Green Lantern. :V

Right. He has no reason to think that I am who I am. But-. Happy as I am see them I don't know for sure that they come from Earth as opposed to a different advanced human world. The goa'uld don't rule everywhere that humans live, after all. And if they're committed to being unfriendly then I don't really want them to know who and what I am, because what they don't know they can't share. I've got a… Feeling that the secretive parts of the government are just going to want to come and take my planet away from me, and that's… Not acceptable. So… Goa'uld reformer? That will do for now.
And there's the Orange Light talking. 'What's mine is mine' and so on. At least he hasn't gone full Larfleeze.

I flare my eyes. "I'd live. Look-."

Three guns come up from under their robes, while the woman backs off before belatedly drawing her pistol as the travellers around us scatter, stall-holders duck and shop-keepers close their doors. I think I… Vaguely recognise those guns from Earth, but-. Ring, translation off.
Definitely not SG-1, since I doubt Daniel Jackson would have that level of 'trouble -> draw gun' instinct even after everything he'd been through.

"Still think you'd live?"

I know that accent. I glance in the general direction of the gate. "Given that I have a personal force field? Yes. Do you think that you would if the garrison heard you firing those? Am-heh is one of the few gods who actually guards his gate."
Which begs the question of how they got past the guards. Unless the gate doesn't have a round-the-clock watch...

"What d'you want?"

"A private conversation on my own world. Then you're free to return to…" Another smile from me, but this time a little more sinister. "Whatever part of the United States of America you come from."
And that would be ringing alarm bells in their heads right now. Because no-one off Earth would know names like that.

Because the chance of a group of people speaking modern English not coming from Earth is so small I don't know how to calculate it. Modern English only goes back a few hundred years before the thees and thous start creeping in, and American accents have only existed for… Three hundred years or so?
Maybe less, at least in truly modern forms. Language is an ever-changing thing, and an accent can sometimes be here today, gone tomorrow in the time-scales of civilisations.

The leader's eyes narrow, but he lowers his gun, which prompts the others to do the same. Because me knowing that name is a bigger deal than spotting them. Ultimately, if they die then all that happens is that this planet would get marked down as 'dangerous' by whatever part of the US military is carrying out this exploration program. But if someone out here has a way of getting information on Earth, that might mean that Earth is in danger.
Since then the System Lords might send a Ha'tak or two over, given they've probably found the Earth Gate is not friendly to uninvited guests.

They need to investigate.

I half-turn away and raise my right hand, waving it at the people watching us from their places of shelter. "Just a misunderstanding! Just a misunderstanding! Nothing to worry about!"
Also, good work nearly blowing their covert operation.

I'm not sure that they believe me, but the soldiers hide their weapons again. One of them leans a little closer to the squad leader. "Sir, if we're going, we should go."

The squad leader considers me for a moment. "Yeah. Lead the way."
Though I would not be surprised if their leaving with him is taken note of by anyone watching the gate.

And so Mammon's plot-line meets the Stargate Command's plot-lines. Now, who this team is and whether they'll mind him tagging along to Earth remains to be seen. I'm sure their science division is going to be very interested in his Ring, though they'll probably get a 'No thank you' to any requests to study it. Still, this might well be their second non-System Lord ally after Teal'c's Jaffa faction.
 
Ah, one of the nasty System lords

So a pretty standard one.

More likely the team ended up getting Am-Heh's attention and dying.)

Or they got the hell out of there.

And there's the Orange Light talking. 'What's mine is mine' and so on. At least he hasn't gone full Larfleeze.

Not necessarily ring corruption, but just him adopting that mindset to better use the ring.

Definitely not SG-1, since I doubt Daniel Jackson would have that level of 'trouble -> draw gun' instinct even after everything he'd been through.

Plus there was no mention of Teal'c's jaffa symbol.
 
In the show or just the movie? Afair they basically just treated them as phone numbers. Which makes sense cause the "point of origin" plotline makes no sense with the size of the gate network.
Both.

And no, they didn't, there were entire plot lines based around the gate networks coordinate system. With them using gate addresses to find real space locations multiple times through out the series.
 
Which is the same thing since a Stargate address is a three dimensional galactic spatial coordinate.
Which is why Mammon-Paul says Bastet can use the address to send her fleet to his world, immediately in the following sentences.
It might take her a while to locate it with ships, but those symbols are constellations and I've seen her star charts. She definitely has the ability to narrow down my location enough to send a fleet.
 
About Three Years Later
Afternoon
Props for using a team that isn't SG-1.

Still a shame about the sandbagging. The lantern has been there 13 years and hasn't even managed to discover basic etiquette and procedure?

It might take her a while to locate it with ships, but those symbols are constellations and I've seen her star charts.
Good technobabble is nonsense that sounds plausible and is used consistently. Bad technobabble is something provably and blatantly wrong.
Think about what 'constellations' actually are for five seconds.
 
Zoat, there is no link for this chapter in the spoiler box.
There is one for part 8, but it leads nowhere.
Thank you, corrected.
I feel like this is one of the areas where the Goa'uld's ancestral memory poses a significant risk of giving him away, because there are probably extremely specific bits of etiquette surrounding this sort of thing that all the actual Goa'uld are expected to know without needing to be taught.
That's something that actual goa'uld are very careful about, because the etiquette varies from System Lord to System Lord.
If this Paul knows that he can get memories out of anyone he assimilates, or interrogate those he brands, he might be able to grab some goa'uld functionary or minor system lord from somewhere and interrogate them for the specifics of how it is acceptable to involve himself in this situation.
Yes, that would be very helpful.
Ah, one of the nasty System lords. One who buys into his own myth and considers himself to actually be a god. Sadly, unless he pulls something against another Goa'uld's interests, they have no desire to replace him. Of course, with Ra dead... It's only a matter of time until someone feels up to it.
No, an underlord. And to be fair to him, it was conclusively established in universe that using the sarcophagus eventually drives you mad however you started, and the goa'uld didn't know that. He might have been an okay god-king once upon a time.
I assume he at least went looking for his world's stargate? Even if he keeps it on a moon or asteroid or something to prevent visitors, knowing where it is might be useful.
Either there wasn't one or Ra took it after he killed Mammon. The SI went an 'acquired' one from elsewhere.
Props for using a team that isn't SG-1.
Thank you.
Still a shame about the sandbagging. The lantern has been there 13 years and hasn't even managed to discover basic etiquette and procedure?
'How do I politely murder someone' isn't basic, and he's been more concerned with building up his own planet.
Good technobabble is nonsense that sounds plausible and is used consistently. Bad technobabble is something provably and blatantly wrong.
Think about what 'constellations' actually are for five seconds.
Yes. Most System Lords have three dimensional starcharts which allow them to work out what constellations would look like from large parts of the galaxy. Everywhere has constellations even if they're not the same as the ones we have on Earth.
 

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