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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

How is assimilating an ally more of an option than temporarily joining with the snake? Never mind already going back to the High Father with somebody needs to be unassimilated It was very likely to get him to deny you.
Because joining with the Ophidian would weaken every Orange Lantern in the universe, including those actively fighting the Reach right now. Also, he's not completely sure that Superman couldn't still drain him like that, and he has no idea what that would do.
 
Okay, I have an idea: Why not just have your ring constantly make a deafening screech and also make you shine really brightly so that Clark won't be able to hear you or look at you?
 
Okay, I have an idea: Why not just have your ring constantly make a deafening screech and also make you shine really brightly so that Clark won't be able to hear you or look at you?
The sudden loud noise thing only works if he's not ready for it, and is actively trying to hear something quiet or see something a long way away. Otherwise he can just work through it.
 
I will say that at a point like this 'phone a friend' may be best, even if it's just a burst transmission to Batman, Constantine or Vril for a 'any ideas?' while in combat. He has done something like that during the assault on Themyscira and Johnny Sorrow with the Guardians for 'how do I stop reality warpers. Maybe a neural impactor would reset his brain? Magic Soul Split? Off load the 'solve the problem' thinking to someone else while he handles 'survive long enough to solve the problem' for the moment. At these combat speeds and the scale of destruction that can happen, he's splitting focus when he can't afford to. A full powered Combat Focused Kryptonian is something that the Guardians/Mathusians should have records on. And while Clark is a pillar of the super powered community on earth, he Isn't All Powerful in the greater scales.

Alternatively Just Call Conner, Match and the Supergirl Squad and fight Kryptonian with Kryptonians.
 
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I'm not familiar with it, so is this Torquemada thing (or whatever its name is) some magic BS that Kryptonians have at the same level of their biological BS powers? And the Eradicator program uploaded it into Kal-El? Or what is it?
 
I will say that at a point like this 'phone a friend' may be best, even if it's just a burst transmission to Batman, Constantine or Vril for a 'any ideas?' while in combat. He has done something like that during the assault on Themyscira and Johnny Sorrow with the Guardians for 'how do I stop reality warpers. Maybe a neural impactor would reset his brain? Magic Soul Split? Off load the 'solve the problem' thinking to someone else while he handles 'survive long enough to solve the problem' for the moment. At these combat speeds and the scale of destruction that can happen, he's splitting focus when he can't afford to. A full powered Combat Focused Kryptonian is something that the Guardians/Mathusians should have records on. And while Clark is a pillar of the super powered community on earth, he Isn't All Powerful in the greater scales.
Yes.
26th July 2013
23:33 GMT -5




Send alert right now.

Compliance.
I'm not familiar with it, so is this Torquemada thing (or whatever its name is) some magic BS that Kryptonians have at the same level of their biological BS powers? And the Eradicator program uploaded it into Kal-El? Or what is it?
Torquasm.

The basics were on the database that Jor-El provided him, and Karl Kant was able to explain it a bit better. The Eradicator doesn't have organic problems with controlling its thoughts, so removed some of his mental internal barriers.
 
The sudden loud noise thing only works if he's not ready for it, and is actively trying to hear something quiet or see something a long way away. Otherwise he can just work through it.

No, I don't mean it like that. I mean emit a sound frequency that can hurt his hearing so that he would get disoriented and unable to concentrate. We know that those can hurt kryptonians, so logically, it should hurt Clark too.
 
I'm not familiar with it, so is this Torquemada thing (or whatever its name is) some magic BS that Kryptonians have at the same level of their biological BS powers? And the Eradicator program uploaded it into Kal-El? Or what is it?

Or to give you an answer that doesn't come from a wiki for those who made stuff up about DC comics-

Torquasm Vo is an ancient Kryptonian martial art which is basically using self-hypnosis/meditation to alter one's own state of consciousness.

