With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Aeess]

Funny, but I don't expect any protests. How many people actually know that the roman gods continue to exist? And how many really care?

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Many millions of Atlanteans, especially since he now has revealed himself okay with teaching mortals how to make mithril and orichalcum.

 

[Mquz]

Nah, even Snowflame has standards.

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I mean... there are still Nazis and he hasn't seemed to have aged a day here. Wonder if NeoNazis also empower him?

 

[Rafin]

I can't comment on Pact, but... I mean, yes, it was the best of a bad bunch of post-Weatherlight books, but 'Novels and Storylines' on the WotC board got renamed 'Storylines' and the whole forum got banned from talking about them for a reason.

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Huh? What's this about?

 

[RichardWhereat]

Huh? What's this about?

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Pact is a magic story by Wildbow. Also grimdark focusing on teenage loner girl. At this point we just have to wonder if he hated teenage loner girls.

 

[Mr Zoat]

'make the'

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Thank you, corrected.

Someone should point out to Vaermina that he can point it out to Zoat if he really wants to. That option is available to him.

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Vaermina actually can't point it out to me. After an incident a while ago where Vaermina refused to accept my Word of Zoat on the fictional settting over which I have complete control, I added Vaermina to my ignore list.

did paul and starfire ever do it?

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Did the main SI and Koriand'r ever have sex? No.

What is so wrong with Vulkan's face that he wants to change it?

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Hepheastus got thrown off Olympus, which crippled him. He was average looking, while Vulcan got dumped for being born ugly but doesn't have to deal with a gammy leg.

Also, does he have to move to another planet if he becomes a chief god? Doesn't worshiping him from a distance work?

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The Thanagarians would probably want him to show up to work.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Huh? What's this about?

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I used to play a game called Magic: the Gathering, produced by a company called Wizards of the Coast. I also used to frequent their forum. One of the boards on the forum was called 'Novels and Storylines', where people discussed the fictional works associated with the game. At the time, each of the three card sets released every year had a novel associated with them. The first few I read were... Okay. Some interesting ideas, no real depth. Some people liked them, some didn't.

Then the Onslaught block happened. Three books of pure crap, and the forum united in its opinion on the subject. And the Mods had an episode, and I think this is where my distaste for moderators started. Initially, the forum was shut completely. Then they put it back with 'Novels' shorn from the name and a firm instruction to everyone not to discuss the novels. Which provoked the response: 'How do we discuss the storyline without discussing the novels?'

It was a classic case of 'once people start talking in ways we don't want them to, shut it down and pretend it was always against the rules'.

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[Darko]

I mean... there are still Nazis and he hasn't seemed to have aged a day here. Wonder if NeoNazis also empower him?

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That German guy told the Team that those like Cap. Nazi don't age and can only die by being killed.

"They don't age. If no one kills them they can just keep going."

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[BlueMangoAdea]

Pact is a magic story by Wildbow. Also grimdark focusing on teenage loner girl. At this point we just have to wonder if he hated teenage loner girls.

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Pretty sure Blake Thorburn(protagonist of Pact) was male. Since Twig's protagonist is also male, I think his hatred doesn't discriminate.

 

[RichardWhereat]

Pretty sure Blake Thorburn(protagonist of Pact) was male. Since Twig's protagonist is also male, I think his hatred doesn't discriminate.

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Then I might be mixiny his stories up which wouldn't surprise me since I've only read a couple chapters of worm.

 

[Grek]

The WB protagonists are respectively:
-A 15 year old bullied girl.
-A 20 year old male handyman.
-A 12 year old male lab experiment.
-A 21 year old female superhero.
-A 28 year old nerd and his goblin fuckbuddy.
-A trio of 13 year old girls.

So yeah, everyone gets to suffer!

 

[Idkusername]

The WB protagonists are respectively:
-A 15 year old bullied girl.

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Worm, obviously.

-A 20 year old male handyman.

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Blake Thorburn, from Pact. Might've gotten his name wrong.

-A 12 year old male lab experiment.

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Twig. Haven't read it, unfortunately.

-A 21 year old female superhero.

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Ward's protag, not that I read past the first arc.

-A 28 year old nerd and his goblin fuckbuddy.

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Which story was this?

-A trio of 13 year old girls.

So yeah, everyone gets to suffer!

