With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Darko]

He HAS been upgrading himself, but he's been taking it slow because he likes how he is right now and he doesn't want to make a change that will backfire on him. It's come up in the story on occasion, but it's more of a background thing. The SI prefers to use technology instead of bioengineering because it's safer and easier to adapt and generalize.

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He may also be waiting until he has a ton of ways of safely empowering himself.

Yeah he has several now, but most of them are magical in nature, and his soul doesn't react the way an ordinary human one does.

He probably also wants to be able to empower himself further after each empowerment and the methods he has now may not allow that.

Renegade may not be able to empower himself after his divinity grew.

Paragon has Compound V now, so if the Sivana manage to find a way to administer it without any dangerous side effects, he can potentially get kryptonian level powers.

He could literally have had his ring brute force simulate workable genetic upgrades by this point.

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Brute forcing something like that would be incredibly risky, and even Paul tends to be careful from time to time.

Except of course he has almost no personal power and without his power rings would get his ass kicked by Robin.

So again, he's an inflated parade balloon, impressive on the surface, but full of helium making him look bigger and more impressive then he actually is.

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You didn't read what I wrote about him having a powerful soul.

He has a whole lot of personal power, seeing as his soul is a part of a being that has eaten gods.

Yes he doesn't have a lot of offensive power without his rings, but he still has a lot of personal power.

He has the power to summon the Ophidian, probably even without his ring or lantern at this point, in case you forgot.

 

[Ardy]

He could literally have had his ring brute force simulate workable genetic upgrades by this point.

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Hey now, that sounds like the Power Rings are way overpowered, and I've got it on good authority that Paul is already too boring and uninteresting and overpowered and also evil and stupid etc., so he can't possibly have magic genetic testing power ring powers. At least according to Vaermina.

 

[Vaermina]

Brute forcing something like that would be incredibly risky, and even Paul tends to be careful from time to time.

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Brute force simulating workable genetic upgrades is completely and utterly risk free.

Hey now, that sounds like the Power Rings are way overpowered, and I've got it on good authority that Paul is already too boring and uninteresting and overpowered and also evil and stupid etc., so he can't possibly have magic genetic testing power ring powers. At least according to Vaermina.

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It is, which is why Zoat shouldn't have upgraded his Power Ring's so much.

But he did, and now we get to call Paul out for not using those.

 

[Baladar]

One of my favorite things about this last chapter is that everyone is shit talking Dream and Paul is going "Guys. Please don't antagonize the primordial being that is literally the father of almost all gods."

 

[Darko]

Brute force simulating workable genetic upgrades is completely and utterly risk free.

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Thought you meant actually changing his body and not just simulations.

It is, which is why Zoat shouldn't have upgraded his Power Ring's so much.

But he did, and now we get to call Paul out for not using those.

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He didn't upgrade his rings.

Power rings in the comics have been shown as being able to do a lot of the things shown in this story. The lanterns just don't use those functions all that often.

Paul can also want to be careful about some things, and altering his genetic makeup to the point that it may be irreversible can be one of them.

One of my favorite things about this last chapter is that everyone is shit talking Dream and Paul is going "Guys. Please don't antagonize the primordial being that is literally the father of almost all gods."

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Role reversal much?

 

[Mastigos2]

Brute force simulating workable genetic upgrades is completely and utterly risk free.

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Not really. Considering the setting, it would probably result in simulating a biological virus at some point and then that becoming a computer virus that infects the ring. Or some other bullshit like that.

 

[transhumansage]

No, just a byproduct of being really old.

Thank you, corrected.

You mean, like by putting tattoos on his body that make him immune to exotic detection? Something like that?

Mostly because he likes how he is.

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i was thinking making himself more durable against physical attacks without the ring on and stuff like that. i always saw the tattoos as replacement for the lack of a soul thing.

 

[Vaermina]

He didn't upgrade his rings.

Power rings in the comics have been shown as being able to do a lot of the things shown in this story. The lanterns just don't use those functions all that often.

Paul can also want to be careful about some things, and altering his genetic makeup to the point that it may be irreversible can be one of them.

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Actually he did.

Power Rings don't actually allow matter transmutation, they don't actually allow genetic alteration, and they don't even technically allow you heal other people. (Outside of Blue Rings, which was a factor of the blue light and not the ring.)

 

[Darko]

Actually he did.