Superman once used it to combat a telepathic reality warper dream combat style (You know, combat by visualization like oh you visualized an army, I visualize a flood to sweep them all away, that sort of thing) and used it to plant an illusion in the Eradicator's head which Superman called "super-hypnotism."

Torquasm Rao is a supplementary style/offshoot that is physical which fills the user's meridians with energy.

Superman once used it to speed up his healing by channeling the energy of the universe through his body, which Kryptonians call Shreearr.

Practicing it gave Lois an out of body experience.

While not directly stated in Countdown Arena there was a Chris Kent that is likely a Torquasm practitioner or just an example of what a Kryptonian is capable of with sufficient martial arts training.

Chris could grow larger, change what energy he metabolized, manipulate heat vision like it's a physical construct, and effortlessly beat up two other Supermen at the same time and it was indicated that was hardly all he was capable of.
 
So... essentially, someone thought "you know how Superman (and Kryptonians in general) are so OP? And how he could do some wacky shit during the Golden Age? How about if there was a martial arts that could combine both?"

... cool.
 
If he can be taken from me in the name of expediency, who else is at risk? Might Zeus decide to send Diana to Tartarus? Might the Guardians decide to investigate Alan's elemental nature by dissecting him?
Hah! Just reread this and saw a plot hook that'd been planned like a decade in advance.
 
Cappare (part 22) New
26th July 2013
23:39 GMT -5

Armourkineticbarrierbackupgravityma-guuhg-hr!

I'm… Definitely speeding up my perception, because there's no way that I'd be seeing my own armour construct come apart quite this… Glacially, otherwise. Fragments of orange explode outwards from the point of impact, air wavy where the kinetic barrier tried and failed before the might of a kryptonian. My armour's just caving in-.

Oh. It's not the acceleration. It's the kinetic shield misfiring. Come on LexCorp people, you're getting a free shot-.

And there, they're taking it, but from the determined look on Kal-El's face it's not going to do me any good-.

No, he's distracted, and the hydra heads are still worrying him.

Feel their desires and

I'm out move more! Throw kinetic barrier generators around him! And open communications with the LexCorp power armour people!

Compliance.

Despite having a body fully enveloped in a zone where kinetic energy itself is messed up, he's still slowly turning to face me. And based on recent performance, I imagine that he'll find a way to bypass it very shortly.

"Lantern?"

And my own armour pierced my intestines, liver, stomach and lungs. Remove it, restore it… And restore me

"Indeed."

"Did you get him?"

I turn to the central suit of power armour, which is apparently being piloted by Mr. Beatty. "Oh heck no. I don't know how long we've got."

"What happened with him?"

"Got part of his brain overwritten by an ancient kryptonian A.I.. Is there actually a kryptonian ship down there?"

"That's proprietary-."

"Not the time!"

"Just a-. Yeah. The science team weren't completely sure it was kryptonian, but I guess now they are. How come the kryptonite isn't working?"

"You guys know he's been studying kryptonian martial arts?" The armour nods. "If he focuses really hard, he can alter how different wavelengths affect him."

"So he's immune to it?"

"So he can feed on it."

"You taught him that?"

"I helped him find a trainer-."

"So what can we do?"

"If I knew that, I'd be-." The effect of the overloaded kinetic barrier fades, and Superman turns to the remaining barriers around him. "I'd be doing it."

"Fuck."

Rather than do the stupid thing and try punching his way out, Kal-El just burns the generators out with flickers of heat vision. How-?

"I'll try eating his soul, you shoot him. Hopefully he can only handle one exotic-."

I put effort in this time, a vague blur of half-familiar drives swimming in my mind's eye. And other things, drives that I know full well aren't him and pull-

Warning! Energy drain detected!

-as hard as I can because-.

"Eh." Superman grunts as the plasma hits him, and-.

Ouwgh!

Agh! Ah-! Duh-!

Okay, ow.

