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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Zoat is Paul going to talk to his common sense version in the next few chapters?

What sort of things has he been involved in helping the development of his version of Earth 16?
 
I know you said that Kalmin is super territorial about his machines, but he probably has a really excellent grasp of the actual mechanics of ring construction that could still make him super helpful for a mortal trying to learn how to do it even without access to machines.
It's unclear how many of the Pauls died here - it might have been zero, but it's definitely possible there are some surplus power rings around.
Very neat thing, though feel it's a bit of a shame that Krona didn't throw out more exotic attacks rather then mostly just use exotic physics based defenses and such.
Look forward for more exotic light manipulation stuff.
 
Jirachi said:
I know you said that Kalmin is super territorial about his machines, but he probably has a really excellent grasp of the actual mechanics of ring construction that could still make him super helpful for a mortal trying to learn how to do it even without access to machines.
It's unclear how many of the Pauls died here - it might have been zero, but it's definitely possible there are some surplus power rings around.
Very neat thing, though feel it's a bit of a shame that Krona didn't throw out more exotic attacks rather then mostly just use exotic physics based defenses and such.
Look forward for more exotic light manipulation stuff.
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Making a copy of his orange ring shouldn't be that difficult. The first time it was mentioned in the fic the paragon believed it would take over a month of continuous work to make a copy of the orange ring... Now he is orders of magnitude stronger, his soul is mostly raw avarice (hence why he is an elemental snake in the heaven episode) and he is enlightened, it should take significant less amount of work to copy it.


Making a new ring from nothing is extremely difficult, copying a ring is very difficult, turning a construct lantern into a ring is slightly easier.

If Paul wants he can totally join the controllers and start to print rings because I think the controllers are being efficient with their time, thus they are likely copying a template not making a new one out of nothing.
 
Duplication (part 22)
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    • Early spring, 2280
    Late morning

    **PeoplePlaceConversationsThoughtsActionsEvents.**

    I lay the zetan thought storage unit back down on my desk. My agents on the East Coast have done a heroic job, especially under the circumstances. But… Things have come to a point I was hoping to avoid, at least for a little while.

    Thirty seven years since the destruction of the Poseidon oil rig. Thirty five or so since the NCR/Brotherhood alliance overran the main Enclave base at Navarro, killing everyone they could, military or civilian. Three years since the 'death' of President Eden, leaving President Franklin Anderson in charge of the only significant cohesive group of Enclave-loyalists on the continent.

    I do so hate pointless killing.

    I **erase** the storage device and slide it back into its compartment in my desk. I'm going to have to accelerate things. Which is going to be awkward, but if I want to continue not being that sort of telepath, nudging people into doing the right thing is the most I can do. And it does have certain limits as a method.

    I get up and walk out of the former base commander's office, heading towards where I can feel the mind of one of Groom Lake's refugees-turned-citizens. 'Chuck Holtz' and his small band of companions arrived out of the desert from the direction of Desert Ranger territory three years ago, though for perfectly understandable reasons they avoided the base itself until after I removed the Whisperers from power. Though none of them have been willing to take advantage of the neurotropic initiator, they're all far more technically competent than most of the region's other inhabitants and they're all perfectly willing to pitch in. Good people, all of them.

    I knock on the open door to his office for a moment before I stick my head inside, causing him to look up from his work orders with a smile.

    "Krono. Intercom busted again?"

    I bow my head with a smile. If I'm honest, I don't understand micro vacuum tube based technology much better than the tribals do. The system which the zetans use operates rather differently, but I've hesitated to completely rework Groom Lane so most of the systems -though upgraded- are essentially still made of pre-war technology.

    "No. Alright, I didn't check. Have you got a moment? I need a quick word."

    He makes a shrugging movement with his hands. "Sure thing, chief. What do you need?"

    I step inside, firmly shut the door behind me and telekinetically grip the air around the walls of the office, causing what little external sound reaches us here to drop away. His smile fades a little and he straightens up.

    "Serious talk, then."

