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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I'm guessing they dated but it didn't work out. Plus, Tamaran is more Captain Comet's home now than Earth.

Yes, but in this chapter they talk like this is the first time they've seen each other since the burning of the Wombworld. Hell, Captain Comet talks about how far human science has developed "since he left Earth" which only makes sense if he's talking about when he left in the 1950s or whenever it was.
 
Yes, but in this chapter they talk like this is the first time they've seen each other since the burning of the Wombworld. Hell, Captain Comet talks about how far human science has developed "since he left Earth" which only makes sense if he's talking about when he left in the 1950s or whenever it was.
They're referencing that event, nothing said makes it seem that was the last time they saw each other. And Captain Comet is probably still getting used to the fact that Earth's tech isn't as he remembered it. It may take some time before he's normalized Earth's current tech level rather than subconsciously thinking it's the same as when he left.
 
They're referencing that event, nothing said makes it seem that was the last time they saw each other. And Captain Comet is probably still getting used to the fact that Earth's tech isn't as he remembered it. It may take some time before he's normalized Earth's current tech level rather than subconsciously thinking it's the same as when he left.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it feels very weird that no mention is made of Paul and Adam's interactions since the burning of the Wombworld (which also isn't used by name here, which is also odd). They discuss the fact that Adam can't understand Paul's mind very well, something that they've brought up before, with not indication that this is ground they've trod before. "I wasn't sure that you'd be coming back" is a strange thing to say when Paul has already turned up to ask Adam for help recently (to deal with the Computer Tyrants of Colu) but would make more sense if they've not seen each other since Adam gave Paul the runaround before the Vegan powers burned the Wombworld.

Then Adam automatically jumps to guessing that there's a problem with Earth, not that there's some kind of telepathic problem that Paul wants help with like freeing the Coluans. Like I said, there's not mention of Blake and Hera's relationship, despite the fact that last time we heard from them (which was only a couple of months before the Anti-Life hit, during the whole business with dethroning Zeus) Hera seemed to be getting along rather well with him. If they didn't work out and Adam came back to Tamaran, he doesn't bring up how lucky that timing was that he missed the Anti-Life. There's also no mention of Adam's possible involvement with Paul's Earth-uplifting project, something Paul was trying to get him on board for. Even if Adam didn't end up being involved you'd think that Paul would mention it, at least to make it clear that Adam's help is actually needed now instead of it just being useful!

There's no one thing I can point to that's a continuity break. But I reread this whole fic recently and this chapter feels very odd given how the relationship between Paul and Adam has developed, either not mentioning things they did together or framing their discussions like those events didn't happen.

This is just my opinion, but one of the things I like about this fic is how it maintains a strong sense of continuity and events continuing to have affects, and this chapter felt very below average at doing that.
 
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This is just my opinion, but one of the things I like about this fic is how it maintains a strong sense of continuity and events continuing to have affects, and this chapter felt very below average at doing that
The problem is that this fic has been going in for over a decade and there's a lot of characters, scenes and events in it, and Zoat sometimes forgets about them.
 
The problem is that this fic has been going in for over a decade and there's a lot of characters, scenes and events in it, and Zoat sometimes forgets about them.
Basically this. Sorry about that, but I'd forgotten about both the dating and the Computer Tyrants. I still don't remember the Computer Tyrants thing. I'll tyr and bring up the date in tomorow's segment/
 
Brother Eye always goes rogue.

You mean the same way that Ranx always joins the Sinestro Corps? The same way that Batman would never let someone get away with killing people and still remain on a JLA-affiliated organization? The same way that Poison Ivy would never get depowered by Swamp Thing? The same way that Nabu is always good and never gets destroyed? The same way that the speed formula that gave Jay Garrick his powers was never replicated and distributed anywhere?

Because all of those above conventions have been defied here, despite the fact that in canon, these rules and events are almost always constant in almost every continuity, because status quo and all that.

But remember, the status quo does not truly exist in this universe, and there's no telling what convention Zoat will break next. Do you really think he would be above making a continuity where Brother Eye does not turn evil? He's already shown that he's perfectly fine with breaking the canon, so who knows what he'll do next?

Take your bets, folks - is Paul going to be normal, or is he about to uncover something weird and dangerous that will distract him for a while?

That's a sucker's bet. We all know Paul is already distracted.
 