I pick myself out of the trench I just gouged in the ground, armour… Scuffed but basically whole. I suppose he's not the only one whose concentration can be disrupted. The hydra heads are still attacking him, but they're doing basically nothing. In the distance I see Superman beating Mr. Beatty's suit around the helmet and chest plate. The personal shield is holding for the moment, but I need to get back there.

Right.

Pull.

And railgun… Crumbler rounds and f-.

Huh-?

I spin in the air, armour fracturing and upper left torso pulver-move!

Ah…

Ah..?

Superman rips off the front of my armour, left hand squeezing through my construct defences.

Warning! Energy drain detected!

Despite his burns, he doesn't seem… Angry. Just… Focused.

Ugh. Fine. Singularity-.

Warning! Low power!

Oh fuck.

"U-k-!"

And… That's my body. And-. Agh! Pff-! Ground-. Calltheringcallthering!

Right up the… Windpipe. Okay, I'm on low power so there's not much I can do regarding the fight, but if I-. Right. Deploy personal lantern-.

"Thank you."

Superman picks up my severed head in his left hand, his right wrapped around the handle of my personal lantern. My other ring is.. on the ground a little way away.

There's still… Not much going on with his facial expression.

"This will make restoring krypton much easier. Now I.. can…"

He winces, doubling over and dropping me to the floor. Ah, right… Second ring, move and.. touch it to the lantern.

Recharge!

A flash of glorious orange, and call it back to my.. mouth, fine, and float up

Grab my body while he's doing… I'm guessing that a telepath is taking a crack at him, good for them. Reattach, gold kryptonite and punch!

He falls to the ground, weakly shielding his face. "Wha-? What's-?"

Check his desires…

Back to.. normal? No idea how that happened, but I'm not going to complain.

I watch as the battered power armour suits approach. I could probably transition away, but those are light speed weapons. One twitch and things could go very wrong.

I'm going to try and work out how to persuade Lex not to shoot Superman while he's down.
 
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No, I don't mean it like that. I mean emit a sound frequency that can hurt his hearing so that he would get disoriented and unable to concentrate. We know that those can hurt kryptonians, so logically, it should hurt Clark too.
Because as I said, he could easily work through it. It's like if you were working and someone on the other side of the room started saying your name. You'd be distracted the first time but once you realised they were doing it to wind you up you'd learn to ignore it pretty quickly.
 
Because as I said, he could easily work through it. It's like if you were working and someone on the other side of the room started saying your name. You'd be distracted the first time but once you realised they were doing it to wind you up you'd learn to ignore it pretty quickly.

I'm talking about a sonic grenade that he wouldn't be able to ignore unless he turned off his hearing.
 
I'm talking about a sonic grenade that he wouldn't be able to ignore unless he turned off his hearing.
Superman has been routinely exposed to sonic weaponry, it only ever gives him a brief pause before he powers through it unless it catches him off-guard while he's focusing his super-hearing up to extremely sensitive levels.

It doesn't work bro, his hearing is adjustable, you can't just overwhelm him with loud noises, no matter how loud.


Hell some versions of Superman have gone and hung out inside the Sun, nothing anyone can produce on Earth will ever be even a tiny fraction as loud and disorienting as the insides of the Sun, and that doesn't bother him at all.
 
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"If I knew that, I'd be-." The affect of the overloaded kinetic barrier fades, and Superman turns to the remaining barriers around him. "I'd be doing it."
'effect'

Pretty cool fight. Is that the first time Oh El's been beheaded? I can't remember if it happened that time he got killed by angels.
 
I can't wait to see the massive mocking Orange Lantern gets now that he got his ass kicked by Superman.

Especially given the many many many times he's criticized Superman and others.
Eh. holding your own in a brawl for any length of time with supes is worthy of praise. If Paul had wanted to kill Supe's the could have, but there was always the implicit assumption that it's much harder to bring Supes back from the dead than Paul. Their win conditions are completely different.
 
I mean, this is an unexpected merciless kryptonian. I think the more serious member of the JL will know how hard an enemy that was.

