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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

They didn't forgive Klarion, they allowed him to help take down someone worse. Beast Boy's trauma subplot was handled realistically, Emerald Empress, was only nonsensical because she's usually a separate character, and what they did with how Mary Marvel using magic to use Shazam powers in a different way was clever.

They're still treating Klarion as just another member of the group by the end, though. Zatanna should especially be angrier at Klarion, considering he's partly responsible for her father sacrificing himself to Nabu.

And no, Beast Boy's trauma subplot was not handled well at all. Beast Boy's storyline very frequently interfered with the season's plot and character development from other team members, his grumpy attitude and the ways most of the other heroes showed little concern for him made everyone look like assholes, its cause in Superboy's presumed death ended up being pointless with the reveal of the latter's survival, and the fact that Black Canary (who isn't even a qualified trauma counsellor or therapist, by the way) was the one to resolve this problem, rather than other people that were closer to Garfield, is just plain dumb. Garfield's attitude towards people genuinely trying to help him also comes off as excessively callous, with his dismissal and rudeness towards Perdita, M'gann and Robotman being especially grating, because they were all trying to be nice to him and had done nothing to deserve this treatment. Yes, Beast Boy is understandably sad, angry and depressed, but that doesn't give him a pass to act like a dick to everyone. Especially not to M'gann, the one person in the room who has just as much, if not more reason than Garfield to be depressed and angry at her partner's presumed death. Just saying, she's just as devasted by Superboy's presumed death as Garfield, but we don't see her act like a total bitch, now do we? Also, the ultimate payoff for the whole depression subplot is kind of lame. Garfield's recovery is shown in less detail than his downfall aside from his new therapy dog Wingman, he never joins the final battle against the forces of General Zod or meets Lor-Zod, and while he does mention Superboy being alive, we never get to see his reaction to Superboy's survival being shown onscreen, despite the fact that Superboy's "death" was the thing that pushed Garfield over the edge in the first place. Pointless and unsatisfying, if you ask me.

Also, the reason why I said the Emerald Empress plot was nonsense is that Ursa becoming the Emerald Empress, thanks to Lor-Zod randomly carrying the eye on him at the time from his earlier visit to Metron's vault, is baffling. For one thing, nothing up to that point suggested Ursa was worthy of the eye's power and the emerald trinket just happened to activate all by itself to bond with her (despite the fact that it was nowhere near her) just because she was getting agitated by Nightwing. Plus, even though it's supposed to obey her every command, the Eye forces Ursa out of the battlefield against her will when her husband loses their fight against the heroes.

Lastly, when it comes to Mary Marvel, I'm not opposed to the idea of her learning to use her powers in different ways, but the idea of presenting magic as a metaphor for drug addiction was really dumb. Especially because the show has gone out of its way to show magic as being cool and awesome, with most magic users suffering zero negative side-effects from repeated usage. Also, if Mary was really getting addicted to her magic and getting corrupted by it, then why didn't the Wizard notice it? Why didn't he just strip her of her powers? He's constantly monitoring his champions, after all. He would have definitely noticed something.
 
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Guess that means they never went with the angel kings for power sources.

Hope it didn't cause a theological crisis for Billy

They're still treating Klarion as just another member of the group by the end, though. Zatanna should especially be angrier at Klarion, considering he's partly responsible for her father sacrificing himself to Nabu.

And no, Beast Boy's trauma subplot was not handled well at all. Beast Boy's storyline very frequently interfered with the season's plot and character development from other team members, his grumpy attitude and the ways most of the other heroes showed little concern for him made everyone look like assholes, it's cause in Superboy's presumed death ended up being pointless with the reveal of the latter's survival, and the fact that Black Canary (who isn't even a qualified trauma counsellor or therapist, by the way) was the one to resolve this problem, rather than other people that were closer to Garfield, is just plain dumb. Garfield's attitude towards people genuinely trying to help him also comes off as excessively callous, with his dismissal and rudeness towards Perdita, M'gann and Robotman being especially grating, because they were all trying to be nice to him and had done nothing to deserve this treatment. Yes, Beast Boy is understandably sad, angry and depressed, but that doesn't give him a pass to act like a dick to everyone. Especially not to M'gann, the one person in the room who has just as much, if not more reason than Garfield to be depressed and angry at her partner's presumed death. Just saying, she's just as devasted by Superboy's presumed death as Garfield, but we don't see her act like a total bitch, now do we? Also, the ultimate payoff for the whole depression subplot is kind of lame. Garfield's recovery is shown in less detail than his downfall aside from his new therapy dog Wingman, he never joins the final battle against the forces of General Zod or meets Lor-Zod, and while he does mention Superboy being alive, we never get to see his reaction to Superboy's survival being shown onscreen, despite the fact that Superboy's "death" was the thing that pushed Garfield over the edge in the first place. Pointless and unsatisfying, if you ask me.

Also, the reason why I said the Emerald Empress plot was nonsense is that Ursa becoming the Emerald Empress, thanks to Lor-Zod randomly carrying the eye on him at the time from his earlier visit to Metron's vault, is baffling. For one thing, nothing up to that point suggested Ursa was worthy of the eye's power and the emerald trinket just happened to activate all by itself to bond with her (despite the fact that it was nowhere near her) just because she was getting agitated by Nightwing. Plus, even though it's supposed to obey her every command, the Eye forces Ursa out of the battlefield against her will when her husband loses their fight against the heroes.

Lastly, when it comes to Mary Marvel, I'm not opposed to the idea of her learning to use her powers in different ways, but the idea of presenting magic as a metaphor for drug addiction was really dumb. Especially because the show has gone out of its way to show magic as being cool and awesome, with most magic users suffering zero negative side-effects from repeated usage. Also, if Mary was really getting addicted to her magic and getting corrupted by it, then why didn't the Wizard notice it? Why didn't he just strip her of her powers? He's constantly monitoring his champions, after all. He would have definitely noticed something.

You know, it's funny, but I only watched the first episode or two of canon young justice, and now I'm happy about that.
 
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Guess that means they never went with the angel kings for power sources.

Hope it didn't cause a theological crisis for Billy
I mean...aside from Solomon all of Billy's patrons belong to pagan religions, so I doubt he'd care.

Though I think he was weirded out by the prospect of being a PR move by the Shinto gods.
 
Oh, you think that's dumb? Trust me, the show gets worse. How about the fact that they're bringing in stuff from Heroes In Crisis, one of the most hated comic book stories of the last decade or so?

Not dumb enough? Get this: The heroes basically forgave Klarion and actually made him a member of their magic squad in Season 4. This is in spite of the fact that he's showed virtually zero remorse for what he did back in Season one.

Still not doing it for you? How about all the other things they botched up in later seasons, like Beast Boy's trauma subplot, the nonsensical Emerald Empress, or how they portrayed the Powers of Shazam? I can do this all day.
I wish I could say that I'm surprised.
seconding this question. i don't think anyone has informed Zod of the discoveries so far. which then begs the question, does Zod know who/what the Dominators are? did Krypton have interactions with them? were they enemies/neutral (i can't imagine anyone being allies with the Dominators)?

i'm also curious as to what Amalak thinks about all of this. will he turn all of that righteous anger towards the Dominators once he gets fully informed? it would be nice to have someone doing some of OL's work for him on that front
Zod has heard of the Dominion. The Kryptonian Empire never had any direct contact with them, but officially considered them 'potentially problematic'. Zod doesn't know that the helpful alien who just gave him a sunstone was a dominator.
You know, it's funny, but I only watched the first episode or two of canon young justice, and now I'm happy about that.
Series 1 and 2 are pretty good, the occasional oddity aside.
 

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