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And this? Wait, these last ones might be Twig's shared POV characters.

 

[Impartial Panic]

-A 28 year old nerd and his goblin fuckbuddy.

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BUH? ok another Protag to pale?

-A trio of 13 year old girls.

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Now this I'm pretty sure this is Pale.

 

[Grek]

BUH? ok another Protag to pale?

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Poke, his Pact-verse mini storylet. It's uh. Unique.

 

[Rafin]

Mr Zoat Sorry. Due to work I don't really have the time to read through the whole comment section. In fact I have more questions that you might already have answered. In SV I'd use the "Who Replied" feature to at least read all of your comments.
Anyway, the questions:

How did Yellow!Paul travel to Earth Bet?
Why did Yellow!Paul travel to Earth Bet?
Why does Yellow!Paul care about and stick around in Brockton Bay?
Does Yellow!Paul have any knowledge of canon Worm? If not, why not? I thought all Pauls just lost knowledge of their own setting of first arrival.
How come you decided to have the Wormverse essentially "wait" for the SI's arrival instead of it being as far into the story as the various other Paul-hosting verses?
Has your first name (Paul) at all started feeling weird with people using it in plural and treating it almost like a title at times?

 

[Rafin]

-A 28 year old nerd and his goblin fuckbuddy.

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Hey now. That's definitely (also) his girlfriend, not (just) his fuckbuddy. Nor do I really remember him suffering (more than he chose to).

 

[Darko]

Mr Zoat Sorry. Due to work I don't really have the time to read through the whole comment section. In fact I have more questions that you might already have answered. In SV I'd use the "Who Replied" feature to at least read all of your comments.
Anyway, the questions:

How did Yellow!Paul travel to Earth Bet?
Why did Yellow!Paul travel to Earth Bet?
Why does Yellow!Paul care about and stick around in Brockton Bay?
Does Yellow!Paul have any knowledge of canon Worm? If not, why not? I thought all Pauls just lost knowledge of their own setting of first arrival.
How come you decided to have the Wormverse essentially "wait" for the SI's arrival instead of it being as far into the story as the various other Paul-hosting verses?
Has your first name (Paul) at all started feeling weird with people using it in plural and treating it almost like a title at times?

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He apparently found some Tinker Tech on Third Earth and most likely went there to see what was going on, either using magic or tech to get there.

He probably considers the shirty situation Earth Bet is in to be something he can't stand, so that's probably why he's sticking around.

This Paul has never read Worm so he never had any knowledge to lose.

 

[Rafin]

He probably considers the shirty situation Earth Bet is in to be something he can't stand, so that's probably why he's sticking around.

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Really just that? It seems weird to me that he'd abandon his Dominion (or whatever the title is) in order to do a city by city clean-up of some foreign world, starting, inexplicably, with Brockton Bay, which definitely isn't the worst hellhole of that planet.

 

[Darko]

Really just that? It seems weird to me that he'd abandon his Dominion (or whatever the title is) in order to do a city by city clean-up of some foreign world, starting, inexplicably, with Brockton Bay, which definitely isn't the worst hellhole of that planet.

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Here's what Zoat had to say about him:

Sooo...

The Lord Protector.

At the point in time where he ended up on Earth Bet, Mumm-Ra is double-dead and Thundera is stable and reasonably prosperous. They have two big population centers and dozens of smaller ones, a food surplus and are industrialising. Their government is in theory a parliamentary republic, but the travel distances and poor infrastructure means that parliament doesn't meet all that often and Prime Minister Khoah runs things. The Lord Protector has a mostly symbolic role. Emergency law is a thing of the past, though they kept some farms for convict labour.

Shortly before those segments Mumm-Rana (who the Lord Protector likes to keep occupied because otherwise she throws dog biscuits at the locals) located a cache of non-native technology. A tracing spell led them to Earth Bet, as it looks like someone with planeshifting technology was using Thundera as a bolthole. They don't know who.

The Lord Protector's current stance on supervillains appearing at Endbringer fights is that it's like paying danegeld: probably better than not paying, but being strong enough not to need to pay is better still. Everything he knows about running a state (which at this point is quite a lot) says that a unified and stable state is better able to fight than a mess of gangs. He may well be wrong for Earth Bet, but his conclusion is not an irrational one.