    "Yes, Captain Douglas Granite, I'm rather afraid that it is."

    His expression grows a little distant as I use his real name, then he nods slowly.

    "Yeah, I guess it was a bit much to think we could keep a secret from a bunch of mind readers."

    "I try not to read too deeply, but I needed to make sure that the squad of unusually well educated men and women weren't Brotherhood Knights here to sabotage us. Most of what I know about you actually comes from my personal interactions with you. And.. reports from the people I've had keeping tabs on Doctor Anderson."

    He looks.. torn for a moment, then-.

    I raise my right hand.

    "Conquering Vault City was a severe misstep. There aren't enough caps in the wasteland to make the New California Republic miss two major trading partners being overrun by people with stars-on-blue emblems on their power armour."

    He nods sadly. "I scrubbed it off mine before I ditched it."

    "We can pick it up, if you like."

    He shakes his head. "It won't be good for anything now. Sand will have wrecked it." He looks at me for a moment. "I guess your… Friends in the NCR clued you in?"

    "No, but it.. hardly matters. Given.. Doctor Anderson, I'm not exactly going to be sad to see him defeated."

    He sighs, and nods. "He said on the campaign trail that the only thing Richardson did wrong was lose."

    "Quite. But I'm.. disquieted at the idea of the NCR carrying out another extermination campaign, which is almost certainly what will happen when they finally win. And… Then there's the East Coast. Tell me, does the name 'Augustus Autumn' mean anything to you?"

    He hesitates, then appears to concede to himself that there's very little point in trying to hide anything from me.

    "Yeah. He was a.. senior researcher at one of the Enclave's science facilities. I don't know exactly what he did there. I just.. remember him because after the fall of Navarro he rallied a whole lot of Enclave personnel and headed for the east coast. Don't think I ever heard why. I guess he wanted to try and set up camp somewhere away from anyone who already had a grudge. Do you know what happened to him?"

    "Oh, he died of a stroke over a decade ago. His son Colonel Augustus Autumn Junior leads the Enclave survivors in the area now. He's.. more your sort. Unfortunately, he got into a fight with the local Brotherhood chapter over a novel water purification technology, and… They had Liberty Prime."

    "They-." His eyes light up. "Hot damn! I didn't think that thing every really got built! I had a toy-." He cuts himself off and takes a moment to calm himself. "Sorry."

    "Apparently, the Brotherhood weren't feeling particularly vengeful. Autumn and his surviving soldiers were allowed to evacuate the region, but with the destruction of their headquarters they're…" How to put this? "Feeling lost. And while the east coast doesn't have quite the same level of hatred for the Enclave that the west coast does, they didn't exactly make themselves popular."

    "You got a plan to help them?"

    I nod. "And it depends on you. I can get the materials required for them to set up a settlement well away from any of the many people out for their-. Your blood. But I need someone dependable to ride herd on them. The FEV Plague wouldn't have hurt me, but I'm rather attached to a lot of people it would have killed."

    "And the NCR's okay with you doing that."

    "The NCR… Are aware that upon occasion people come to me… Who have fought them in the past and no longer wish to do so, but who will not surrender to them. They accept that, as long as no one does anything too blatant."

    He thinks for a moment. "So, what? We just settle down and fade out of history? I mean, that's what I was planning on doing, but I wasn't going to do that until all the other choices got snatched away."

    "Captain-."

    He shakes his head. "Douglas is fine."

    "Douglas. Do you believe in the ideal of America, or the reality of America?"

    "What do you mean by that?"

    "Is it enough to establish a thing you can call 'America', regardless of its characteristics, or do you actually want to restore America as it should be?"

    "You wouldn't be talking to me if it was the first one."

    "Oh, I might." I look away for a moment. "It would be a rather different conversation… The point is, I think that between the west coast and the east coast we've established that the quick and violent method isn't going to work for the Enclave. But, there's nothing to stop you re-establishing the United States of America in the way it was originally established. Build up and spread out. Teach your people idealism and have them share it. Greet your neighbours with an open hand and not a gun barrel. It will take generations, but the difference is that it might actually work."