Power Rings don't actually allow matter transmutation, they don't actually allow genetic alteration, and they don't even technically allow you heal other people. (Outside of Blue Rings, which was a factor of the blue light and not the ring.)

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Ivo was healed from his immortality serum with a power ring.

Rings have been shown as being able to do all sorts of things, including matter transmutation.

 

[Vaermina]

Ivo was healed from his immortality serum with a power ring.

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Ah yes, Justice League Quarterly Issue 5.

The issue where they very specifically have the Green Lantern lampshade that rings can't do what Ice claimed to have done with it.

Of course, what you forgot to mention is that Ice was an "unaware of her own power" magic user, so we have alt explanation for it.

Rings have been shown as being able to do all sorts of things, including matter transmutation.

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People updating the Wikia's think they did, but like is often the case with Wikia's, the actual comic pages show a different story then the wikia editors seem to think.

 

[Aeess]

Lanterns use their rings to create things all the time, like their uniforms for example and we know they aren't constructs since they stay on even after the rings are removed.

 

[Mr Zoat]

15th April
06:46 GMT -5

"Recognized, Doctor Fate, two one, Orange Lantern, B zero six, Koriand'r, A six two."

A few perturbed looks from my early-rising colleagues, but with John's clearly different outline and my lack of aggression they appear willing to let it lie. All the lifers are up and about, along with Artemis. I assume that Wallace phoned her. Diana gives me a smile while Alan mostly looks pensive.

"Is it true?" Canis strides over, eyes wide and mouth grinning with excitement. "This man was turned into a sand monster sixty years ago and he has been in a state of torment ever since?!"

"You're about to tell me that his pain must be exquisite and that you want to dedicate an artwork to it, aren't you?"

"No! A full triptych! Perhaps more!" His gaze suddenly shifts to Koriand'r. "Ah, the tamaranean. Such a shame that I did not meet you at your most interesting."

"You are Apokoliptian."

"Born and raised!"

Her face falls. "Even with everything I have experienced, I do not think that I would trade my life for yours."

"I would not trade mine for yours, either." He shakes his head and rolls his eyes. "Aliens."

"…sounds familiar to me, but I do not…" Angelika flies over. "Paul, I remember the Sandman of my Earth from Overman's records, but this… Sandy. I do not know him."

Alan takes a slow breath. "Do I wanna ask?"

"He survived the Conquest of America, and was a major figure in the resistance until nineteen sixty one."

"I guess not many of us who were in the All-Star Squadron made out okay."

"No, you… Did not."

He waits for a moment, but she doesn't expand on it. "You may as well tell me."

"You -and most of the more powerful members of the Squadron- died in Europe, during the early part of the invasion of Britain."

He nods. "There's a Nazi wearing my ring now, isn't there?"

"Yes… But… Like me, he was born long after the purges were complete. I do not know how… Nazi he is. Not for certain."

"I'm sure you can have a talk with him about it when-"

"Recognized, B zero three, Kid Flash, A six three, Jay Garrick."

"-you go back. Morning, Jay!"

Jay nods, and I'm slightly worried by the fact that he's wearing his costume. "Blue Lantern."

"Ah heck, Jay, everyone here either knows or doesn't care."

Wallace is carrying an age-worn journal, and immediately heads over to Garth and Tula. Mr Dodds supposedly got his education on the mystical somewhere in the Far East, but there are some fairly significant differences between Hindu and Taoist magic practices… Assuming that he didn't just run into a bunch of con artists. I don't know if it will mean much to magic users trained in the Atlantean tradition, but I suppose it can't hurt to ask.

I turn to Diana.

"Are we ready to start?"

She nods. "I believe so. Please, tell everyone what you have learned."

I connect my ring to the training area's hologram system and call up an image of Mr Dodds in full costume.

"This is Wesley Bernard Dodds, aka 'Sandman'. He was a founding member of the Justice Society and -during World War Two- a member of the All-Star Squadron."

He quit almost immediately afterwards, his need to prevent his prophetic dreams becoming reality not really meshing well with government work. They let him go because they didn't particularly want a man who specialised in non-lethal takedowns. And I do mean 'non'; there's not a single recorded instance of anyone dying as a result of his gas gun.

"And this-" I bring up an image that -should we find him- I'll endeavour to make sure never makes it onto the internet. "-was his sidekick, Sanderson Hawkins, aka Sandy-"

Linda's eyes widen, and she splutter-laughs. Artemis and Wallace look like they're only just holding their laughter in as well.