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He probably started with Brockton because that's where he entered that universe.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Really just that? It seems weird to me that he'd abandon his Dominion (or whatever the title is) in order to do a city by city clean-up of some foreign world, starting, inexplicably, with Brockton Bay, which definitely isn't the worst hellhole of that planet.

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By this point the situation on in Thundera has stabilised to the point where he isn't needed anything like as much. Earth Bet looks like a good place to trade with.

 

[PDV]

"They really need the Nth metal. But… They're materialists. They aren't used to worship, and they generally treat other species as inferior."

"Does that extend to gods?"

"I don't know. I doubt that they've been in this position before." I shrug. "I'll miss you if you go, but this is a good opportunity for you."

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I doubt this will work out well. Many/most Thanagarians would probably agree with Worf:

 

[Darko]

I doubt this will work out well. Many/most Thanagarians would probably agree with Worf:

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Vulcan and Hephaestus are much more reasonable than the rest of their families, the Seven Devils, or whatever gods the Klingons had, so them getting killed is unlikely.

 

[Vaermina]

Really just that? It seems weird to me that he'd abandon his Dominion (or whatever the title is) in order to do a city by city clean-up of some foreign world, starting, inexplicably, with Brockton Bay, which definitely isn't the worst hellhole of that planet.

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You gotta remember, Paul is really bad at being an actual leader.

By this point the situation on in Thundera has stabilised to the point where he isn't needed anything like as much. Earth Bet looks like a good place to trade with.

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Case in point.

Leaders are always needed, if only to read over and sign the endless amounts of paperwork that cross their desk.

 

[Darko]

It isn't unsurprising that this story would leave out the whole "Olympians are all wizards who like Zatanna can do whatever the fuck they want" aspect from the comics considering all the New God buffing in this story.

Rather hard to take New Gods seriously when the Olympians are infinitely more versatile.

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In fairness the New Gods in the comics have been portrayed as being powerful enough that the ones we see are just avatars of some multidimensional entity, or sometimes they've been shown as being weak enough that an ordinary human can beat them.

Darkseid was once beaten by a couple of thugs.

We've also not seen as much of the Old Gods in this story compared to what we've seen of the New God's, so it may be difficult to accurately judge how they compare to each other.

I'm fairly sure that Old Gods are at least as powerful as New Gods in this story, though they may find it difficult to bring their full power to bear in the material universe seeing as they're more energy beings that can take on a human form, but due to their incompatability with the material universe they can't manifest their full power, while New Gods are more like superpowerful demigods, that being physical beings with highly powerful magic and souls, so find it easier to bring their full to bear.

Old Gods probably are more versatile than New Gods, but that doesn't mean that they don't tend to prefer using their Domain powers over other magics.

In the comics Darkseid and Ares once manipulated Zeus so that he may fight Izaya and Izaya thought that they could both kill each other if it came to a fight.

Izaya is basically Darkseids equal and he thought that if he fought Zeus that Zeus could kill him.

So if Zoat decides to use a similar power level for his stories version of Zeus, then I don't think he really nerfed them all that much.

You gotta remember, Paul is really bad at being an actual leader.

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And you gotta remember that so far Paul has shown himself to be a competent leader when he took up such a position.

The same goes for most of his other versions who took up leadership positions.

He's not perfect, but he's also not exactly the flailing infant you seem to believe he is when it comes to leadership.

Case in point.

Leaders are always needed, if only to read over and sign the endless amounts of paperwork that cross their desk.

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There is such a thing as delegation.

His role is also a whole lot more ceremonial now with his wife running the actual day to day government, along with whoever works below her.

He most likely trusts her and that warrior cat that hated Lion O to run things competently, while others either respect or fear him to not step out of line.

He also created a government that won't have to rely on him to do everything since when Krona took him it could have spelled the end of whatever he built if he was absent and made a civilization that relies on one guy for everything.

 

[transhumansage]

I can't comment on Pact, but... I mean, yes, it was the best of a bad bunch of post-Weatherlight books, but 'Novels and Storylines' on the WotC board got renamed 'Storylines' and the whole forum got banned from talking about them for a reason.

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what does post weatherlight refer to? also do you mean wizards of the coast with wotc?

