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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)
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That's very clever, but also very dangerous, you're potentially changing their faith into something more constructive, but by incorporating this new truth you're also, potentially, massively expanding it's scope and reach in a world desperately seeking answers to what they've experienced. As such you risk elevating thuggee, and specifically Kobra's interpretation of that faith world wide.
I see two main problems with that, firstly that the faith likely already has sacred teachings that apply to the new age, now that you've recontextualized this for Eve, which given everything else we've ever seen from Kobra is probably bad.
And secondly, even if there are no hidden precepts on what Kobra is supposed to do now that they've reached their new age, you're still potential setting up a new world religion whose core members are wackos.
I foresee much suffering.
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I kinda wish he could've talked to his counterpart on Earth 10. That version also thought he could just stay separate from the rest of the world and that life would work out on its own. He sadly realizes far too late how wrong he was, and there's not much he can do to change things without doing something so drastic that he couldn't do it without changing who he is forever.
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How much does Dr Mist actually know about the Life Entity? His enlightenment came from catching a glimpse of it and it must have liked him to link to him like it is now. But does he actually know anything about it beyond broad strokes?
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How much does anyone know about the Entity? As far as I recall, we just know that it represents and embodies the White Light of Life, but beyond that... What exactly is there to know?
At this point it's obvious the connection with the other Emotional Spectrum Lights and its nature as counter to concepts of Death. But I don't think we know its history, where it came from, how it relates to the Source or anything else.
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This is reminding me of the discussion with Hecate where the Cats came up, that was somewhat interesting.
Going back and looking that up brought me to a section on how the gods of India worked around their titans.
I wonder if any of that will come up.
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I forget, are we going with original origin Dr. Mist? Because that one comes with plenty of experience as a King and life avatar.
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It seems like that's the case.
This version said that he was a slave, but that he rose very high, so he may have become a king.
Trivialities (part 28)
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11th April 2013
20:47 GMT +5:30
She would. Quite a lot, as it happens.
The soldiers of the Indian S.A.S. don't hesitate, shooting members of the Kobra breakaway group dead rather than bothering to take them into custody. The Indian government was perfectly aware of the nuclear detonation and had been scrambling for a response when I dropped by to explain things to them.
Bleez watches the scene calmly. "This is more like what I was expecting."
"Oh?"
"The Empire's government has been making a big deal of hunting down all of the Seven Devil cultists. I didn't even know we had gibbets."
Kara's back with Dr. Balewa and Lady Eve, guarding him while he keeps trying to talk them around to his way of seeing things. I don't personally believe in the Hindu epoch cycle… In fact, I don't think that it can be true, based on what I know about how magic works. But they do, and he can sort of connect what they believe to reality.
"They're not that hard to make."
I generate a construct digger and scoop up enough earth for a burial pit. I think Kobra-devotees prefer cremation, but if they wanted me to care then they shouldn't have helped their brethren acquire, prime and transport a nuclear bomb. The soldiers who had been going to fetch shovels wave their thanks and start throwing the bodies in the hole.
"I don't understand why you're treating Lady Eve differently. She's their leader, right?"
"One of them. And yes, I'm sure that she's been directly and indirectly responsible for a lot of deaths."
She keeps watching the disposal of the bodies, wingtips blurring to vent stress. "So why aren't you killing them?"
"Because Doctor Mist has command. Because we don't know where everyone in their organisation is and persuading her to tell us is easier than doing a neural trawl. Because if she spends the rest of her life doing productive work then she might work off a tiny part of her debt to civilisation. Because we could really do with the manpower. Because I'm interested to see if anyone else can use the sort of magic that Doctor Mist does."
"On Thanagar… We'd just kill them. On Havania, too."
"And I'm not completely sure that you'd be wrong to." I shrug as I pour the earth back over the impromptu grave. "I hope you would be… But I don't know."
