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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

Deep Six Status:

Shaligo: Assimilated. Currently with OL and Roy.
Slig: Turned into a seal. Might regain his mental faculties when the collar is removed.
Pyron: Assimilated. Currently dealing with Trok.
Trok: Still free. Currently fighting Pyron.
Gole: Incapacitated. Not getting assimilated unless he somehow breaks free.
Jaffar: Still free.

So, Paragon might be leaving with half a complete set. Hey Mr Zoat, do construct lanterns have the knowledge they can assimilate things from the start or are they unaware till their lantern tells them? Asking cause Larfleeze's construct lanterns seemed to assimilate everyone they killed in the comics.
 
So, Paragon might be leaving with half a complete set. Hey Mr Zoat, do construct lanterns have the knowledge they can assimilate things from the start or are they unaware till their lantern tells them? Asking cause Larfleeze's construct lanterns seemed to assimilate everyone they killed in the comics.
The SI is unclear how much a construct lantern is a person and how much they're person-shaped orange light. He hasn't really experimented, and certainly doesn't engage them in casual conversation so as to avoid seeing them as people.
 
The SI is unclear how much a construct lantern is a person and how much they're person-shaped orange light. He hasn't really experimented, and certainly doesn't engage them in casual conversation so as to avoid seeing them as people.

Demon Nabu tends to express a pretty strong ego.

But anyways, that wasn't what I was asking; I was asking if the construct lanterns had instinctive knowledge on their powers and could they use them at will.

For example, could Pyron decide to try and assimilate Trok on his own or would he not even know he could try to di what OL did to him unless Paragon ordered him to assimilate him.

Ring: "Identity theft in progress. One percent complete."
Paragon: "What the... Pyron?"
-Pyron's head appears from the ring.-
Pyron: "Yeah, Boss?"
Paragon: "Are you...?"
Pyron: "Nabbing Trok? Oh yeah!" -cue frown.- "Do.. you not want me too?"
Paragon: "Uh, not bothered, but I'll need to boost you to get it done."
Pyron: "Got it- OW! Dammit, Trok, stop struggling!"
Paragon: "... What does it say he's the first to try doing this without me asking him to?"
 
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Demon Nabu tends to express a pretty strong ego.

But anyways, that wasn't what I was asking; I was asking if the construct lanterns had instinctive knowledge on their powers and could they use them at will.

For example, could Pyron decide to try and assimilate Trok on his own or would he not even know he could try to do what OL did to him unless Paragon ordered him to assimilate him.
I sometimes avoid answering questions by stating that the SI wouldn't know the answer. I haven't decided whether that's a thing or not.
 
or just keeps him occupied
Missing punctuation after occupied.

His loops evasive pattern and high speed make hitting him precisely impossible,
His looping evasive pattern

but one glancing his to his chest is enough
glancing hit to

I start getting a little worried about what happens if he throws up with his mouth.
throws up with his mouth-. (Or 'throws up with his mouth sealed.')

Also, the lack of any punctuation on OL's 'dialogue' is ever so slightly jarring. Might want to consider single quotes or italics or something.
 
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23rd July 2013
12:16 GMT


"So how come I'm not infected?"

Leaving Sserpa behind to deal with the prisoners-. Prisoner and talkative seal, and I really hope that being turned into a seal doesn't count as 'death' for the purpose of them being reborn in the spawning pits, but neither of my construct lanterns know.

My best guess is that I got infected when I took off my helmet and only had my environmental shield for protection. If the cell culture can bypass exotic energy barriers but not physical barriers, then I'd have been vulnerable.

"So, always wear protection?"

I don't think it works like that. Wearing a helmet harms interpersonal interactions. In virtually all circumstances, an environmental shield is a perfectly effective form of protection.

"You're the one who said that the Orange Lantern Corps is a military organization first."

Yes, but the Justice League isn't, and I'm here doing League work. I agree, it would be nice not to be an octopus, but-

He snorts.

-I don't think this was a reasonably foreseeable event.

"Yeah, but you don't wear armour 'cause you know you're gunna get shot. You just know it could happen."

Huh.

I suppose that I could have prevented this problem by having a second conventional environmental shield on as well as the one my rings generate. My heavy armour includes that system, but you've seen what that looks like.

"Why are you so worried what it looks like?"

Because… Did you read the file on the Justice Society International?

"The parallel universe thing where the J.S.A. never broke up?"

Yes.