I mean OL isnt even a Speedster! He just speed up his own perception and guess what action to do. And mostly, he can only defend himself. He cant even think of other things.
 
Eh. holding your own in a brawl for any length of time with supes is worthy of praise. If Paul had wanted to kill Supe's the could have, but there was always the implicit assumption that it's much harder to bring Supes back from the dead than Paul. Their win conditions are completely different.
Orange Lantern was trying to kill Supes.
"I'll try eating his soul, you shoot him. Hopefully he can only handle one exotic-."
 
26th July 2013
23:39 GMT -5


Armourkineticbarrierbackupgravityma-guuhg-hr!

I'm… Definitely speeding up my perception, because there's no way that I'd be seeing my own armour construct come apart quite this… Glacially, otherwise. Fragments of orange explode outwards from the point of impact, air wavy where the kinetic barrier tried and failed before the might of a kryptonian. My armour's just caving in-
Unfortunately, short of being the goddamn Flash there's no way to outspeed Kal-El. And as we're seeing, there's not really anything OL's got to stand up to him. Unfortunately, running isn't an option, as the Last Son is too fast for him to escape...

Oh. It's not the acceleration. It's the kinetic shield misfiring. Come on LexCorp people, you're getting a free shot-.

And there, they're taking it, but from the determined look on Kal-El's face it's not going to do me any good-.
They're just not a big enough threat to pull his attention of OL...

No, he's distracted, and the hydra heads are still worrying him.

Feel their desires and
Greediporting away? But in short range, since he doesn't have long enough to really ping anyone further.

I'm out move more! Throw kinetic barrier generators around him! And open communications with the LexCorp power armour people!

Compliance.
Great, that'll buy you a couple of seconds. Then what?

Despite having a body fully enveloped in a zone where kinetic energy itself is messed up, he's still slowly turning to face me. And based on recent performance, I imagine that he'll find a way to bypass it very shortly.

"Lantern?"
Much like that moment in Justice League. I don't even need to link it, you know the one...

And my own armour pierced my intestines, liver, stomach and lungs. Remove it, restore it… And restore me

"Indeed."
Hope you've got plenty of spare materials, OL, this could be an expensive fight.

"Did you get him?"

I turn to the central suit of power armour, which is apparently being piloted by Mr. Beatty. "Oh heck no. I don't know how long we've got."
He's got guts, if not smarts. Coming out in something that probably won't stand up to Superman for long even if he weren't supercharged.

"What happened with him?"

"Got part of his brain overwritten by an ancient kryptonian A.I.. Is there actually a kryptonian ship down there?"
Something which is hopefully only temporary.

"That's proprietary-."

"Not the time!"

"Just a-. Yeah. The science team weren't completely sure it was kryptonian, but I guess now they are. How come the kryptonite isn't working?"
It's big and made of crystals. Pretty safe bet, yeah?

"You guys know he's been studying kryptonian martial arts?" The armour nods. "If he focuses really hard, he can alter how different wavelengths affect him."

"So he's immune to it?"
Which means even red sunlight beams may not weaken him...

"So he can feed on it."

"You taught him that?"
Sadly, despite the similarities, it's not related to the Orange Light.

"I helped him find a trainer-."

"So what can we do?"
Are you flexible enough to bend over and kiss your ass goodbye? 😏

"If I knew that, I'd be-." The effect of the overloaded kinetic barrier fades, and Superman turns to the remaining barriers around him. "I'd be doing it."

"Fuck."
Yeah, that about sums it up.

Rather than do the stupid thing and try punching his way out, Kal-El just burns the generators out with flickers of heat vision. How-?

"I'll try eating his soul, you shoot him. Hopefully he can only handle one exotic-."
Hell of a thing to say, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

I put effort in this time, a vague blur of half-familiar drives swimming in my mind's eye. And other things, drives that I know full well aren't him and pull-

Warning! Energy drain detected!