"That's not a Thanagarian way of handling things." She raises her right arm to point at the soldiers who are marching back to their transport vehicles. "That is. Aren't these guys, like, basically your Seven Devil cultists?"
"No. The Seven Devils are very real and actively involve themselves in their worshippers' affairs as much as they can. Kobra members are just violent criminals, with no more supernatural backing than anyone can get." Speaking of… "How is Vulcan getting on?"
"My mother wasn't sure about having him as a guest. And I was like, 'Mother, he's a god' and she just went on about him being a magical alien… It was a whole thing. And then he proved that he can make Nth Metal and suddenly she's a whole lot more polite."
"Can he teach people?"
"I don't think the government wants him to have acolytes? They're just taking a bunch of readings to see if they can copy what he does with technology. I don't really know how it's going."
"I'm glad to hear that he's getting on well." Hm. "You should probably have told your mother where you were going."
Her head jerks around, eyes narrowing. "No, I shouldn't."
"Oh?"
"If I told anyone, they'd be a record of what I said. I don't want to be-. I don't want him to make me his concubine, ugh, but if he knows someone else knows where I am then they're a target too."
"Is the fact that you're from Havania a secret?"
"No? But what's the point in going there if I'm not there and no one knows where I am?"
"Your mother's not an idiot, Bleez. She's already had her security people go over the footage of your concert, and she knows that you've been communicating with me." She pulls her wings in slightly. "The constructs of Sinestro Corpsmen are catalysed by fear. And if your homeworld was ravaged, occupied, your mother and other friends taken prisoner, tortured… That would mean more fear, and stronger constructs for him. And given the sort of person that I suspect Sinestro is recruiting-."
The tips of her wings are vibrating fast enough to hum.
"Do you want me to comm Sinestro and ask him what's going on directly?"
"B… And… And he can just order the guy to get lost?"
"He can. Though I suspect that if he does it's more because he doesn't like his minions slacking off rather than out of any actual moral considerations."
"And what else might he do? I don't want to make things worse."
"He might attack Havania immediately. I don't know how big his Corps is yet or if he's planning on doing anything with the Thanagarian Empire. I am completely confident of my ability to kill a regular Sinestro Corpsman. I'm not confident of my ability to kill him, and most of my support is on the other side of the galaxy. Normally, I could put together a team on Earth, but we're all a bit busy at the moment."
"Then what-. Where should I go?"
"Tamaran is an option. So is J. I could drop you off on Maltus, though you'd have trouble getting back on your own."
"J?"
"It's a plant world. Nice enough place. Bit weird. Sort of like Alstair without the political awkwardness. I.. should probably check up on them at some point."
"Could they fight Sinestro?"
"Gosh no."
"How about Tamaran?"
"Maybe, if the stars aligned. Two Orange Lanterns over there, as well as a high-tier human psychic and some fairly sophisticated space fleets. And a couple of physical gods, but I've got no idea how to get them to do anything."
"I don't-. What do you think I should-?"
I frown for a moment, then look at my left hand. "Ring, call Sinestro."
"Calling."
"Wait, what?"
"The Sinestro Corps gets stronger the more afraid of them you are. So don't be afraid."
Sinestro's full body image appears in front of us.
"Illustres. I trust that you have things in hand."
"Yes, your ring worked perfectly, thank you. No more Anti-Life on Earth."
His expression doesn't really change. "Interesting. It may be worth considering long-term cooperation where Apokolips is concerned."
"Honestly, I'd be happy to cooperate generally. But perhaps that's a bit much. The other reason why I'm calling is-"
Send image.
"-this chap. Now, I realise that I don't know exactly what sort of discipline you've got your people working under, but I'd be surprised to learn that they were supposed to be stalking popular musicians."
His eyes narrow. "They are not. I will… Have a rather sharp word."
I smile at him. "Thank you, I appreciate it. Illustres out."
20:47 GMT +5:30
She would. Quite a lot, as it happens.