"Yeah, I read it. Kinda looks like Batman might be doing the same thing."

There's a logic to it. It's just… I don't really want to make a militarised system like that. Did you read up on Robert Peel?

"Yeah, 'cause you mentioned it. I don't think superheroes are exactly part of the public."

But we're not supposed to be an oppressive military force, either. NEMO is a military organisation, but the part of LEGION that's responsible for maintaining order on occupied planets doesn't dress like its marines and they include as many local people as they can once their brain scans come back clear.

"And that's why you don't like the OMACs. Because they're… Not part of the public. They don't even remember being part of the public."

Just because your costume is bright, that doesn't make you a superhero. And if I recognise that, Batman certainly should. Intimidation should be a sometimes tool.

And there the beach again. Only two members of the Deep Six left; Jaffar, who specialises in precise biological manipulation rather than 'now you're a fish' like Slig, and Trok, the axe-fighter who first attacked Roy. Jaffar stayed behind to continue their work, but I'm not sure what's Trok's planning.

I undulate as Shaligo returns to my ring, the impression of the platform where Jaffar's working, some sort of Apokoliptian machinery and… A crack in reality through which S'ivaa can be seen.

They destroyed my construct lantern. It's just the two of them.

"And any animals they created."

Jaffar is too focused on S'ivaa to make many of those. As far as Shaligo knows, all he's got is a couple of razor minnows.

"Will my armor stop them?"

It should, but they're mostly there to distract and harass rather than attack. The main threat comes from Trok and Jaffar.

"How fast can Jaffar work?"

Not particularly fast, and his ability is short ranged.

"You don't have to change a body much before it stops working."

You don't have to stab someone much before they stop working. Oh, and he can go invisible, so use your augmented visual modes.

"I always have those on. Sometimes when I'm on a mission I pretend I'm the predator."

Yautja.

"Huh?"

That's-. Never mind.

"You don't wanna turn back into a human before we attack them?"

When there's a chance that something that big getting out, I don't want to spend the hours carefully filtering my own blood that I'd need to in order to get my body back when I can fight well enough like this.

He nods. "Approach vector?"

Supercavitation drop. We'll get above them, then I'll fill the water with carbon dioxide bubbles and we can fall straight through it. It'll be more disorientating for them than us, unlike having me transition us there.

"And what do we do if S'ivaa gets out?"

Die.

"Oh. You don't… I don't know, the Ophidian..?"

I took eight months to work out how to reliably kill Nabu. I've had an hour to think about S'ivaa, a being about which I know nothing. Since modifying the Deep Six with his eczema made them immune to constructs, I'm going to assume that he's immune to at least that much, as well as being effectively invulnerable to kinetic energy at levels we can generate. I mean, sure, if he stirs, I'll throw everything I've got at him, but I'm not hopeful.

"Couldn't we just get away? If we can't hurt him, there's no sense getting killed."

If he gets completely free, that's the aim. The problem is, I don't know what the dividing line between 'getting out, but we can force him back if we're lucky' and 'he's out, kiss your arse goodbye' is. So I don't know when to give the 'flee' order.

And I do not remember S'ivaa from the comics, so no help there.

"Makes sense."

Right. Last thing. Ring, contact Lantern Rrab.

"Compliance."

An image of a somewhat distracted-looking Lantern Rrab appears over my ring. "We're bus-." She blinks. "Did he-? Lose his ring?"

No, he got turned into an octopus. We're heading in to confront the last remaining members of the Deep Six and try to keep S'ivaa in his pocket dimension. Send reinforcements once they're available.

"R-right. But I don't know when that will be."

Doesn't matter. Just do it once you can. End.

I turn to Roy as her face vanishes.

Shall we?
 
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I'm fine with the current setup, but if Octo-Paul really needed some sort of clever themed quotation marks, ""you could just use double quotation marks"" either side.

Because it adds up to 8 's.
 
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23rd July 2013
12:16 GMT


"So how come I'm not infected?"

Leaving Sserpa behind to deal with the prisoners-. Prisoner and talkative seal, and I really hope that being turned into a seal doesn't count as 'death' for the purpose of them being reborn in the spawning pits, but neither of my construct lanterns know.
That is the interesting part. If the Old God cells can casually ignore all of OL's defences, why didn't it rip through Roy's? Was he simply too insignificant, or is there something blindingly obvious OL ,missed?