    "The NCR?"

    "The legitimate successor to the State of California, a state in the United States. Anderson might call himself 'President', but he wasn't elected by the pre-war electoral college."

    "That would have been a little difficult to run."

    "Then to become the legitimate president, one would need to fix that first."

    He nods slowly. "What sort of supplies have you got for us?"

    "Enough to see you through the first year. I also managed to acquire a Gardens of Eden Creation Kit-."

    "Where the hell did you get that from?"

    "From Tlaloc, as part payment for maintenance that was two hundred years overdue. Do you-?"

    The ring on my necklace lights up in brilliant orange.

    Oh, heck. Broadcast!

    **This is Krono. Highest defensive condition. Bring the Dream Twister online at once.**

    Douglas winces at the force of my mental intrusion. "What-? That some kinda alien-?"

    "It was foolish to think that humans were alone in the universe. It was even more foolish to assume that the zetans were the only others. I think that the people who abducted me are coming back."
     
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    Someone opened a portal to him using the orange light?

    So Krona vs Kronos or the Paul Corps are exploring the multi-verse?
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    Well in the first April Fools episode some of those versions, like the Avatar one, Captain Planet one, and Panda one, did seem to be exploring the multiverse, except the MLP one whose version of Equestria was located in DC, so maybe this is something like this, though I'm pretty sure it's going to be involved with Krona somehow.
     
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    Probably not seeing as Paul said they sent him to a universe where his powers or rings won't work, but this version was able to use his ring, so either it is something else, or the various Paul's screwed up.
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    Well, strictly speaking the entities and light sources might not be there and the only way to get more charge to rings is to cross dimensions. That seems a bit flimsy though and I wouldn't bet the multiverse on Krona not being able to cross dimensions with Fallout tech.
     
    Mr Zoat said:
    The ring on my necklace lights up in brilliant orange.

    Oh, heck. Broadcast!

    **This is Krono. Highest defensive condition. Bring the Dream Twister online at once.**

    Douglas winces at the force of my mental intrusion. "What-? That some kinda alien-?"

    "It was foolish to think that humans were alone in the universe. It was even more foolish to assume that the zetans were the only others. I think that the people who abducted me are coming back."
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    If that's Krona it looks like the other Paul's miscalculated.
     
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    Early spring, 2280
    Late morning

    **PeoplePlaceConversationsThoughtsActionsEvents.**

    I lay the zetan thought storage unit back down on my desk. My agents on the East Coast have done a heroic job, especially under the circumstances. But… Things have come to a point I was hoping to avoid, at least for a little while.
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    Good to see his field of operations has improved. The equivalent of a late-game turn, I suppose.

    Thirty seven years since the destruction of the Poseidon oil rig. Thirty five or so since the NCR/Brotherhood alliance overran the main Enclave base at Navarro, killing everyone they could, military or civilian. Three years since the 'death' of President Eden, leaving President Franklin Anderson in charge of the only significant cohesive group of Enclave-loyalists on the continent.

    I do so hate pointless killing.
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    When it wastes good people and useful resources, you always should. Unfortunately, many people aren't so sharp.

    I **erase** the storage device and slide it back into its compartment in my desk. I'm going to have to accelerate things. Which is going to be awkward, but if I want to continue not being that sort of telepath, nudging people into doing the right thing is the most I can do. And it does have certain limits as a method.
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    It's always tempting, isn't it? To skip the diplomatic path and just make people do what you think they should?

    I get up and walk out of the former base commander's office, heading towards where I can feel the mind of one of Groom Lake's refugees-turned-citizens. 'Chuck Holtz' and his small band of companions arrived out of the desert from the direction of Desert Ranger territory three years ago, though for perfectly understandable reasons they avoided the base itself until after I removed the Whisperers from power. Though none of them have been willing to take advantage of the neurotropic initiator, they're all far more technically competent than most of the region's other inhabitants and they're all perfectly willing to pitch in. Good people, all of them.
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    Ah. This is going to involve someone's real name, isn't it? It never feels good to have to expose someone's secrets and regrets.

