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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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xSieg said:
Not that I don't understand Paul's hesitance in giving Bruceman basically absolute legal power but I'm really struggling to see this as such an emergency as Anarky put it.

Hell, Nabu already did the "imprisoning people with no due process" and the League didn't exactly give much of a shit. This just feels like a formality ratifying that the League will operate however they want, as they always have.
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"We can do whatever we want" based on societal acceptance of the legitimacy of the righteous is different from "we can do whatever we want" enshrined in law.
 
Ngamer11 said:
I thought he already changed his name to Red Star because an analysis found people liked that name better?
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Duke Long said:
'Justice League'?
'of'
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Thank you, corrected.
Agumentic said:
"We can do whatever we want" based on societal acceptance of the legitimacy of the righteous is different from "we can do whatever we want" enshrined in law.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq6nBigMnlg
 
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Lord Ernest said:
Isn't all of this stuff that the Justice League already does or would do if the situation asked for it? It feels like just putting it on paper, so everyone knows that the League actually does that kind of stuff if or when needed, rather than it happening anyway but in secret or close to secretly.

In fact, wouldn't the Illustres do this kind of stuff as well? Am I missing something?
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As mentioned, there's a big difference between things being de facto and things being de jure. The act of putting it on paper is a huge escalation from "we'll do it quietly".

In a nutshell: it's the difference between the Justice League and the Justice Lords.
 
BR549 said:
As mentioned, there's a big difference between things being de facto and things being de jure. The act of putting it on paper is a huge escalation from "we'll do it quietly".

In a nutshell: it's the difference between the Justice League and the Justice Lords.
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Interestingly, Paul never met the Earth 50 Justice Lords. Only Renegrayven did. Paul met the proper Earth 12 Justice League when he and Zatanna were messing around on Earth -14.

Maybe it's time to change that?
 
There have been a lot of DC alternate universes where Superman leads the Justice League in taking over the world, but none that I can recall where Batman is the instigator. In fact Batman is usually either a resister or the first to be talked down and turn on the new order.

In which case Zoat is breaking new ground, good show. We know Batman was greatly affected by his experience with both the anti-life and the brain alterations. We know that since then he's been using a fear power ring completely unsupervised and that those can affect the mind. We know that these days Batman and Mr. Atom (who would be the last person to oppose taking over the world) have been running the League, with everyone going where they say to go and doing what they say needs done.

In retrospect the reason Batman told Paul not to talk about the Justice League taking over the world is he didn't want OL warning anyone. Look how slick he's been. Even many readers in this thread are going, "Oh but is it really so unreasonable?" Well let me ask a question, who is "the Justice League"? Is anyone the Justice League gives an order to acting under the Justice League's authority? Superman can change any zoning law he wants is one thing. Batman appoints ten thousand people as Justice League associates to go out and change zoning laws is another.

And to an extent this is Paul's fault. He knows what power rings can do to people. He's had to corral many OL corps members driven mad by their rings. But out of guilt he couldn't bring himself to check on Batman or at least be forceful in demanding someone else check on him. A very understandable and human mistake but a mistake.

Heh. It's funny. Batman always resists personal empowerment so hard, won't take physical enhancement and will only use power armor when necessary. Here he finally took up a power ring, and who knows how dangerous it has made him. The fact that he hasn't been showy with it just means he's been using it to do all the subtle things a power ring can do.
 
.... Also which Supergirl is Supergirl III?

1 is Silver Age Kara, 2 is Noriel/Linda Danvers, 3 is the Local Earth 16 Kara if I understand it correctly? I thought Earth 16 Kara wasn't interested in being a superhero?
 
Wheenesss said:
.... Also which Supergirl is Supergirl III?

1 is Silver Age Kara, 2 is Noriel/Linda Danvers, 3 is the Local Earth 16 Kara if I understand it correctly? I thought Earth 16 Kara wasn't interested in being a superhero?
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Kara Zor-El is Supergirl I. Noriel/Linda Danvers is Supergirl II. Kara Zor-L is Supergirl III. It's based on who showed up first.
 
Agumentic said:
"We can do whatever we want" based on societal acceptance of the legitimacy of the righteous is different from "we can do whatever we want" enshrined in law.
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I mean, yeah, if you're talking about governance.

The League were given de facto legal powers because no one is willing to prosecute them for their illegal good deeds, right? Their good PR comes from the fact that the government organizations know that they're righteous face punchers foremost and not political agents. So Batman making a powergrab using that reputation is scummy and should in fact be noted, but I don't really feel like it's urgent.

Let's say that this passes and the League is given de jure powers now. What does that actually change, in practical terms, for Batman? If he were to perhaps imprison someone without a trial he wouldn't need to suffer government reprisal... or maybe he could use it to covertly subvert his political opponents in various countries by vanishing them without due process. But these were all things he could in fact do with no political power whatsoever had he wanted to. What could the UN do to stop it? Storm the watchtower? They'd need to rely on the Justice League to stop a rogue JL member just the same, who are all righteous face punchers and not restricted by a new legal charter.

The only advantage I can kind of see Batman having with real authority on the JL is maybe pulling the official GLs off him because of the non-interference clause on the rings? Everything else is basically worthless because the League is the only political organization that has any hope of stopping him in any way. And they can't read, in general.
 
NightmareWarden said:
It doesn't even look cool! Absolutely no thought was put into that HQ.
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Oh, it gets worse. This is supposedly in Chicago. There are no suspension bridges in Chicago except a single-cable pedestrian bridge, and there isn't even anywhere you could put one over water. The river isn't wide enough (many bridges but almost everything is a steel truss drawbridge) and crossing Lake Michigan is both beyond human engineering capabilities and bloody stupid to try even if it's within superhuman capabilities.

The only place to put a suspension bridge in Chicago would be as an overpass.
 
Mr Zoat said:
27th August 2012
00:19 GMT

"Four Green, one Blue, one Violet and one-" I spread my arms slightly. "-Orange. In this parallel; I've met alternate versions of myself with every colour."
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Did he actually meet a violet lantern version? I think he just sort of saw that there was some violet rings at the krona fight, but at least on screen don't think he ever stopped and talked to one.
Mr Zoat said:
10th July 2013
06:32 GMT

That is not the legislation that was in the draft paper.
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Do wonder how much this is a mess that arose from the sapient rights act and the like - if there's anyone justifying this I'd have to assume it's because they want to make sure that e.g. demons are emphatically dealt with and that if they need for everyone to not have rights to do that before the league then they have to do that.
It's also just... goodness. Not having rules for regaining regularity seems silly, and frankly by now I do think that it'd likely be practical enough to stop them from doing torturey things given the acessibility of magic and/or telepathic options.
I get the appeal of this, but at the very least there should be some sort of review system or more integration - even just some data sharing could really help.
And the league is still run on the unamity model, right? I can't imagine that Doctor Mist is exactly okay with this.
Incidentally, I wonder if the forge gods can work with Dilusteel - feels like there ought to be a lot of things possible with that.
 
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Jirachi said:
I can't imagine that Doctor Mist is exactly okay with this.
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I fully expect Mist to resign in protest, but part of the cleverness of Batman's scheme is that it can't be blocked by the unanimity rules because it's not something that the League is doing. It's the governments of the world that are passing this legislation. The League could vote, "we don't think that the governments should pass these bills" and so what, they do it anyway.

Anyway, this is Zoat trying to write the scheme of a person much smarter than he the author is, so I have a lot of allowance for, "Batman thought of that and figured out how to deal with it".
 
The moment this passes is the moment the Brother Eye robots come out and start enforcing things.
 
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