-as hard as I can because-.
Trying to rip the Eradicator infusion out of his psyche? Risky, because doing so opens you up to his counterattack...

"Eh." Superman grunts as the plasma hits him, and-.

Ouwgh!
One punch, I bet.

Agh! Ah-! Duh-!

Okay, ow.
Yep. He's gonna feel that in the morning, no matter how much he heals himself.

I pick myself out of the trench I just gouged in the ground, armour… Scuffed but basically whole. I suppose he's not the only one whose concentration can be disrupted. The hydra heads are still attacking him, but they're doing basically nothing. In the distance I see Superman beating Mr. Beatty's suit around the helmet and chest plate. The personal shield is holding for the moment, but I need to get back there.
Huh, it's actually effective, at least for a few moments. I shudder for whatever splinter of reality is catching those hands, though.

Right.

Pull.

And railgun… Crumbler rounds and f-.
With any luck he might dislodge something, enough to let Clark fight his way back to control.

Huh-?

I spin in the air, armour fracturing and upper left torso pulver-move!
Casual backhand, huh?

Ah…

Ah..?

Superman rips off the front of my armour, left hand squeezing through my construct defences.
Oh, he's not going for the heart, then... He's spotted something more useful.

Warning! Energy drain detected!

Despite his burns, he doesn't seem… Angry. Just… Focused.
Given a bit of sunlight, it'll heal right up, after all.

Ugh. Fine. Singularity-.

Warning! Low power!

Oh fuck.
Quite possibly the last words you want to hear in a fight with a Kryptonian. And probably the last words you'd hear period.

"U-k-!"

And… That's my body. And-. Agh! Pff-! Ground-. Calltheringcallthering!
Oh, Supes went for the decapitation. Effective against most Lanterns, sure...

Right up the… Windpipe. Okay, I'm on low power so there's not much I can do regarding the fight, but if I-. Right. Deploy personal lantern-.

"Thank you."
And he caught both the Ring and the Lantern, didn't he?

Superman picks up my severed head in his left hand, his right wrapped around the handle of my personal lantern. My other ring is.. on the ground a little way away.

There's still… Not much going on with his facial expression.
It'd be funny if he couldn't work up the desire to activate it, but that's pretty unlikely. Probably keeping tight control to prevent overload.

"This will make restoring krypton much easier. Now I.. can…"

He winces, doubling over and dropping me to the floor. Ah, right… Second ring, move and.. touch it to the lantern.
Psychic attack while he was gloating? Well done, that telepath!

Recharge!

A flash of glorious orange, and call it back to my.. mouth, fine, and float up
So it's serving as a tongue ring of sorts for now. 😏

Grab my body while he's doing… I'm guessing that a telepath is taking a crack at him, good for them. Reattach, gold kryptonite and punch!

He falls to the ground, weakly shielding his face. "Wha-? What's-?"
Ah, good, Gold K can't be affected by his bullshit kung-fu. At least, not while he's distracted.

Check his desires…

Back to.. normal? No idea how that happened, but I'm not going to complain.
Okay, looks like between the Desire manipulation, the psychic feedback and the blatant defiance of his very nature, he's freed himself. Hopefully?🫣

I watch as the battered power armour suits approach. I could probably transition away, but those are light speed weapons. One twitch and things could go very wrong.

I'm going to try and work out how to persuade Lex not to shoot Superman while he's down.
Especially after he put in such a devastating show of what someone with those powers and without scruples can do...

Okay, looks like Clark managed to throw off the Eradicator programming. I think? Tearing someone he considers a (loose-ish) friend apart like that on top of the attacks OL was throwing at his psyche must have broken the control, surely. I am impressed at OL for managing to keep things together in that state long enough to pull himself together and take a hand in matters. And in the end, it came down to hitting him with a rock. 😄
 
No, just that I can't tell them apart in terms of what their affect is supposed to be.
According to a single solitary thread on Versus, Vo is the mental meditation theta wave technique that makes kryptonians resistant to mind control and reality warping and Rao is tai chi on steroids. It looks very much up to the author, though, considering that stupid aura armor that Supes recently did was a Vo technique.
 