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Basically this. Sorry about that, but I'd forgotten about both the dating and the Computer Tyrants. I still don't remember the Computer Tyrants thing. I'll tyr and bring up the date in tomorow's segment/

Sorry if I was a bit harsh in how I brought it up. I really do appreciate this story, and I can understand that with how long it is (it must be pushing 6 million words by now, right?) that you'd forget things. The events with the Computer Tyrants happened in Episode 106: Back Seat (which was also the episode where Paul revealed that Karmang was White to the Martian populace and caused the collapse of their caste system).
 
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Once again, feels like Brother Eye is being ignored. The SI is well aware of the comics storyline where Batman builds the AI, and then the AI goes crazy/evil and starts trying to kill everyone. Yet everyone talks about Batman and never about this AI, which can act independently and might have its own plans and goals.
Do you think the egg could reassemble itself into an eyeball-body for the AI?
 
And That's Okay (part 19) New
21st July 2013
13:37 GMT


…and again I see the clear shape of a psion's malicious desires, to harm and kill to see if things bleed and die.

I raise my right hand to my ear. "I've found another patch. Not completely sure what it's supposed to do. Do you want me to store it or just destroy it?"

"While I'm loath to turn down an intellectual challenge, we intend to begin resettling that continent later this year. And I don't believe that psion biotechnology is the sort of thing Tamaran needs."

I nod, then make a construct to scoop the offending earth out of the ground. It's not.. particularly deep, but I've really got no idea if this was left here by a landing party, loaded into a shell and shot down here, or flat out teleported. I can't scan it properly so I can't entirely predict its behaviour-

I look towards Liot'r and accelerate, bending space around me.

-but I've yet to see a microbe that can survive the interior of a sun. I am however careful to keep it contained within the soil I took out with it because I am aware of psion technology that interacts with constructs.

And release, and

step out, using my own desire to help as a

path back to where I came from.

Anything else?

I'm not sure whether the Tamaraneans would consider the ruins their forebears were forced to abandon inspiring or depressing. They're not really in any fit state to be repaired… Adam didn't mention removing them, so I suppose that they can stay. They could be a source of building materials if nothing else. Looks like either Adam or the princesses removed the weapon fragments. They didn't remove the chemical residues or impact craters, but maybe they've got plans for those.

"I can't see anything else in the same class. Do you want me to do any landscaping, or ploughing, or any other work?"

"No, you've done more than enough."

"It doesn't feel like it."

"Paul, if I'd made you aware of the problem without you owing me anything, what would you have done?"

"Fixed it. That's what I do."

"Without expecting anything in return?"

"What I get in return is a better functioning universe. I'd.. hope that Tamaran might be more receptive to offers of cooperation later, but it wouldn't be a quid pro quo."

"I do care about what happens to Earth. And without you, we wouldn't have found the psions' trap. It would have triggered when that area was settled. Even if it doesn't seem like much to you… Even if it wasn't much work for you, you've done the people of this world a great deal of good."

"I suppose you're right. So there's nothing more for me to do here?"

"There is one thing I think you should take a look at. Do you see the mountains near the desert?"

I orientate myself… South, I suppose it would be? "Yes."

"Do you see the two-peaked one? Head for the valley between them."

"Alright."

I could just transition there, but he said 'fly'. I generate thruster constructs and power across the landscape, taking the time to look around as I do so. Over the ocean I can just about make out the city of Yeebata, and the tiny flecks of transport aircraft. That makes me smile; to see that they've rebuilt to maintain that sort of industry. And that they've got something worth transporting. The greenery of this continent… Some of it's pleasant to look at, the forests which the gordanians didn't have the patience to bombard completely flat have been busy recovering, and the long-standing trees tower proudly over the more recent growth.

"How did it go with you and Queen Hera?"

"She is good company, but… Understandably, she wanted more time than I could afford to spend on Earth. Perhaps once my project here is complete we could try again."

But away from that… I can see the contours of the craters, the areas where the energy released by the strikes burned the land too badly for any new growth to have taken place.

And just for a moment I look to the sky, towards the planet where I put the survivors from amongst the people who did it.

No. No.

And then I thrust upwards, rising over the mountain-. I can see where an orbital strike liquefied one face, the glitter of crystallised minerals making it stand out. It looks a little like ice, but it's the wrong climate for that. It actually makes me think of the episode of Andromeda where the crew laughed at the idea of a giant monster attacking a planet… Right up to the point where they arrived in orbit and saw the bite marks.

Above me, a little to the left of where I was looking, I can see the lights of a Tamaranean defence squadron. I haven't really-. I haven't at all kept up with their military reconstruction. I mean, since there isn't anything left in Vega with a fleet that isn't allied to them, it's a bit superfluous-.

I glance down at the craters again.