The soldiers of the Indian S.A.S. don't hesitate, shooting members of the Kobra breakaway group dead rather than bothering to take them into custody. The Indian government was perfectly aware of the nuclear detonation and had been scrambling for a response when I dropped by to explain things to them.
Bleez watches the scene calmly. "This is more like what I was expecting."
"Oh?"
"The Empire's government has been making a big deal of hunting down all of the Seven Devil cultists. I didn't even know we had gibbets."
Kara's back with Dr. Balewa and Lady Eve, guarding him while he keeps trying to talk them around to his way of seeing things. I don't personally believe in the Hindu epoch cycle… In fact, I don't think that it can be true, based on what I know about how magic works. But they do, and he can sort of connect what they believe to reality.
"They're not that hard to make."
I generate a construct digger and scoop up enough earth for a burial pit. I think Kobra-devotees prefer cremation, but if they wanted me to care then they shouldn't have helped their brethren acquire, prime and transport a nuclear bomb. The soldiers who had been going to fetch shovels wave their thanks and start throwing the bodies in the hole.
"I don't understand why you're treating Lady Eve differently. She's their leader, right?"
"One of them. And yes, I'm sure that she's been directly and indirectly responsible for a lot of deaths."
She keeps watching the disposal of the bodies, wingtips blurring to vent stress. "So why aren't you killing them?"
"Because Doctor Mist has command. Because we don't know where everyone in their organisation is and persuading her to tell us is easier than doing a neural trawl. Because if she spends the rest of her life doing productive work then she might work off a tiny part of her debt to civilisation. Because we could really do with the manpower. Because I'm interested to see if anyone else can use the sort of magic that Doctor Mist does."
"On Thanagar… We'd just kill them. On Havania, too."
"And I'm not completely sure that you'd be wrong to." I shrug as I pour the earth back over the impromptu grave. "I hope you would be… But I don't know."
"That's not a Thanagarian way of handling things." She raises her right arm to point at the soldiers who are marching back to their transport vehicles. "That is. Aren't these guys, like, basically your Seven Devil cultists?"
"No. The Seven Devils are very real and actively involve themselves in their worshippers' affairs as much as they can. Kobra members are just violent criminals, with no more supernatural backing than anyone can get." Speaking of… "How is Vulcan getting on?"
"My mother wasn't sure about having him as a guest. And I was like, 'Mother, he's a god' and she just went on about him being a magical alien… It was a whole thing. And then he proved that he can make Nth Metal and suddenly she's a whole lot more polite."
"Can he teach people?"
"I don't think the government wants him to have acolytes? They're just taking a bunch of readings to see if they can copy what he does with technology. I don't really know how it's going."
"I'm glad to hear that he's getting on well." Hm. "You should probably have told your mother where you were going."
Her head jerks around, eyes narrowing. "No, I shouldn't."
"Oh?"
"If I told anyone, they'd be a record of what I said. I don't want to be-. I don't want him to make me his concubine, ugh, but if he knows someone else knows where I am then they're a target too."
"Is the fact that you're from Havania a secret?"
"No? But what's the point in going there if I'm not there and no one knows where I am?"
"Your mother's not an idiot, Bleez. She's already had her security people go over the footage of your concert, and she knows that you've been communicating with me." She pulls her wings in slightly. "The constructs of Sinestro Corpsmen are catalysed by fear. And if your homeworld was ravaged, occupied, your mother and other friends taken prisoner, tortured… That would mean more fear, and stronger constructs for him. And given the sort of person that I suspect Sinestro is recruiting-."
The tips of her wings are vibrating fast enough to hum.
"Do you want me to comm Sinestro and ask him what's going on directly?"
"B… And… And he can just order the guy to get lost?"
"He can. Though I suspect that if he does it's more because he doesn't like his minions slacking off rather than out of any actual moral considerations."
"And what else might he do? I don't want to make things worse."