"-the Golden Boy, and that costume, A, wasn't that weird in the forties and B, have you seen Superman's costume lately?"

I bring up an image of Superman's 'with pants' costume, and the bold colour choices and external underwear make the visual link obvious. Linda then looks down at her own costume, and I spot the change in her expression as her Noriel-thoughts take over. Kon raises his eyebrows at Artemis, who half-shrugs an apology.

I dismiss the Superman hologram.

"In nineteen forty five, there was an accident while they were testing a new silicon-based weapon. At this point, Sandman reported that his sidekick had been killed. But according to information I received this morning, what actually happened was rather different. Instead of simply dying, he allegedly underwent an extreme physiological change, becoming a frenzied silicon-based monster, and Sandman spent a good deal of effort both keeping him contained and trying to find a way to turn him back into a human."

That prompts several frowns, but Alan's the one who voices their doubts.

"How exactly does this source know about this? I never-" He looks around the small circle of Justice Society members. "-heard anything about this at the time."

"I don't know for certain, but there's no obvious reason for Morpheus to lie about it. And he would certainly be in a position to know."

M'gann raises her right hand. "Who is Morpheus?"

"Lord L'Zoril." My eyes move to Canis and Noriel. "Dream of the Endless. Indirectly, the source of Sandman's prophetic visions. Unfortunately, he wasn't willing or able to tell me exactly where Sandy is, which means that we're checking as many possible locations as we can identify, and going through as many of Sandman's records as we can find."

"And as for what happens when we find him, that depends on what sort of state he's in. Hopefully, our better understanding of magic and alchemy will allow us to revert him to his human form. Failing that, just restoring his reason will be a decent first step, because a man made of sand won't be the strangest thing any of us has seen."

Wallace grimaces. "Yeah, no pressure."

Kaldur nods. "Do we know how strong Sandy is in his current form?"

"Not precisely. Immediately after his transformation he was subdued by a middle-aged man with an alchemical gas weapon, so I don't think we're talking about a world-beater here. But I don't have any more information on his peak abilities."

"Could Morpheus not provide you with more information?"

"With a being like that, I didn't want to press."

I see their expressions.

"Oh come on. I'm not that bad."

 

[Vaermina]

"Oh come on. I'm not that bad."

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You really are Paul.

 

[Darko]

Ah yes, Justice League Quarterly Issue 5.

The issue where they very specifically have the Green Lantern lampshade that rings can't do what Ice claimed to have done with it.

Of course, what you forgot to mention is that Ice was an "unaware of her own power" magic user, so we have alt explanation for it.

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Or the explanation that they were just unaware of that function is fully possible and makes sense.

Earth's Lanterns tend to use their rings for fighting typically and not other things like curing sicknesses.

There was speculation that if Kyle had a bigger knowledge of biology he would be able to cure a lot of diseases.

People updating the Wikia's think they did, but like is often the case with Wikia's, the actual comic pages show a different story then the wikia editors seem to think.

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Please provide proof of them not being able to alter matter, when it has been shown in the comics that they are capable of practically anything.

Also as Aeess mentioned the uniforms aren't constructs, but something the ring created using matter alteration.

 

[Baladar]

In which the team realizes there are things Paul has no interest in trying to over power.

 

[Vaermina]

Or the explanation that they were just unaware of that function is fully possible and makes sense.

Earth's Lanterns tend to use their rings for fighting typically and not other things like curing sicknesses.

There was speculation that if Kyle had a bigger knowledge of biology he would be able to cure a lot of diseases.

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I am sure you can provide an example of someone without magic powers healing with a non-blue power ring then.

Please provide proof of them not being able to alter matter, when it has been shown in the comics that they are capable of practically anything.

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Sorry, doesn't work like that, you don't get to ask someone to prove a negative.

On that note however, I do get to ask you to prove they can.

Also as Aeess mentioned the uniforms aren't constructs, but something the ring created using matter alteration.

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Not according to the comic that actually talks about the uniforms it isn't.

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[Someguy Somewhere]

That's one of the things that caught my eye when I first started reading WTR and started to ponder what I would do in OL's position.

Even if you knew NOTHING about DC or Power Rings, there's a few things you can make assumptions on just by what the 'baseline' abilities you observe with them in operation. Particularly the automated functions that folks seem to just accept without issue. It mostly falls under ' Required Secondary Powers ' with the AI handling it in the background.