Two things. Yes, Paul was decapitated before - against the angels, before he was cut into pieces and set on fire. He also had his arm cut off against the sheeda on Witch World; it's why he implanted a ring in his skull (before that immediately backfired).

Secondly, when discussing how Dox could custom him, Paul and Guy both noted that they (Paul and Guy) both could do the Malvolio thing and just have infinite charge in their rings, no lanterns necessary. I'm assuming that was forgotten, but in-universe, maybe there's a limitation to the technique? Because this doesn't make much sense otherwise.

It does make sense that, even though Paul did well against the whole league when mind controlled by Starro or when suddenly fighting them on Crime Syndicate Earth, that Superman is now giving him such trouble - not only has he not summoned the Ophidian, but Superman has gotten a lot stronger just from what little Torquasm Vo and Rao (like getting freeze breath) he learned from Overgirl, much less what he's learned after these months and what the Eradicator program put in his head. (Plus, on Crime-Syndicate Earth, the Superman there was weak to Kryptonite. Take that away with an environmental shield and radiation-devouring or alteration… and suddenly Paul's got a lot more trouble.)
 
I can't wait to see the massive mocking Orange Lantern gets now that he got his ass kicked by Superman.

Especially given the many many many times he's criticized Superman and others.
Oh, yeah. They're really going to make fun of Paul for nearly getting killed by a brainwashing victim that he would have held back against even if he tried going with some of his less powerful lethal options.

It's not like the guy he was fighting had new abilities that he previously lacked and a advanced computer in his brain.

And yeah, this was possibly one of the worst days Clark has had, right up there like the time he discovered he had a rape child made to kill him and the time the Light controlled him and the League, but why would that stop some asshole from making fun of it.
 
Secondly, when discussing how Dox could custom him, Paul and Guy both noted that they (Paul and Guy) both could do the Malvolio thing and just have infinite charge in their rings, no lanterns necessary. I'm assuming that was forgotten, but in-universe, maybe there's a limitation to the technique? Because this doesn't make much sense otherwise
If Zoat hasn't forgotten about that then it's possible that while Paul can recharge just by willing it, it may take time or he needs to meditate for it to work.

Both are things that he can't do in a fight with a Kryptonian that does not hold back.
 
Remove the [ in the sentence.
Thank you, corrected.
I'm talking about a sonic grenade that he wouldn't be able to ignore unless he turned off his hearing.
26th July 2013
23:37 GMT -5

...

I phase in and drop the gas, manifesting sonic cannon constructs as he turns back in surprise, hit him with ultra-high and ultra-low frequency sounds at the same time.
If Superman wasn't really good at ignoring sound, he wouldn't be able to function. In the films, remember what happened when Zod and Co. took off their armour? In the comics something similar happens to Preus, and Superman said that when he was a boy he had to stop going to church because he couldn't take that many people making noises around him.
Thank you, corrected.
 
He grins. "Second best Green Lantern, huh?"

"
I… Actually got around to watching Clarissi Dox fight a little while ago. You know how Lantern Kreon makes constructs that stay there for a second and then vanish because they've done what he needed them for?"

"Yeah?"
He looks mildly curious. "Dox does that?"

"
It doesn't even stick around for long enough for you to see it. I used to think that a fight between me and him would be a coin toss." I shake my head. "No. I thrash him in raw power, but it would not matter. And that trick Priest has of charging without a personal lantern, I can do that now."

"Yeah, me too. You know he told Hal that he'd need a couple centuries to get good enough to do that?"


I grin. "Optimistic, was he?"

Meditation makes sense - keeps them from having constant infinite charge, and it keeps the Personal Lanterns useful, whether in the middle of a fight or just as a time-saver.
 

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