"He might attack Havania immediately. I don't know how big his Corps is yet or if he's planning on doing anything with the Thanagarian Empire. I am completely confident of my ability to kill a regular Sinestro Corpsman. I'm not confident of my ability to kill him, and most of my support is on the other side of the galaxy. Normally, I could put together a team on Earth, but we're all a bit busy at the moment."
"Then what-. Where should I go?"
"Tamaran is an option. So is J. I could drop you off on Maltus, though you'd have trouble getting back on your own."
"J?"
"It's a plant world. Nice enough place. Bit weird. Sort of like Alstair without the political awkwardness. I.. should probably check up on them at some point."
"Could they fight Sinestro?"
"Gosh no."
"How about Tamaran?"
"Maybe, if the stars aligned. Two Orange Lanterns over there, as well as a high-tier human psychic and some fairly sophisticated space fleets. And a couple of physical gods, but I've got no idea how to get them to do anything."
"I don't-. What do you think I should-?"
I frown for a moment, then look at my left hand. "Ring, call Sinestro."
"Calling."
"Wait, what?"
"The Sinestro Corps gets stronger the more afraid of them you are. So don't be afraid."
Sinestro's full body image appears in front of us.
"Illustres. I trust that you have things in hand."
"Yes, your ring worked perfectly, thank you. No more Anti-Life on Earth."
His expression doesn't really change. "Interesting. It may be worth considering long-term cooperation where Apokolips is concerned."
"Honestly, I'd be happy to cooperate generally. But perhaps that's a bit much. The other reason why I'm calling is-"
Send image.
"-this chap. Now, I realise that I don't know exactly what sort of discipline you've got your people working under, but I'd be surprised to learn that they were supposed to be stalking popular musicians."
His eyes narrow. "They are not. I will… Have a rather sharp word."
I smile at him. "Thank you, I appreciate it. Illustres out."
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Yeah, Mist may actually be the most resistant to the Anti-Life due to his enlightenment, so getting him to potentially make others enlightened would come in handy if Darkseid comes around.
"they can"
Honestly that might actually help them develop their power, since they'd be causing fear.
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Should be J, not O, I believe.
Interesting to see that he's so willing to press like that. Also looks like he's upped his appraisal of sinestro - earlier on he thought that there'd be a pretty good chance that he'd be a relative pushover but now...
Hard to say, it seems. Worst case scenario, Sinestro's figured out fear honden porting and he's essentially impossible to track down and defeat with any permanence - which wouldn't even be too odd, given that I could see him getting a bunch of readings of Paul's abilities from working with the reach and the deputy rings.
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So those executed were the break away Kobra they capture before and this Kara was all mental about, right?
I felt the Illustres was getting a bit callous about Bleez' worries, when in the first place he's the one that warned her about. But it seems to be resolved for the moment so I guess everything is cool? And turns out it might be beneficial to be on friendly/non-aggressive terms with the Sinestro Corps.
I'm really curious about what Sinestro might be doing. Could he be preparing for the War of Light? Or is he trying to find effective Yellow Light users to actually create a Corps for something else?
I felt the Illustres was getting a bit callous about Bleez' worries, when in the first place he's the one that warned her about. But it seems to be resolved for the moment so I guess everything is cool? And turns out it might be beneficial to be on friendly/non-aggressive terms with the Sinestro Corps.
I'm really curious about what Sinestro might be doing. Could he be preparing for the War of Light? Or is he trying to find effective Yellow Light users to actually create a Corps for something else?
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Sinestro is also allied with Joseph Harrolds, the Earth -16 Ex-Power Ring. Isn't that guy the Avatar of Parallax or something like that? And the Old Citadellian also got Fear Enlightenment, if memory serves. So the Illustres can't be certain that he could take on the possible leadership of the Sinestro Corps, he would probably need support and a team, and his allies are pretty occupied right now.