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The Environmental Shield implies a LOT of secondary features that all ring users have access to without actually understanding or even thinking about.

The breathable atmosphere generation, assuming that it's automatically generating a standard atmosphere for whatever species is wearing one, along with pressure and artificial gravity. The oxygen nitrogen mix for humans is likely very different from other lanterns in the galaxy, and the rings don't appear to be custom fit to the users, and no user has been shown actively thinking about the processes needed, it comes on the moment a ring wearer has the proper focus on their emotions.

Assuming that it's able to generate, heat and cool various gases ex nilo without a separate construct for it is the high end version, where as assuming that it transmutes gases from surrounding materials on the fly would be a slight step down from that. Alternatively it some how replaces the need for such things at a biological level automagically would be a rather significant leap to pretty much immortality right out the gate, since if pretty much stops entropy on a biological level there. However this works as a AI controlled feature likely also covers food and water generation for a user the same way. Maybe they just store all the mixes of gases in subspace pockets and squirt it out as needed and they top off the tank when you're not looking...who knows.

The comic version of Guy was stuck on Superboy-Prime duty for weeks, where he had the ring take care of the biological issues of standing around doing nothing for all that time being a guard. The includes excreating, which Zoat went into rather plentiful detail in describing in the early days of WTR.

Another aspect that doesn't get mentioned at all (aside from maybe OL's early issues with transitioning others with him) is a side effect of Ring Based Flight.

Inertial Dampening.

As we understand it, ring based flight is 'grab the person in the environmental shield and drag them around With the shield construct' Rather then making some construct wings or rotors to drag you around by straps. With the latter we'd assume relatively normal physics with the parts just being handled by hard light constructs replacing the moving parts. But a ring user can fly in any direction, and rapidly accelerate to fractions of light speed (to cross solar systems even without FTL). Such actions should render a person being dragged around, even in a form fitting force field, to a fine red paste rather quickly. Similarly when a Lantern is hit by an object or weapons fire at a significant speed, they never suffer from whiplash or other imparted stresses from that. Sure when the shield itself takes a massive impact some damage bleeds through and wounds a GL now and then, but stop and think about it, if even a tenth of a superman level punch got in, it's not 'a bloody lip'...it's a closed casket funeral. So the rings are either nullifying kinetic energy from movement and impacts, or it's generating a counter force Perfectly every time it encounters it, and if the AI running those calculations gets it even slightly wrong....well best bring a mop.

So basic shield, basic flight....one of the other early powers we've seen was scanning....which is left rather vague in what it's actually doing. If it's just optically recognizing things around the user then it's got some sort of camera like equivalent, again without a visible construct. If it's doing basic radar, then it's sending and receiving an electromagnetic signal. Same with sonic scans or x-rays. If it's something more esoteric, like why it counts as magic for the sake of scry wards, then it's still likely projecting something, and is detectable to those with tech of a similar level.

But this implies that a ring, without user knowledge or instruction is able to generate and direct energy in various forms, such as Electromagnetic or radiological signals, and at significant range and power levels.


All in all, even with the baseline abilities, if the user unlocked the AI control of them, is a massive example of the 'The Kzinti Lesson'.

Ring can generate pressure and temperature regulated breathable atmospheric gases for every known race? I'm sure a LOT of those are combustible...contain in a basic tube construct, and you have a potato cannon from hell. Some of them are toxic or caustic to other races? Chemical Warfare squirt guns.

Inertia dampening? Ok, pick something up in a bubble and fly off, and turn it OFF....Splat. (One of the flashes actually figured out how to do something like this in the comics...letting something NOT get shielded from air friction while he carried it)

High Powered Directional Scanners? Hello Mr X-Ray Laser Cannon!


Once you start pulling at the threads theres just no stop to the fun you can have with the thing....and this isn't even leveraging the fact that the onboard AI is smart enough to interface with all manners of tech. You'd be a one man Cyberterrorist in seconds with a little application of a few ones and zeros.

 

[Darko]

I am sure you can provide an example of someone without magic powers healing with a non-blue power ring then.

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The green lantern that healed Ivo.

And no your excuse that Ice's supposed magic powers altered the rings function don't hold up.

Sorry, doesn't work like that, you don't get to ask someone to prove a negative.

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How does it not work like that?

Read the fucking wiki, where it says that the ring allows matter transmutation, and also remember that the rings have been shown as being able to do things that make matter transmutation seem trivial by comparison, like time travel.