    I knock on the open door to his office for a moment before I stick my head inside, causing him to look up from his work orders with a smile.

    "Krono. Intercom busted again?"
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    I doubt he cares to use it. Krono!Paul strikes me as the sort of person who prefers face-to-face conversations. If only to avoid confusion.

    I bow my head with a smile. If I'm honest, I don't understand micro vacuum tube based technology much better than the tribals do. The system which the zetans use operates rather differently, but I've hesitated to completely rework Groom Lane so most of the systems -though up upgraded- are essentially still made of pre-war technology.

    "No. Alright, I didn't check. Have you got a moment? I need a quick word."
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    A discreet word, if you will. And not something you'd want to risk anyone overhearing due to a glitchy intercom?

    He makes a shrugging movement with his hands. "Sure thing, chief. What do you need?"

    I step inside, firmly shut the door behind me and telekinetically grip the air around the walls of the office, causing what little external sound reaches us here to drop away. His smile fades a little and he straightens up.
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    Now that's a cone of silence. And visible enough that he can see it? That's a strong effect.

    "Serious talk, then."

    "Yes, Captain Douglas Granite, I'm rather afraid that it is."
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    Dun-dun-Duuuun! Uh, who? Not a Fallout player... I'm guessing an original character, regardless.

    His expression grows a little distant as I use his real name, then he nods slowly.

    "Yeah, I guess it was a bit much to think we could keep a secret from a bunch of mind readers."
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    Gee, you think?:rolleyes: Even if they have a code of ethics, sometimes you can just think too 'loud' about something...

    "I try not to read too deeply, but I needed to make sure that the squad of unusually well educated men and women weren't Brotherhood Knights here to sabotage us. Most of what I know about you actually comes from my personal interactions with you. And.. reports from the people I've had keeping tabs on Doctor Anderson."

    He looks.. torn for a moment, then-.
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    Ah, part of a unit with a reputation. And he's worried that Krono is going to judge him on that reputation first? I thought he knew Krono.

    I raise my right hand.

    "Conquering Vault City was a severe misstep. There aren't enough caps in the wasteland to make the New California Republic miss two major trading partner being overrun by people with stars-on-blue emblems on their power armour."
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    Now, how violent was that action? Was it the sort of 'I've seen things' violent? Enough to make someone, and his loyal squadmates, decide to desert?

    He nods sadly. "I scrubbed it off mine before I ditched it."

    "We can pick it up, if you like."
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    Ah. That kind of violent, indeed.

    He shakes his head. "It won't be good for anything now. Sand will have wrecked it." He looks at me for a moment. "I guess your… Friends in the NCR clued you in?"

    "No, but it.. hardly matters. Given.. Doctor Anderson, I'm not exactly going to be sad to see him defeated."
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    Inferring from references, this Anderson guy is practically the second coming of Hitler? Or at least the last person you want in charge of a major polity.

    He sighs, and nods. "He said on the campaign trail that the only thing Richardson did wrong was lose."

    "Quite. But I'm.. disquieted at the idea of the NCR carrying out another extermination campaign, which is almost certainly what will happen when they finally win. And… Then there's the East Coast. Tell me, does the name 'Augustus Autumn' mean anything to you?"
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    Depending on where he was deployed, I assume it does?

    He hesitates, then appears to concede to himself that there's very little point in trying to hide anything from me.

    "Yeah. He was a.. senior researcher at one of the Enclave's science facilities. I don't know exactly what he did there. I just.. remember him because after the fall of Navarro he rallied a whole lot of Enclave personnel and headed for the east coast. Don't think I ever heard why. I guess he wanted to try and set up camp somewhere away from anyone who already had a grudge. Do you know what happened to him?"
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    So, a nice guy, or just someone wanting privacy for Science!?