(For clarity, I'll put anything OL says 'out loud' into a different font. Hopefully I catch everything...)
My best guess is that I got infected when I took off my helmet and only had my environmental shield for protection. If the cell culture can bypass exotic energy barriers but not physical barriers, then I'd have been vulnerable.
Seems reasonable, as we saw how effective they are against Spectrum Constructs.

"So, always wear protection?"

I don't think it works like that. Wearing a helmet harms interpersonal interactions. In virtually all circumstances, an environmental shield is a perfectly effective form of protection.
Except in ones when something can bypass the shield. To be fair to OL, he didn't know that at the time.

"You're the one who said that the Orange Lantern Corps is a military organization first."

Yes, but the Justice League isn't, and I'm here doing League work. I agree, it would be nice not to be an octopus, but-
On the upside, just imagine how Ratchet will react. All the many-limbed hugs. 😏

He snorts.

-I don't think this was a reasonably foreseeable event.
And he had no reason to assume his environmental shield was able to be compromised.

"Yeah, but you don't wear armour 'cause you know you're gunna get shot. You just know it could happen."

Huh.
To be fair, in their line of work, getting shot is pretty likely. And OL knows construct armour isn't super-effective against all things. Hence his conventional armours.

I suppose that I could have prevented this problem by having a second conventional environmental shield on as well as the one my rings generate. My heavy armour includes that system, but you've seen what that looks like.

"Why are you so worried what it looks like?"
I mean, just tell him about how you posed as a warbot on Qward, OL. Faceless, physically-imposing armour isn't always conducive to diplomacy.

Because… Did you read the file on the Justice Society International?

"The parallel universe thing where the J.S.A. never broke up?"
Very much an object lesson about militarised super-beings, yes.

Yes.

"Yeah, I read it. Kinda looks like Batman might be doing the same thing."
Except with genericised super-soldiers instead of independence-friendly, colourfully-clad superheroes... Bit worrying, isn't it?

There's a logic to it. It's just… I don't really want to make a militarised system like that. Did you read up on Robert Peel?

"Yeah, 'cause you mentioned it. I don't think superheroes are exactly part of the public."
His part in founding pretty much the first 'modern' police force, you mean? Pertinent...

But we're not supposed to be an oppressive military force, either. NEMO is a military organisation, but the part of LEGION that's responsible for maintaining order on occupied planets doesn't dress like its marines and they include as many local people as they can once their brain scans come back clear.
Which does make sense. 'Hearts and Minds', and all that...

"And that's why you don't like the OMACs. Because they're… Not part of the public. They don't even remember being part of the public."

Just because your costume is bright, that doesn't make you a superhero. And if I recognise that, Batman certainly should. Intimidation should be a sometimes tool.
Yeah, there are plenty of supervillains with colourful costumes, often for exactly the reason OL uses.

And there the beach again. Only two members of the Deep Six left; Jaffar, who specialises in precise biological manipulation rather than 'now you're a fish' like Slig, and Trok, the axe-fighter who first attacked Roy. Jaffar stayed behind to continue their work, but I'm not sure what's Trok's planning.
I wonder if the 'prison' is close enough to biological for Jaffar's power to affect it? Hey, New God stuff is weird that way, you know?

I undulate as Shaligo returns to my ring, the impression of the platform where Jaffar's working, some sort of Apokoliptian machinery and… A crack in reality through which S'ivaa can be seen.

They destroyed my construct lantern. It's just the two of them.
Ah, I see. Brute-forcing the process via the metaphysical equivalent of the 'jaws of life'.

"And any animals they created."

Jaffar is too focused on S'ivaa to make many of those. As far as Shaligo knows, all he's got is a couple of razor minnows.
Useful to know what your construct knew...

"Will my armor stop them?"

It should, but they're mostly there to distract and harass rather than attack. The main threat comes from Trok and Jaffar.
The big eff-off axe is the obvious threat. The real trouble is what the bio-kinetic can do...

"How fast can Jaffar work?"

Not particularly fast, and his ability is short ranged.
Good thing Roy is built for long-range engagement.

"You don't have to change a body much before it stops working."

You don't have to stab someone much before they stop working. Oh, and he can go invisible, so use your augmented visual modes.
Oh, that's just nasty. Even if his power is touch-range, being able to sneak up on his target makes it too easy...

"I always have those on. Sometimes when I'm on a mission I pretend I'm the predator."