If you claim that the one who wrote that bit in the wiki was mistaken then provide proof of someone in the comics saying that power rings are incapable of matter alteration.

Not according to the comic that actually talks about the uniforms it isn't.

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And later comics basically made it so the ring creates a uniform for the ring bearer to wear, and doesn't disappear after they take off the ring.

And to end this little conversation, remember that this isn't the New Earth universe, even if Zoat adds elements of it into his story, this is Earth 16, where we weren't exactly shown all that much of what power rings can do, so Zoat can just decide to make the ones in Earth 16 be able to do the things you say they aren't capable of doing.

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

15th April
06:46 GMT -5

"Recognized, two one, Doctor Fate, B zero six, Orange Lantern, A six two, Koriand'r."

A few perturbed looks from my early-rising colleagues, but with John's clearly different outline and my lack of aggression they appear willing to let it lie. All the lifers are up and about, along with Artemis. I assume that Wallace phoned her. Diana gives me a smile while Alan mostly looks pensive.

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So, a solid mission team's here. That'll make finding Sandy much easier. Though I wonder how much they've been told...

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"Is it true?" Canis strides over, eyes wide and mouth grinning with excitement. "This man was turned into a sand monster sixty years ago and he has been in a state of torment ever since?!"

"You're about to tell me that his pain must be exquisite and that you want to dedicate an artwork to it, aren't you?"

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Typical Canis. Don't you just love his schadenfruede?

"No! A full triptych! Perhaps more!" His gaze suddenly shifts to Koriand'r. "Ah, the tamaranean. Such a shame that I did not meet you at your most interesting."

"You are Apokoliptian."

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'Most interesting', huh? I bet he means 'while you were being tortured by the Psions in the name of science.'

"Born and raised!"

Her face falls. "Even with everything I have experienced, I do not think that I would trade my life for yours."

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No sane person would. And even the crazy ones might think twice when they find out what it involves.

"I would not trade mine for yours, either." He shakes his head and rolls his eyes. "Aliens."

"…sounds familiar to me, but I do not…" Angelika flies over. "Paul, I remember the Sandman of my Earth from Overman's records, but this… Sandy. I do not know him."

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Huh, she's still hanging out with the team. I would have thought the Time Trapper would have gotten her back where she should be by now. Must be a tricky problem...

Alan takes a slow breath. "Do I wanna ask?"

"He survived the Conquest of America, and was a major figure in the resistance until nineteen sixty one."

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Hooray for him. Though I doubt he died peacefully...

"I guess not many of us who were in the All-Star Squadron made out okay."

"No, you… Did not."

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Oh, for... Let me guess, died young?

He waits for a moment, but she doesn't expand on it. "You may as well tell me."

"You -and most of the more powerful members of the Squadron- died in Europe, during the early part of the invasion of Britain."

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Using the power of the Spear of Destiny, or just beat down by some power-house?

He nods. "There's a Nazi wearing my ring now, isn't there?"

"Yes… But… Like me, he was born long after the purges were complete. I do not know how… Nazi he is. Not for certain."

"I'm sure you can have a talk with him about it when-"

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Let's hope he's not one of the bad ones. Even with a broken power ring, that's a scary idea.

"Recognized, B zero three, Kid Flash, A six three, Jay Garrick."

"-you go back. Morning, Jay!"

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It's practically a reunion! Diana, Alan and Jay? Isn't that basically all the surviving members?

Jay nods, and I'm slightly worried by the fact that he's wearing his costume. "Blue Lantern."

"Ah heck, Jay, everyone here either knows or doesn't care."

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True enough. But operational discipline is still important. Would you want someone using your real name in public?

Wallace is carrying an age-worn journal, and immediately heads over to Garth and Tula. Mr Dodds supposedly got his education on the mystical somewhere in the Far East, but there are some fairly significant differences between Hindu and Taoist magic practices… Assuming that he didn't just run into a bunch of con artists. I don't know if it will mean much to magic users trained in the Atlantean tradition, but I suppose it can't hurt to ask.

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There's bound to be some useful intel in there, at least. At least a hint to where Sandy is...

I turn to Diana.

"Are we ready to start?"

She nods. "I believe so. Please, tell everyone what you have learned."

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Briefing time!

I connect my ring to the training area's hologram system and call up an image of Mr Dodds in full costume.