    "Oh, he died of a stroke over a decade ago. His son Colonel Augustus Autumn Junior leads the Enclave survivors in the area now. He's.. more your sort. Unfortunately, he got into a fight with the local Brotherhood chapter over a novel water purification technology, and… They had Liberty Prime."

    "They-." His eyes light up. "Hot damn! I didn't think that thing every really got built! I had a toy-." He cuts himself off and takes a moment to calm himself. "Sorry."
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    I know enough Fallout to recognise that. Part of Fallout 3's DLC, yes? And Liberty Prime is... 'Curbstomp' is a charitable result of it being deployed...

    "Apparently, the Brotherhood weren't feeling particularly vengeful. Autumn and his surviving soldiers were allowed to evacuate the region, but with the destruction of their headquarters they're…" How to put this? "Feeling lost. And while the east coast doesn't have quite the same level of hatred for the Enclave that the west coast does, they didn't exactly make themselves popular."

    "You got a plan to help them?"
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    I'm guessing send 'Chuck' here east with a care package of tech.

    I nod. "And it depends on you. I can get the materials required for them to set up a settlement well away from any of the many people out for their-. Your blood. But I need someone dependable to ride herd on them. The FEV Plague wouldn't have hurt me, but I'm rather attached to a lot of people it would have killed."

    "And the NCR's okay with you doing that."
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    "What the NCR doesn't know won't hurt them. Unless it needs to."

    "The NCR… Are aware that upon occasion people come to me… Who have fought them in the past and no longer wish to do so, but who will not surrender to them. They accept that, as long as no one does anything too blatant."

    He thinks for a moment. "So, what? We just settle down and fade out of history? I mean, that's what I was planning on doing, but I wasn't going to do that until all the other choices got snatched away."
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    A quite retirement probably sounds nice, but this world... It isn't that pleasant...

    "Captain-."

    He shakes his head. "Douglas is fine."

    "Douglas. Do you believe in the ideal of America, or the reality of America?"
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    Interesting question. It puts me in mind of OL's "What do you want?" Is Krono planning on setting him up to forge a more civilised East Coast?

    "What do you mean by that?"

    "Is it enough to establish a thing you can call 'America', regardless of its characteristics, or do you actually want to restore America as it should be?"

    "You wouldn't be talking to me if it was the first one."
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    Direct, isn't he? Man's got a sense of politics.

    "Oh, I might." I look away for a moment. "It would be a rather different conversation… The point is, I think that between the west coast and the east coast we've established that the quick and violent method isn't going to work for the Enclave. But, there's nothing to stop you re-establishing the United States of America in the way it was originally established. Build up and spread out. Teach your people idealism and have them share it. Greet your neighbours with an open hand and not a gun barrel. It will take generations, but the difference is that it might actually work."
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    I think it might go better if you greet with an open hand, and a gun in close reach. It's a nice dream, though.

    "The NCR?"

    "The legitimate successor to the State of California, a state in the United States. Anderson might call himself 'President', but he wasn't elected by the pre-war electoral college."
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    Silly idea, anyway. I suspect this Anderson fellow might not give up what power he's claimed, even if the people asked him to.

    "That would have been a little difficult to run."

    "Then to become the legitimate president, one would need to fix that first."
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    In other words, Krono is encouraging Dougie here to establish peace and freedom, the polite way.

    He nods slowly. "What sort of supplies have you got for us?"

    "Enough to see you through the first year. I also managed to acquire a Gardens of Eden Creation Kit-."
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    I take it that's something very useful. The equivalent of a small-scale terraforming system?

    "Where the hell did you get that from?"

    "From Tlaloc, as part payment for maintenance that was two hundred years overdue. Do you-?"
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    I take it that's impressive?

    The ring on my necklace lights up in brilliant orange.

    Oh, heck. Broadcast!

    **This is Krono. Highest defensive condition. Bring the Dream Twister online at once.**
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    Oh, dear. That's... not good? I'm guessing a portal from Time Trapper got a little diverted?

    Douglas winces at the force of my mental intrusion. "What-? That some kinda alien-?"