No, it isn't.

And… The mountain's beneath me.

"Alright, I'm here. What am I looking for?"

"Do you see the valley between the peaks?"

I drop down a little. "Yes."

"Go to the highest part of the valley. Look for an artificial structure."

I frown, but follow his instruction. I suppose that for Tamaraneans, getting up a mountain wouldn't be hard"I don't see-. Oh."

A few paths, stone benches, and…

"I'm afraid all the plants are dead."

I land, looking around. This area wouldn't get much rain, if any. And with the Tamaraneans captured, dead or fled, there wasn't anyone to provide them with water.

"I know. The garden was created by a woman named Saray'n. The local town used it to train the children how to fly; they'd get a bucket each and get told to take it up there."

"Do you want me to clean it up? I could build a water transmutation-."

"No."

"I'll warn you now, I'm not good at implicit lessons."

"The Tamaraneans could have supplied it before the plants died. It would involve a two-day journey and it would need to be done constantly, but that garden is semi-famous on Tamaran."

"While the gordanians were shooting at them? It-." Ah. "It wouldn't be worth it."

"It wasn't. So that part of their history passes into history, because it wasn't worth the blood and sweat to maintain. The community that built it doesn't exist any more, and I doubt that whoever settles the area will have the same attachment to it. I have a plan for you where you save as much as you can, and my best analysis of Batman's action. But I also have one where you don't save Earth's civilisation. And I think that in the long run that one may be better."

"I will leave the decision up to you."
 
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I'm not sure whether the Tamaranians would consider the ruins their forebears were forced to abandon inspiring or depressing. They're not really in any fit state to be repaired… Adam didn't mention removing them, so I suppose that they can stay. They could be a source of building materials if nothing else. Looks like either Adam or the princesses removed the weapon fragments. They didn't remove the chemical residues or impact craters, but maybe they've got plans for those.
Above me, a little to the left of where I was looking, I can see the lights of a Tamaranian defence squadron. I haven't really-. I haven't at all kept up with their military reconstruction. I mean, since there isn't anything left in Vega with a fleet that isn't allied to them, it's a bit superfluous-.
I frown, but follow his instruction. I suppose that for Tamaranians, getting up a mountain wouldn't be hard"I don't see-. Oh."

A few paths, stone benches, and…

"I'm afraid all the plants are dead."

I land, looking around. This area wouldn't get much rain, if any. And with the Tamaranians captured, dead or fled, there wasn't anyone to provide them with water.
"The Tamaranians could have supplied it before the plants died. It would involve a two-day journey and it would need to be done constantly, but that garden is semi-famous on Tamaran."
Those should say 'Tamaranean' or 'Tamaraneans'.

"It wasn't. So that part of their history passes into history, because it wasn't worth the blood and sweat to maintain. The community that built it doesn't exist any more, and I doubt that whoever settles the area will have the same attachment to it. I have a plan for you where you save as much as you can, and my best analysis of Batman's action. But I also have one where you don't save Earth's civilisation. And I think that in the long run that one may be better."

"I will leave the decision up to you."
This sounds very ominous. I really want to know what these plans are.
 
"It wasn't. So that part of their history passes into history, because it wasn't worth the blood and sweat to maintain. The community that built it doesn't exist any more, and I doubt that whoever settles the area will have the same attachment to it. I have a plan for you where you save as much as you can, and my best analysis of Batman's action. But I also have one where you don't save Earth's civilisation. And I think that in the long run that one may be better."

"I will leave the decision up to you."
Oh fascinating. A route that leads to civilizational collapse, but is better in the long run? I'm also unsure if the League would support Paul on such a plan. Or it might split the League, I guess?
 
"It wasn't. So that part of their history passes into history, because it wasn't worth the blood and sweat to maintain. The community that built it doesn't exist any more, and I doubt that whoever settles the area will have the same attachment to it. I have a plan for you where you save as much as you can, and my best analysis of Batman's action. But I also have one where you don't save Earth's civilisation. And I think that in the long run that one may be better."

"I will leave the decision up to you."

Ah, nice.

Looks like both Paul and I fell into the Superhero Mindset trap of wanting to not only maintain but restore the status quo long after it's already dead and gone.

Hope he goes with option 2.
 
We forget this but ultimately catastrophes like the Black Death, Napoleonic Wars and etc were ultimately beneficial for the human species in the long run while be devastating in the short.

Maybe a metahuman aristocracy could have some interesting long term gains for humanity, god king Batman would definitely achieve some degree of good for the species, even if thats done with questionable morals.
 