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This is why I enjoyed Renegade!Paul's infiltration into the Light. Especially the scene with The Brain. I wish we got some stories about that shadowy hero in his justice league, tales of working with villains in ways that make his squad cringe or laugh. Ah well, Grayven serves well enough, like when he talks to Wonder Woman.
Wait. I wonder if Luna and Jade are ever gonna talk. They probably have something to discuss other than Grayven, but he's the divine elephant in the room. As for comparing their relationships? Well, that world's Paul does have another century of life experience and such due to the Sheeda situation, he isn't the same man who "deceived" Jade. And Luna must know just about everything regarding that first anti-life visit with Darkseid. Jade just wasn't the most interesting part of the story.
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To be fair, it's not surprising the government was lagging behind. It's only been two hours in-universe since the detonation (back in 'Trivialities 23'.) Their military command probably had overflights within ten minutes, but aerial reconnaissance over a recent nuclear detonation is not easy.
Mass executions? Yeah, about what I'd expect of a totalitarian government like Thanagar's. At least here, the executed are the people involved.
Yeah, probably a good thing she's focused on that. Bet she still has an ear out on you guys, though.
Yeah, you pull an atrocity like that, you don't get your post-mortem religious wishes respected.
But according to her, not the ones these idiots caused. And with all his effective built-in lie detectors, it'd be very hard to fool them all.
And this way, it's a legal, government-approved penalty for big crimes. Even Kara would probably be hesitant to comment on that, dead people or not
Well, he is an Orange Lantern. He doesn't throw something - or someone - away until he's wrung every bit of use out of them.
Which is probably fortunate. If some Hindu deity involved themselves, that would blow the whole power-scaling out of whack. Seriously, their sagas escalate harder than Taylor Herbert. It'd be like 'Asura's Wrath' out there. Which is unsurprising, as the latter was inspired by the former.
Turns out being able to make the most valuable thing in their entire civilisation buys a lot of good will.
After all, the government would want a monopoly on the production. If it's reproducible scientifically, good, they can make sure they control the only methods. If he teaches others, they'd be hard pressed to keep them all under their thumb.
You're that afraid of this Yellow Lantern guy?
Leverage, dear. He could conquer Havania, out the word out that he'll release them if you come to him, and wait. Whether he'd follow through with his promise, that's debatable.
Obsessives who enjoy being feared. In whatever sense that means to them. If nothing else, all the different flavours of fear are providing useful data to optimise selection.
...Oh, yeah. Completely forgot that's an option.
Best case, he revokes the guy's membership... While he's in deep space.
We still don't know what this Sinestro's full capabilities are, any kinds of Enlightenment he's gained, that sort of thing. Honestly, I suspect we won't until we meet him in person, and I also suspect Mr Zoat is dreading the day he has to start writing that many additional Enlightened quotes.
And that's just the easy options.
...YEs, that's something of a problem you have, OL. Too many irons in the fire, not enough checking they haven't melted away yet.
...Well, that's... Accurate, especially if their GL is off-world.
Wait, physical Gods? Did X'Hal show up or something? I'm drawing a blank...
Of course, their faces when this works...
Yeah, turns out Sinestro's Ring Call Address isn't hidden. His physical location, sure, but he could call Green Lanterns or the Guardians any time he wanted to talk at them.
No that he needs to present his appearance as he actually is. For all we know, he's sitting in a bathtub with a couple of pliable ladies... Washing his back, of course.
I doubt he'd be unfaithful to his wife even after this long.Which sadly informs him that yes, the White Light can be called up, albeit only in direst need and through difficult circumstances.
It's not like their ultimate goals are that different. A safer, saner universe. It's just the processes they use and the final state of that sanity that's the biggest points of contention.
Ooh, busted, loser.
Now, whether that'll put him off chasing Bleez, or make him laser-focused on causing her suffering... That remains to be seen.
