With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Darko]

Mr Zoat tends to dislike beings of certain powers levels.

Hence why he more or less wrote out Brainiac, Lucifer, and likely Doomsday.

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Lucifer kinda wrote himself out of the story when he left the universe.

And Brainiac did show up in the YJ comics, so he may show up in the story.

He's also not really that powerful compared to other entities that Zoat has already used.

 

[xSieg]

closest we've gotten was in an alternate universe, not sure which one, where a child-like pseudo Doomsday was part of a team that was sent against... Grayven i think? i dunno, it's been a while

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I *think* I know what you're talking about but, if I'm correct, you're misremembering.

If it was when Grayven went to Apokalips in the Justice Lords universe after detecting an odd signature from his Godhead from a proof of concept scan done on him by Sunset when she was trying to manufacture an ascension ritual for alicorns

He got ganked by the son of Superman and Lashina. I kind of wish we got to see that universe again, honestly.

 

[Lord Ernest]

I *think* I know what you're talking about but, if I'm correct, you're misremembering.

If it was when Grayven went to Apokalips in the Justice Lords universe after detecting an odd signature from his Godhead from a proof of concept scan done on him by Sunset when she was trying to manufacture an ascension ritual for alicorns

He got ganked by the son of Superman and Lashina. I kind of wish we got to see that universe again, honestly.

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He might be referring to when Grayven visited the DC cinematic universe, stopped Steppenwolf's whole plot and then posed as an evil alien conqueror (which he kinda is and kinda isn't?) to still instigate a Justice League; he even released the governments of the world's crimes through the internet.

I think he convinced an alien experimented by Russians to join him, Captain Atom, was dragging around Queen Hyppolyta, and the US government sicced on him a pseudo-Doomsday with the mind of a kid and some guys in power armor or special abilities fuelled by Kryptonite. I believe even though he was trying to provoke the heroes into uniting and creating the Justice League they were actually agreeing with him because he was being really reasonable.

 

[CrazyNoVa]

i know Doomsday was the product of multiple forced mutations and cloning and iterations to continuously improve, but i didn't realize it was Red Kryptonite that was used. as a matter of fact, i just realized i don't even know what species Doomsday was when the experiments first started. was he a Kryptonian, an animal, something else?



closest we've gotten was in an alternate universe, not sure which one, where a child-like pseudo Doomsday was part of a team that was sent against... Grayven i think? i dunno, it's been a while

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I *think* I know what you're talking about but, if I'm correct, you're misremembering.

If it was when Grayven went to Apokalips in the Justice Lords universe after detecting an odd signature from his Godhead from a proof of concept scan done on him by Sunset when she was trying to manufacture an ascension ritual for alicorns

He got ganked by the son of Superman and Lashina. I kind of wish we got to see that universe again, honestly.

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He might be referring to when Grayven visited the DC cinematic universe, stopped Steppenwolf's whole plot and then posed as an evil alien conqueror (which he kinda is and kinda isn't?) to still instigate a Justice League; he even released the governments of the world's crimes through the internet.

I think he convinced an alien experimented by Russians to join him, Captain Atom, was dragging around Queen Hyppolyta, and the US government sicced on him a pseudo-Doomsday with the mind of a kid and some guys in power armor or special abilities fuelled by Kryptonite. I believe even though he was trying to provoke the heroes into uniting and creating the Justice League they were actually agreeing with him because he was being really reasonable.

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Yeah, I remember. It happened during the renegade segments in the episode where Paul met the Power Rangers.

Mighty Morphin' Lantern Rangers, correct?

 

[Stsword]

i know Doomsday was the product of multiple forced mutations and cloning and iterations to continuously improve, but i didn't realize it was Red Kryptonite that was used. as a matter of fact, i just realized i don't even know what species Doomsday was when the experiments first started. was he a Kryptonian, an animal, something else?

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It wasn't red K.

Doomsday's original origin he was made on Krypton by a non Kryptonian scientist and definitely was not a Kryptonian himself- He couldn't even breath the atmosphere of Krypton. If the predators didn't get him, he suffocated. He never even adapted to Krypton's atmosphere- He adapted to not need to breathe at all.