21st July 2013
13:37 GMT


…and again I see the clear shape of a psion's malicious desires, to harm and kill to see if things bleed and die.

I raise my right hand to my ear. "I've found another patch. Not completely sure what it's supposed to do. Do you want me to store it or just destroy it?"
Ah, a few spiteful booby-traps left behind when they abandoned the planet. The interplanetary equivalent of 'forgetting' to collect the landmines you placed when you leave a region. And it would probably be worse results for the Tamaraneans if they triggered them.

"While I'm loath to turn down an intellectual challenge, we intend to begin resettling that continent later this year. And I don't believe that psions biotechnology is the sort of thing Tamaran needs."

I nod, then just a construct to scoop the offending earth out of the ground. It's not.. particularly deep, but I've really got no idea if this was left here by a landing party, loaded into a shell and shot down here, or flat out teleported. I can't scan it properly so I can't entirely predict its behaviour-
And safest to remove it with its surrounding material in place, rather than risk poking it and causing it to detonate now.

I look towards Liot'r and accelerate, bending space around me.

-but I've yet to see a microbe that can survive the interior of a sun. I am however careful to keep it contained within the soil I took out with it because I am aware of psion technology that interacts with constructs.
Heh. The classic superhero method of 'toss it into the sun.' And yes, there's not much that can survive a nuclear furnace that large.

And release, and

step out, using my own desire to help as a

path back to where I came from.

Anything else?
Heh, that's a helpful trick to have.

I'm not sure whether the Tamaranians would consider the ruins their forebears were forced to abandon inspiring or depressing. They're not really in any fit state to be repaired… Adam didn't mention removing them, so I suppose that they can stay. They could be a source of building materials if nothing else. Looks like either Adam or the princesses removed the weapon fragments. They didn't remove the chemical residues or impact craters, but maybe they've got plans for those.
Likely letting the Tamareans colonising the area handle that. So that they can keep it all intact or cleanse it as desired.

"I can't see anything else in the same class. Do you want me to do any landscaping, or ploughing, or any other work?"

"No, you've done more than enough."
Besides, he's probably finished his analysis by now.

"It doesn't feel like it."

"Paul, if I'd made you aware of the problem without you owing me anything, what would you have done?"
Well, OL is an inveterate meddler. He'd likely have checked to see if anyone was doing anything, and then fixed it himself.

"Fixed it. That's what I do."

"Without expecting anything in return?"
Sometimes it's not about the obvious rewards. For some guys, doing good feels good.

"What I get in return is a better functioning universe. I'd.. hope that Tamaran might be more receptive to offers of cooperation later, but it wouldn't be a quid pro quo."

"I do care about what happens to Earth. And without you, we wouldn't have found the psions' trap. It would have triggered when that area was settled. Even if it doesn't seem like much to you… Even if it wasn't much work for you, you've done the people of this world a great deal of good."
Eh, that's a Superhero's job, isn't it? Do good without expectation of reward or prestige.

"I suppose you're right. So there's nothing more for me to do here?"

"There is one thing I think you should take a look at. Do you see the mountains near the desert?"

I orientate myself… South, I suppose it would be? "Yes."
I'm guessing not critical reconstruction, but some manner of object lesson.

"Do you see the two-peaked one? Head for the valley between them."

"Alright."
Fortunate that it looks like he described from that location. Some manner of local landmark, I take it.

I could just transition there, but he said 'fly'. I generate thruster constructs and power across the landscape, taking the time to look around as I do so. Over the ocean I can just about make out the city of Yeebata, and the tiny flecks of transport aircraft. That makes me smile; to see that they've rebuilt to maintain that sort of industry. And that they've got something worth transporting. The greenery of this continent… Some of it's pleasant to look at, the forests which the gordanians didn't have the patience to bombard completely flat have been busy recovering, and the long-standing trees tower proudly over the more recent growth.
Nature survives, given half a chance. Earth has had moments of annihilation like that and lived on. It's no surprise other worlds an do the same.

"How did it go with you and Queen Hera?"

"She is good company, but… Understandably, she wanted more time than I could afford to spend on Earth. Perhaps once my project here is complete we could try again."
Aw. Let's hope that happens soon, then, assuming she hasn't found someone else for the moment.

But away from that… I can see the contours of the craters, the areas where the energy released by the strikes burned the land too badly for any new growth to have taken place.

And just for a moment I look to the sky, towards the planet where I put the survivors from amongst the people who did it.

No. No.
Even that, in time will pass. The craters will get new topsoil blowing in, new growth will form, and eventually, only some oddly round lakes will hint they were ever there.