"This is Wesley Bernard Dodds, aka 'Sandman'. He was a founding member of the Justice Society and -during World War Two- a member of the All-Star Squadron."

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Hmm, original noir trenchcoat and gas mask, or the red and gold long-underwear?

He quit almost immediately afterwards, his need to prevent his prophetic dreams becoming reality not really meshing well with government work. They let him go because they didn't particularly want a man who specialised in non-lethal takedowns. And I do mean 'non'; there's not a single recorded instance of anyone dying as a result of his gas gun.

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If they could have reproduced his gas, it might have been useful in covert operations for easy knockouts...

"And this-" I bring up an image that -should we find him- I'll endeavour to make sure never makes it onto the internet. "-was his sidekick, Sanderson Hawkins, aka Sandy-"

Linda's eyes widen, and she splutter-laughs. Artemis and Wallace look like they're only just holding their laughter in as well.

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Hey, be nice, it was the forties. Costume design wasn't as advanced as it is today, with your newfangled colour-changing bullet-resistant spandex! All they had was leather, wool, silk and cotton for the most part.

"-the Golden Boy, and that costume, A, wasn't that weird in the forties and B, have you seen Superman's costume lately?"

I bring up an image of it, and the bold colour choices and external underwear and the visual link obvious. Linda then looks down at her own costume, and I spot the change in her expression as her Noriel-thoughts take over. Kon raises his eyebrows at Artemis, who half-shrugs an apology.

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So despite his best efforts, Supes prefers the old-school. Figures.

I dismiss the Superman hologram.

"In nineteen forty five, there was an accident while they were testing a new silicon-based weapon. At this point, Sandman reported that his sidekick had been killed. But according to information I received this morning, what actually happened was rather different. Instead of simply dying, he allegedly underwent an extreme physiological change, becoming a frenzied silicon-based monster, and Sandman spent a good deal of effort both keeping him contained and trying to find a way to turn him back into a human."

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Nicely summarised.

That prompts several frowns, but Alan's the one who voices their doubts.

"How exactly does this source know about this? I never-" He looks around the small circle of Justice Society members. "-heard anything about this at the time."

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Here we go. How to explain the esoteric abilities of the Endless.

"I don't know for certain, but there's no obvious reason for Morpheus to lie about it. And he would certainly be in a position to know."

M'gann raises her right hand. "Who is Morpheus?"

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Well, for a start, he's not a black guy played by Laurence Fishbourne... Much more pasty goth...

"Lord L'Zoril." My eyes move to Canis and Noriel. "Dream of the Endless. Indirectly, the source of Sandman's prophetic visions. Unfortunately, he wasn't willing or able to tell me exactly where Sandy is, which means that we're checking as many possible locations as we can identify, and going through as many of Sandman's records as we can find."

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Because 'Ring, scan for silicon-based lifeforms, please.' would produce way too many false positives...

"And as for what happens when we find him, that depends on what sort of state he's in. Hopefully, our better understand of magic and alchemy will allow us to revert him to his human form. Failing that, just restoring his reason will be a decent first step, because a man made of sand won't be the strangest thing any of us has seen."

Wallace grimaces. "Yeah, no pressure."

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And let's be honest, it probably won't be too hard...

Kaldur nods. "Do we know how strong Sandy is in his current form?"

"Not precisely. Immediately after his transformation he was subdued by a middle-aged man with an alchemical gas weapon, so I don't think we're talking about a world-beater here. But I don't have any more information on his peak abilities."

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...Yeah... You didn't read the early 2000's JSA series, did you? Or remember much of his abilities? By the end of the series, he had significant geokinetic powers... But hey, that means it'll be a surprise for the team!

"Could Morpheus not provide you with more information?"

"With a being like that, I didn't want to press."

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Yeah, always tread carefully around him. Three words: King of Dreams... Two more words: And Nightmares.

I see their expressions.

"Oh come on. I'm not that bad."

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I think they're more surprised at you being sensible. It's so rare these days.

Okay. Team's together, they know what they need to do, who they're looking for... Things should get quite interesting when they find him. Perhaps we'll see a resurgence of the JSA down the line. That'll be fun.

 

[Idkusername]

He quit almost immediately afterwards, his need to prevent his prophetic dreams becoming reality not really meshing well with government work. They let him go because they didn't particularly want a man who specialised in non-lethal takedowns. And I do mean 'non'; there's not a single recorded instance of anyone dying as a result of his gas gun.

