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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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After all these years, the madlad Zoat decides to use the Spectre after all. Wow. I guess his imprisonment is what was creating the thaumosphere.

Transferring the Spectre to another host is... not a great solution, but if there was a host who can keep it under control (or at least relatively weak) it would be a respectable one. Certanly better than letting it roam around free, or leaving it here and maybe the next person to find it is less wise. (And don't even suggest the Sword of the Fallen- the possibility that counts as "death" is too great.)

I don't know, does Grayven know any dead guys with great willpower? .... ...noooo...

...but.... Alan is used to manipulating green fire. And if anyone had both the willpower and the purity of heart to control the Spectre....

In other news, I think we can safely say this is not a suitable colony site. Yuga Khan has touched this place. Maybe give that planet with three suns another look. It didn't seem that bad!
 
Nervaqus987 said:
Bad idea.

If he has a good host who can ride herd on him, he can be useful but otherwise.....

Well, my favorite example of Spectre's decision making abilities comes from the time the Brujeria woke up the Great Darkness.
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And mine is the time he crushed a four year old boy under a sea of coins because he took some spare change from mommy's purse.

Folks, for those not that familiar with the Spectre, he is God's wrath. That's it.

The host is what is supposed to provide humanity, empathy, and judgement.
 
i may be a little paranoid or over-thinking this, but i can't help thinking that Hinon sent them here. for a Controller, she was uncharacteristically lazy with her knowledge of this planet, or at least what she doled out to Gravy. Controllers gonna control, and manipulate. was this a test for Gravy, instigated by Hinon, who knew (more or less) what was here?

also, given that Maltusians are so ancient and near-omnipotent, did they ever have interactions with Yuga Khan, neutral or otherwise? seems like whatever may have happened, the Controllers came out on top, even if it only means they didn't throw themselves at the Source Wall.

my knowledge of all this deep lore is basically zero.
 
BartlettMagic said:
i may be a little paranoid or over-thinking this, but i can't help thinking that Hinon sent them here. for a Controller, she was uncharacteristically lazy with her knowledge of this planet, or at least what she doled out to Gravy. Controllers gonna control, and manipulate. was this a test for Gravy, instigated by Hinon, who knew (more or less) what was here?

also, given that Maltusians are so ancient and near-omnipotent, did they ever have interactions with Yuga Khan, neutral or otherwise? seems like whatever may have happened, the Controllers came out on top, even if it only means they didn't throw themselves at the Source Wall.

my knowledge of all this deep lore is basically zero.
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When Hinon woke up from her coma she did mention Yuga Khan.
 
mastermenthe said:
The whole thing with Darkseid Is, since the guy himself is naturally a fop, is from him Mantleing Yuga Kahn's portfolio and responsibilities as the new Divine Figurehead. (of evil? darkness?)
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I think it's more that Darkseid wishes that were true, but it's not. He doesn't have Yuga Kahn's juice, no matter how much he'd like to convince everyone else he does.
 
You know, every discussion of the Spectre starts out with the Spectre experts saying that of course his power level can vary between "slightly powerful ghost" and "God".

But then if a fanfic ever dared use him in "sightly powerful ghost" mode, I get the feeling there would be endless complaints/questions over and over about it.
 
PDV said:
I don't buy it. Sure, there has to be an evil of his tier, but it doesn't need to be him. It could be Yuga Khan; it was, once. It could be someone else, next. Someone with less grudge against Renegrayven.
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From what I recall from reading about that story, yes, that was the point- By killing Darkseid the Spectre would be the next Darkseid. "The king is dead, long live the king."

That wasn't the Presence saving Darksied, that was the Presence saying "Oh hell no, he's my Spectre, I ain't sharing."
 
Vaermina said:
So yes, this guy absolutely has the ability to tell that Grayven's just Grayven who was made to believe he is Renegade.
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The Spectre is currently in a sack of skin with some bones in it and he has lost a lot of power.

He also lied to Iname about Renegade killing her parents.

He is not a reliable source of information.

His whole thing is punishing people for things he perceives as being wrong, and it's very common for his punishments to be significantly brutal and disproportionate; like the kid and the pennies that was previously mentioned.

Telling Renegade that he's not Renegade is just a punishment, and most likely one based on lies.
 
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So yes, this guy absolutely has the ability to tell that Grayven's just Grayven who was made to believe he is Renegade.
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Could this question not be answered, the debate settled, by determining if Grayven can say his own name. If He can say "Paul 'Candle'" than he's Grayven who's been made to believe XYZ, but if he can't then we can say he's the Renegade who's metaphysical soul consumed the real Grayven upon his physical death.
 
Steelplaza said:
...but.... Alan is used to manipulating green fire. And if anyone had both the willpower and the purity of heart to control the Spectre....
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I will genuinely be unhappy if Alan ends up being brought back for Renegade.

Alan's death is one of the things that Grsyvencfailed on in a way that Paragon didn't. Reversing that is bad in my opinion
 
The whole "Darkseid vs Spectre" thin is why we have the current run of DC comics ...Darkseid TOOK the Spectre's power and made his own darker twist on the universe, hence the 'roided out 'Absolute' Batman with an axe and the rest of the trinity with a pile of emotional baggage running around the multiverse.
 
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