 

[ironbabyjones]

"I like.. enjoying myself. I hate being serious. Life is to be enjoyed. It's just-" I wave my hands around my head. "-you should be doing that why aren't you doing that is there a reason you're doing that I don't think there's a reason why you're doing that. I don't want to have to care but I have to care, because…" I wave my arms at her instead. "Gahh! The world needs things other than people in costumes hitting each other! Anything outside an actual doomsday attack, car crashes still kill more people than supervillains by far. Why am I, of all people, the one pointing this out!?"

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(I'm binge reading right now)

I liked this scene. The way it's depicted, despite the physical descriptions, I can only picture the Sybarite-OL as a super short guy bobbing up and down as he flies next to Wonder Woman.

This has probably been said already, but reading the arc featuring race riots on Mars was made way more interesting given recent events. (I desperately hope this does not open an old can of worms!)

Mr Zoat, I want to thank you for working on this story so long. Binging through old SV threads, there were many times I wished to comment but of course the material was too old - so please accept a single thank you in place of a lengthy commentary!

 

[Mr Zoat]

Darkseid was once beaten by a couple of thugs.

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If that's the fight I'm thinking of then it was Darkseid taking a dive to learn what tyranny was like from the other side.

what does post weatherlight refer to? also do you mean wizards of the coast with wotc?

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I used to play a game called Magic: the Gathering, produced by a company called Wizards of the Coast. I also used to frequent their forum. One of the boards on the forum was called 'Novels and Storylines', where people discussed the fictional works associated with the game. At the time, each of the three card sets released every year had a novel associated with them. The first few I read were... Okay. Some interesting ideas, no real depth. Some people liked them, some didn't.

Then the Onslaught block happened. Three books of pure crap, and the forum united in its opinion on the subject. And the Mods had an episode, and I think this is where my distaste for moderators started. Initially, the forum was shut completely. Then they put it back with 'Novels' shorn from the name and a firm instruction to everyone not to discuss the novels. Which provoked the response: 'How do we discuss the storyline without discussing the novels?'

It was a classic case of 'once people start talking in ways we don't want them to, shut it down and pretend it was always against the rules'.

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what does post weatherlight refer to? also do you mean wizards of the coast with wotc?

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The Weatherlight is the name of a ship Urza built to fight the phyrexians. The saga covers the period where the crew do that.

(I'm binge reading right now)

I liked this scene. The way it's depicted, despite the physical descriptions, I can only picture the Sybarite-OL as a super short guy bobbing up and down as he flies next to Wonder Woman.

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Nope. Still 6'1

This has probably been said already, but reading the arc featuring race riots on Mars was made way more interesting given recent events. (I desperately hope this does not open an old can of worms!)

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Fortunately, the 20 year exclusion is only for events 20 years in the past, not 20 years in the future.

Mr Zoat, I want to thank you for working on this story so long. Binging through old SV threads, there were many times I wished to comment but of course the material was too old - so please accept a single thank you in place of a lengthy commentary!

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You're welcome.

 

[Darko]

If that's the fight I'm thinking of then it was Darkseid taking a dive to learn what tyranny was like from the other side.

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I don't think that's right.

I think that he either lost a significant portion of his powers then, or he actually needs people to be afraid of him for him to have any power over them, and those thugs didn't know who he was so they weren't afraid of him.

 

[Vaermina]

And you gotta remember that so far Paul has shown himself to be a competent leader when he took up such a position.

The same goes for most of his other versions who took up leadership positions.

He's not perfect, but he's also not exactly the flailing infant you seem to believe he is when it comes to leadership.

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You have a very low bar for what it takes for a leader with a Zoat level power ring to be considered competent...

 

[Alexcorvin]

That similar to why the orange version who actually went to Earth Bet killed Legend

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When/where does this happen? Can you give me a link, pretty please? I'm very curious about your take on Worm.

 

[Darko]

You have a very low bar for what it takes for a leader with a Zoat level power ring to be considered competent...

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And you seem to have a very odd and incredibly inconsistent bar on what you consider to be good leadership and character quality, often times to the point that your statements make no sense whatsoever.

When/where does this happen? Can you give me a link, pretty please? I'm very curious about your take on Worm.

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Zoat didn't write this scene yet.

He said that an orange version attacked a Cauldron HQ after finding out they tested drugs on people and then wiped their memories.

He thought they were evil and when Legend responded to his attack he thought he knew what was happening in the facility so killed him.