Many later versions make Doomsday Kryptonian or partially Kryptonian genetically- DCAU, DCEU, Smallville, off the top of my head.

Currently in the comics Doomsday is so old the details of his origin are unknown- He was built on Krypton before the period of isolationism to kill Darkseid. He could be based on Kryptonian DNA, other alien, or a transgenic made from who knows how many races.

However, there is a Green Lantern that looks a whole lot like Doomsday- Turytt.

 

[Vaermina]

Lucifer kinda wrote himself out of the story when he left the universe.

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Years back Mr Zoat literally said he wrote Lucifer out because he was too powerful.

And Brainiac did show up in the YJ comics, so he may show up in the story.

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If he still existed he would have shown up when OL attacked his homeworld.

He's also not really that powerful compared to other entities that Zoat has already used.

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Against Lanterns he's literally an unstopable force unless heavily nerfed.

 

[Darko]

If he still existed he would have shown up when OL attacked his homeworld

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Why?

He doesn't exactly care about it, plus he'd still need time to get there.

Against Lanterns he's literally an unstopable force unless heavily nerfed

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Paul isn't exactly a standard Lantern, and you also need to stop making things up.

 

[Vaermina]

Why?

He doesn't exactly care about it, plus he'd still need time to get there.

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He does care about it though.

Him theoretically not careing here would be something Zoat created.

Paul isn't exactly a standard Lantern, and you also need to stop making things up.

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General reminder that Doomsday's resistance to energy based effects exceeds Omega Beam level.

Omega Beams trump Orange Lantern shenanigans.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Universe 191
13th May 1954
21:32 GMT

"…relations with our former ally."

I nod as Mister Kato sets out the Japanese government's position. "Yes, I imagine that being tied to the side that lost two great wars has rather undermined the position of the anglophilic faction in the Japanese government."

He hesitates for a moment, a slight twitch visible for an instant on his face. "That would not be an entirely inaccurate statement."

I shrug. "We know what happened. Neither I nor his majesty's government will be offended by you mentioning it. Sometimes you just have to man up and face reality, however unpleasant it is."

He gives me a very shy nod.

I lean back slightly in my chair. "I organised today's display because we want to sell the products of our labours. We would of course have much rather been met with victory in either war, but we are more than happy to sell to you as a consolation prize. I understand that your tanks are… Not as effective as might have been hoped."

"Japan is not rich in raw materials. When the British Empire was…"

He looks away, not sure how to continue.

I smile. "Broken up for parts. As I said, we know what happened."

He nods, looking a little relieved. "Trading with your holdings in India and China was most convenient. Both are now less forthcoming. India is in chaos and China is quite backwards."

I nod sympathetically. "Having an empire sounds good on paper, and then you realise how much effort it takes to get anything done. And how much it costs. India was the only colony that ever actually made us any money."

"I am part of the Anglophile faction, though if that were common knowledge in Japan I would not have been sent. The other leading faction is comprised of admirers of the German Empire." I nod. "Their efforts to unify the continent of Europe have been successful enough that the German faction would have us replicate what they have done. But China is not Eastern Europe, and the difficulties are greater."

"And they haven't taken that well."

He looks even more sombre than normal. "They have not."

I suppose that answers my question as to whether or not Japan was doing the things here that Japan did during the forties on my Earth.

"So, you need a good trade agreement. And you need to make sure that we aren't selling to anyone you might end up fighting."

"I did not see a representative of any of the Chinese factions today."

"I'm not saying that those requests present a difficulty, I am merely making sure that I know what it is that you want."

"Ideally, we would leave with examples of your work for our military planners to examine."

I frown. "You didn't bring a military representative with you?"

"Not.. one with influence amongst the most significant of our military leaders."

"Ah." I nod. "I imagine that we can arrange for that."

"We will of course refine the fuel ourselves, but there will be concerns about us relying on… Relying on a supply line that extends to the other side of the world. The German faction will want to licence production, and I doubt that is something that you will agree to."

"No." Hm. "No. It is not an unreasonable request, but it would be strongly contrary to our interests."