Well, that's both subplots mostly sorted in a single chapter. I expect OL will flit off to something new soon, leaving Doctor Mist to handle the Kobra matter. Hopefully he'll also give Bleez a faster ride home, if only so he can double check a few things out that way. So unless something comes up, we'll probably be off to an Alt!Paul next...
Aren't these guys, like, basically your Seven Devil cultists?
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I have two questions in regards to this story. Sorry if they were already answered in advance, but I didn't see anything about them in the-page-that-shall-not-be-talked-about, so I decided to ask here.
One: Does Paul come from the same Earth/Universe as Superboy-Prime? I doubt it, considering that DC Comics can't seem to make up their minds on which Earth is "our real life", not to mention that DC multiverse lore logic dictates that there can be more than one version of that specific Earth in the multiverse, but I am a bit curious about what you have to say about it. Plus, "Orange Lantern-Prime" sounds like less of a mouthful than "Orange Lantern 2814", if you ask me.
Two: Could Bloodwynd's gem be connected to the red light in some way? If so, could a red lantern use it to recharge their ring or boost it's power? I'm asking because it was apparently created by magic out of the sheer rage and hatred of a group of impoverished, brutalized slaves. Not to mention that the red light does have a magical element to it thanks to Atrocitus's blood magic, so there might be a connection between the gem and the red light of rage. Plus, the gem also has a pocket dimension in it that seems really similar to a power ring's subspace pocket dimension too. And lastly, the gem itself is obviously blood red.
One: Does Paul come from the same Earth/Universe as Superboy-Prime? I doubt it, considering that DC Comics can't seem to make up their minds on which Earth is "our real life", not to mention that DC multiverse lore logic dictates that there can be more than one version of that specific Earth in the multiverse, but I am a bit curious about what you have to say about it. Plus, "Orange Lantern-Prime" sounds like less of a mouthful than "Orange Lantern 2814", if you ask me.
Two: Could Bloodwynd's gem be connected to the red light in some way? If so, could a red lantern use it to recharge their ring or boost it's power? I'm asking because it was apparently created by magic out of the sheer rage and hatred of a group of impoverished, brutalized slaves. Not to mention that the red light does have a magical element to it thanks to Atrocitus's blood magic, so there might be a connection between the gem and the red light of rage. Plus, the gem also has a pocket dimension in it that seems really similar to a power ring's subspace pocket dimension too. And lastly, the gem itself is obviously blood red.
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Thank you, corrected.
X'Hal and Auron. They're in the area, but they're not doing anything very much. The fact of their existence isn't a secret locally, only the specifics.
He was possessed by Parallax, if that's what you mean. He didn't like it much and has no intention of doing it again, even if he regards the experience as beneficial overall.
As far as he knows, no.
Technically, he isn't Orange Lantern 2814 any longer. He's Illustres.
No. Bloodwynd was Martian Manhunter faking being someone else. The gem is a distraction from his shapeshifting and telekinesis.
Next episode. Probably. I mean, it's about what happened to him but I haven't finished writing it yet.
No.
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Given you barely know anything about magic outside of the one branch that you're trying to science that's not really saying much.
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Yeah, I'm guessing that's because he's connected to a Titan of some kind, so he's not dependent on worship in order to have power or continue existing.
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Sinestro: I have never felt so humiliated in my life, you little cretin. When I get called by one of my peers about one of my men misbehaving, I expect a ruined planet, friendly fire, alliance with the wrong sort of galactic threat. Not because they were stalking a singer like some two bit thug. Even worse, she noticed you! Are you really that incompetent that a civilian with no training could tell you apart in the middle of a crowd?!
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Given all we have see Paul do and given the sort of people Sinestro loses to in the various canons I have no clue why Paul is concerned about that this. Even without Ophidian backing him up his odds are very good.
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You may assume for the purpose of this story that Sinestro is as skilled as a veteran Lantern in his position should be.
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As skilled as Paul thinks a veteran Lantern in his position should be, or as skilled as, say, Kilowog thinks a veteran Lantern in his position should be?