    "It was foolish to think that humans were alone in the universe. It was even more foolish to assume that the zetans were the only others. I think that the people who abducted me are coming back."
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    Ooh. I doubt he can cadge some charge off the other Pauls, unless one of them has a Lantern... Still, I expect this is going to be interesting...

    I'll admit, a lot of this chapter went over my head, not being a Fallout fan. Whatever happens, This should be significant, in relation to what Mr Zoat's said about it previously. Either Krona's inbound at the speed of White, or someone misdialled a portal...
     
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    Hey Zoat is paragon going to talk to his common sense counterpart in the next few chapters?

    What sort of things has common sense been doing to improve his version of Earth 16, aside from getting governments more interested in what the wider universe holds after talking to that politician about Apokalips and Byalia and why the US doesn't have records on alien species and cultures despite the fact Atlantis does?
     
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    Hey Zoat is paragon going to talk to his common sense counterpart in the next few chapters?
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    The SI..? Talk to common sense?
    What sort of things has common sense been doing to improve his version of Earth 16, aside from getting governments more interested in what the wider universe holds after talking to that politician about Apokalips and Byalia and why the US doesn't have records on alien species and cultures despite the fact Atlantis does?
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    I haven't thought about it in much detail.
     
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    Interesting. The Old World Blues, digging around Area 51 can cause a New Plague outbreak... Which each nation can cure within a few months, something that was impossible before the war. Which struck me as odd when I got the event, because medical technology, communication and transportation should all be worse post-war than pre-war. Maybe the lack of people means that diseases don't spread that efficiently?
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    You might be thinking of something else, because there wasn't really much about the New Plague in the game outside of cut Van Buren stuff.
     
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    If you're asking a question and not just joking then it's the one that made those common sense decisions, like telling Wonder Woman his age, training with Jordan, removing the poison from Jades lips, prevented that training fiasco with the telepathy from happening etc.

    It would be nice for the SI to learn how he's doing and how he solved some of the issues paragon may have faced, like how Sybarite is going about improving his version of Earth 16, like say did common sense mine asteroids like paragon did and then use them to buy LexCorp or some of Savages companies, or just somehow get Scandal to work for him, because I don't think she really cared all that much about her father and she kinda ran his companies from the shadow, so getting her to work for him could be a way to remove some of Savages resources well as get some advanced tech on the market, like the Cosmic Convertor that Savage was preventing from going on the market out of spite, or altering Luthors thought process like he did with Mammon to remove some of his more self destructive and illogical tendencies, like thinking the Light, and the actions they are performing, are somehow a good idea and not the half baked schemes and 'plans' of the universes most lucky idiot i.e. Vandal Savage.

    Seriously when they showed what the Light and Savages plans were in season 3 I couldn't honestly think for a few moments before I just classified them as Retard Masters Supreme of Dumbfuckery, I mean just, wow, wow...

    Funnily there is a fanfic on SB called Psychonautics where the SI calls Savage 'that old man too stupid to die'.

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    Don't know how to make a link, but just search fro the first April Fools episode and click on 'Blight up your life' for the Captain Planet one.
     
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    What??? Is this some British joke I'm too uncivilised to understand?

    Anyways, the Exaltations episode hasn't been threadmarked on the archive thread.

    Edit: the second snippet has been threadmarked instead of the first.
     
    Not sure why Autumn would go to Granite, honestly. Since this isn't regular Fallout but the Fallout of the OWB mod, I'd figure Autumn and all those vertibirds full of Enclave personnel that evacuated Adams Air Force base would have made a beeline for the Chicago Enclave. Which is supposed to be the dominant power in the American Midwest.

    And while he was willing to use clean water as a carrot to entice regular wastelanders into joining the Enclave, Autumn was still genocidal when it came to super mutants and ghouls.

    Though, to be fair, even the "nice" President in Enclave Reborn can totally reject mutants while accepting wastelanders. Or just treat wastelanders like second class citizens.
     
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