Yautja.
Gesundheit. 😏 But really, I don't think that name is ever used in any of the movies, is it? (And is pronounced 'Ya-oo'cha', more or less, apparently...)

"Huh?"

That's-. Never mind.
Save the pop culture lesson for after you save the planet.

"You don't wanna turn back into a human before we attack them?"

When there's a chance that something that big getting out, I don't want to spend the hours carefully filtering my own blood that I'd need to in order to get my body back when I can fight well enough like this.
And that's assuming that even works. Who knows just what effect all this has had on you, physically and spiritually, besides the obvious.

He nods. "Approach vector?"

Supercavitation drop. We'll get above them, then I'll fill the water with carbon dioxide bubbles and we can fall straight through it. It'll be more disorientating for them than us, unlike having me transition us there.
Clever. Just the carbon-dioxide bubbles alone will put them off their game, given their amphibious nature.

"And what do we do if S'ivaa gets out?"

Die.

"Oh. You don't… I don't know, the Ophidian..?"
Would you want to take the risk of throwing one-seventh of the Universe's psychic makeup against a god of destruction?

I took eight months to work out how to reliably kill Nabu. I've had an hour to think about S'ivaa, a being about which I know nothing. Since modifying the Deep Six with his eczema made them immune to constructs, I'm going to assume that he's immune to at least that much, as well as being effectively invulnerable to kinetic energy at levels we can generate. I mean, sure, if he stirs, I'll throw everything I've got at him, but I'm not hopeful.
Let's hope it doesn't come to that, then...

"Couldn't we just get away? If we can't hurt him, there's no sense getting killed."

If he gets completely free, that's the aim. The problem is, I don't know what the dividing line between 'getting out, but we can force him back if we're lucky' and 'he's out, kiss your arse goodbye' is. So I don't know when to give the 'flee' order.
Best option would be 'retreat immediately and hope you make it.' then head for Supertown.

And I do not remember S'ivaa from the comics, so no help there.

"Makes sense."
Yeah, good thing you didn't say that part out loud. 😄

Right. Last thing. Ring, contact Lantern Rrab.

"Compliance."

An image of a somewhat distracted-looking Lantern Rrab appears over my ring. "We're bus-." She blinks. "Did he-? Loose his ring?"
Is everyone going to have some snappy comment about his new form or what? 😏

No, he got turned into an octopus. We're heading in to confront the last remaining members of the Deep Six and try to keep S'ivaa in his pocket dimension. Send reinforcements once they're available.

"R-right. But I don't know when that will be."
Let's hope Highfather overheard that name, even if it means things might get awkward. That will get whatever aid can be mustered on its way pronto.

Doesn't matter. Just do it once you can. End.

I turn to Roy as her face vanishes.

Shall we?
Well, to quote a wise Gungan: 'Ouch time.'

Seriously, the sooner OL gets a voice back, the better... But that aside, this promises to be a very messy fight. The remaining Deep Sixers are basically immune to constructs, meaning OL's Construct Lanterns will have minimal effect, while their toughness means weapons will also be of limited effectiveness. OL might have to go for close assault assimilation, reputation damage bedamned.
 
That is the interesting part. If the Old God cells can casually ignore all of OL's defences, why didn't it rip through Roy's? Was he simply too insignificant, or is there something blindingly obvious OL ,missed?
As a totally clueless hunch, I think it's because Paul is almost sort of turning into a New God himself. Arsenal is not carting around the same sort of metaphysical weight Paul is getting from his weirdness, where his enlightenment can sometimes give off invispeech god stuff. Metaphysically, he's got just enough similarity, I believe, that the Old God aimed at New God / Apocalypse gets him in the splash zone of effects.
 
So I watched the Sandman a while back, and I've been meaning to ask this question (and forgetting to) - the Endless. "Is the reason things are different that Destruction didn't fuck off? Is that why Dream hasn't been replaced by Daniel Hall, despite Daniel being born?"

Not necessarily accurate guessing, but Destruction apparently is the Heart of the group, and Daniel's birth came about from Dream's capture and the Dream Vortex allowing Lyta's husband to slip into Dream from Death (meaning that it could still happen if Destruction was around, but that he could help Dream be a little more personable).

And let's be honest, Destruction's motivation for leaving - in a setting with Apokolips- is nigh-nonsensical, even in a 'straw that breaks the camel's back' way - especially if petty human stuff really is a side-gig to their main focus, as Paul guessed.
 

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