"I believe that they would be willing to allow the vehicles to be produced by a British company, so long as it occurred in Japan."

"That would rather be contrary to our isolationism."

"I do not think that you would be willing to train Japanese machinists in Britain."

I steeple my fingers and tap them against my lips. "No. On a related matter, what are the intentions of the Japanese government towards Australia and New Zealand?"

"His imperial majesty's government believes that they will come to be part of our sphere of influence."

That's putting it politely. Still…

"One of the few materials which Britain imports is fuel for our nuclear power plants. That comes from Australia. And most Australians are of British descent. I believe that it will be easier for us to licence an Australian company to produce our equipment, for them to sell to Japan."

"That will meet with disfavour with the German faction."

"Enough disfavour that they will refuse on principle?"

He thinks for a moment.

"They were very impressive tanks. You wish for our agreement with the Australians to include other matters as well."

"Oh, just the normal sort of things that two friendly nations might agree on. Mutual recognition of territory, shipping rights… If things go well, perhaps a mutual defence pact. Japan would be taking on a role that Britain is no longer able to fulfil."

"And Britain has its access to fuel guaranteed."

"Yes."

He nods slowly. "I will need to speak with my superiors, but it is not impossible that an agreement could be reached on that basis. And if our relationship with Australia improves, perhaps we could purchase that fuel as well?"

"There's no competition; they've got lots of the stuff." I nod. "It would probably be a good idea, given that Japan has issues accessing fuel."

"His imperial majesty's government is also interested in fission technology, both in bombs-" This time I twitch. "-and for electricity generation."

"I am afraid that us sharing fission bomb technology contains too great a risk for us. But we are willing to come to terms regarding-."

An aide opens the door behind him, nodding to me rather frantically.

"Regarding civilian power generation, both in Japan and in your…" What's the polite term? "Ally in mainland China. And I am terribly sorry, but I believe that the Kaiser is trying to get hold of me, and given the fact that his ambassador tried to murder me a few hours ago I need to answer right away."

Mister Kato stands and offers me a shallow bow, which I return.

"Of course. Thank you for your time. You are not injured, I hope?"

I shake my head as we walk towards the door.

"The panels spread the force of the impact well enough, but they don't absorb much of it. I'm getting a nasty bruise, and it's going to be sore in the morning."

"It is better than being shot."

"It certainly is. The winter version of the armour includes a gambeson, but in hot weather the soldiers tend to faint."

"I.. admit, that some of my colleagues believed that the attempt on your life was staged."

"I'm not that brave. Besides, the techniques we use in our armour are far easier to replicate than the ones we use in our tanks. I doubt that the market will be as profitable."

Though considering the lack of good roads in China and the attrition rates their soldiers have from irregular warfare… And the lack of logistical complexity in the infantry armour, demand may well be higher.

"Would it be possible for us to take examples of that armour back with us as well?"

I nod as we leave my office. "Certainly. Though if your military asks you to test it for them, I suggest that you respectfully decline."

 

[Ngamer11]

"I am part of the Anglophile faction, though it that were common knowledge in Japan I would not have been sent. The other leading faction is comprised of admirers of the German Empire." I nod. "Their efforts to unify the continent of Europe have been successful enough that the German faction would have us replicate what they have done. But China is not Eastern Europe, and the difficulties are greater."

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[Darko]

He does care about it though

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He left the place in the hands of beings that have the word tyrant in their names.

I'd say he pretty much stopped caring about it.

And do you honestly believe that he'd just show up if his systems failed?

If something he set up failed then whoever made it fail is most likely very dangerous, so going to immediately confront them is very, very stupid.

General reminder that Doomsday's resistance to energy based effects exceeds Omega Beam level.

Omega Beams trump Orange Lantern shenanigans

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I know you don't read anything anyone posts, but hopefully you'll read this.

I wasn't talking about Doomsday, I was talking about Brainiac.

And what you're talking about is comics Doomsday.

In this fic he'd be from the Young Justice continuity, so he'd be nerfed, and Zoat didn't exactly start the trend of nerfing YJ characters.

 

[Mr Zoat]

That should say 'if'.

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Thank you, corrected.