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Add quotations, unless it was an interior monologue.

our better understand of magic and alchemy

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'understanding'

 

[Darko]

Huh, she's still hanging out with the team. I would have thought the Time Trapper would have gotten her back where she should be by now. Must be a tricky problem...

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She actually chose to stay.

This was because she figured out her Nazi upbringing was evil and wrong and wanted to change, but was worried that if she got back too soon that she would relapse into old habits.

Using the power of the Spear of Destiny, or just beat down by some power-house?

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I don't think they used magic all that much on Overgirls Earth, seeing as they had a Kryptonian and advanced alien tech on their side.

My guess is either Overman killed them, the Nazis used advanced tech to do it etc., and probably didn't use magic.

...Yeah... You didn't read the early 2000's JSA series, did you? Or remember much of his abilities? By the end of the series, he had significant geokinetic powers... But hey, that means it'll be a surprise for the team!

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He may not remember that.

Sandman and his sidekick aren't exactly all that recognizable names in the DC comics universe.

I bring up an image of it, and the bold colour choices and external underwear and the visual link obvious.

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Maybe add 'are obvious'

Supes is using his external underwear again?

I thought he stopped doing that after the Ophidian destroyed his underwear.

 

[Massgamer]

Having a powerful geokinectic around would be a great. He will most likely be on Team for a little bit to get his head on straight and get to know his abilities.

 

[Aeess]

Not according to the comic that actually talks about the uniforms it isn't.

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Doesn't apply to Orange Lanterns.

Like just look at this for example

This Orange Lantern explicitly had his ring created by Larfleeze but still got a uniform which remains even after Larfleeze calls his Ring back. In the same issue we see the same thing happening to four other former Oramge Lanterns.

So the lanterns obviously created them with their own rings, or are you claiming that Larfleeze hired a tailor to make uniforms for each of his assimilated Lanterns?

 

[transhumansage]

I see their expressions.

"Oh come on. I'm not that bad."

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what exactly are their expressions saying?

 

[Darko]

what exactly are their expressions saying?

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That they can't believe he's telling them not to piss off an extremely powerful being, when he practically does that once a week at least.

 

[transhumansage]

That they can't believe he's telling them not to piss off an extremely powerful being, when he practically does that once a week at least.

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yes well, there is pissing of some jumped up diety on a single planet and then there is pissing off an endless. he might as well moon the furies. unless the furies in this continuity are not as powerful?

 

[Mr Zoat]

Add quotations, unless it was an interior monologue.

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It was.

'understanding'

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Thank you, corrected.

Maybe add 'are obvious'

Supes is using his external underwear again?

I thought he stopped doing that after the Ophidian destroyed his underwear.

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Thank you, corrected.

 

[frommerman]

yes well, there is pissing of some jumped up diety on a single planet and then there is pissing off an endless. he might as well moon the furies. unless the furies in this continuity are not as powerful?

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The Furies in this continuity are powerful enough that OL argued with the Themyscirans to prevent them from being unleashed on a serial rapist. I'm not sure if we know if he was worried about collateral damage or if he was suddenly really interested in due process, though.

 

[Darko]

'with pants' costume,

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So he's now wearing a costume that makes it looks like he has pants on, instead of it being more akin to a one piece suit?

Does he look like his n52 self now?

Spoiler: n52 Superman

The Furies in this continuity are powerful enough that OL argued with the Themyscirans to prevent them from being unleashed on a serial rapist. I'm not sure if we know if he was worried about collateral damage or if he was suddenly really interested in due process, though.

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He didn't want to be forced to protect him.

 

[Ngamer11]

Going back to Persephone a bit, it isn't hard to see why she would act the way she is here. She is in a marriage against her will, and she may consider the only good thing to come from it to be her children. As such, she may be scared of something similar happening to her children, or just Melinoë in particular. As such, she goes overprotective with Melinoë and makes sure that nothing happens to her, especially with boys. It isn't helped by the fact that Melinoë is basically sheltered all her life, and probably has zero experience with boys.

So when she hears that the new demigod that has been messing with super powerful beings, including other members of the Greco-Roman pantheon, her family, has been paying attention to her "innocent little girl", is it no wonder that she seems to be ready to smite Paul at a moment's notice? She probably thinks they're going to elope or have a child together.

Someone needs to explain this to Paul, it'll be hilarious. Just like how Artemis had to explain that Zatanna rejoining the Team when he did wasn't a coincidence.