And then I thrust upwards, rising over the mountain-. I can see where an orbital strike liquefied one face, the glitter of crystallised minerals making it stand out. It looks a little like ice, but it's the wrong climate for that. It actually makes me think of the episode of Andromeda where the crew laughed at the idea of a giant monster attacking a planet… Right up to the point where they arrived in orbit and saw the bite marks.
Better than a mouth the size of India. Puts me in mind of 'Breath of the Wild's ancient Hyrule, and the scars of the ancient wars against Calamity. A giant, torn rip in the land, a mountain with a round hole blown through part of it... Clear signs of shit going down on a grand scale...

Above me, a little to the left of where I was looking, I can see the lights of a Tamaranian defence squadron. I haven't really-. I haven't at all kept up with their military reconstruction. I mean, since there isn't anything left in Vega with a fleet that isn't allied to them, it's a bit superfluous-.
Still, better to have when it's needed, than to need it and go wanting.

I glance down at the craters again.

No, it isn't.
Yup. The scars will exist for centuries, millennia even, both on the world and the people.

And… The mountain's beneath me.

"Alright, I'm here. What am I looking for?"

"Do you see the valley between the peaks?"
They're not called the 'Mounds of X'Hal' or something like that, are they?

I drop down a little. "Yes."

"Go to the highest part of the valley. Look for an artificial structure."
Feels like following random walkthrough instructions, working blind with no visual clues.

I frown, but follow his instruction. I suppose that for Tamaranians, getting up a mountain wouldn't be hard"I don't see-. Oh."

A few paths, stone benches, and…

"I'm afraid all the plants are dead."
That's probably easily fixed, with a little effort.

I land, looking around. This area wouldn't get much rain, if any. And with the Tamaranians captured, dead or fled, there wasn't anyone to provide them with water.

"I know. The garden was created by a woman named Saray'n. The local town used it to train the children how to fly; they'd get a bucket each and get told to take it up there."
...Ah. I suppose that's as pleasant a way to teach them as anything. And get them doing a useful task while they do it. And a pleasant view at the end to appreciate.

"Do you want me to clean it up. I could build a water transmutation-."

"No."

"I'll warn you now, I'm not good at implicit lessons."
Yeah, much better to make any lesson clear and blatant.

"The Tamaranians could have supplied it before the plants died. It would involve a two-day journey and it would need to be done constantly, but that garden is semi-famous on Tamaran."

"While the gordanians were shooting at them? It-." Ah. "It wouldn't be worth it."
And therein lays the lesson, I think. Little point holding to old traditions in trying times.

"It wasn't. So that part of their history passes into history, because it wasn't worth the blood and sweat to maintain. The community that built it doesn't exist any more, and I doubt that whoever settles the area will have the same attachment to it. I have a plan for you where you save as much as you can, and my best analysis of Batman's action. But I also have one where you don't save Earth's civilisation. And I think that in the long run that one may be better."

"I will leave the decision up to you."
...Ah. The hard option, or the easy one. Hold to the status quo and the old ways, or build new ones that can survive the next apocalypse...

The question will be whether anyone else would consider the 'pull it all down and build a new world' plan. I suspect Adam could manage that level of radical change because he doesn't have the same attachment to the old. Most people aren't that dedicated to a cause, and would prefer the old comforts they've been clinging to... It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
I suppose one extra factor to consider is that a lot of the magic systems rely on old traditions. Many of those will still work for a while, but is it worth the risk of upending that underlying system?
 
Basically this. Sorry about that, but I'd forgotten about both the dating and the Computer Tyrants. I still don't remember the Computer Tyrants thing. I'll tyr and bring up the date in tomorow's segment/

How would you feel about a youtube series with someone recapping episodes of With This Ring, similar to the style of Comicstorian/Comics Explained? It's an idea I've been mulling for a while.
 
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where do you start reading this story? in terms of threads and such because its all rather confusing to me
 
i mean the beginning of the latest version of the story because it seems to have been revised
The story hasn't really been revised. About... Three? Sub-par segments have been changed, but that's about it. The improvements have just been spelling and grammar corrections.

The Story Only thread on QQ is the most up to date version available, but it's not that different from going to Thread One and starting from there.
How would you feel about a youtube series with someone recapping episodes of With This Ring, similar to the style of Comicstorian/Comics Explained? It's an idea I've been mulling for a while.
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We forget this but ultimately catastrophes like the Black Death, Napoleonic Wars and etc were ultimately beneficial for the human species in the long run while be devastating in the short.
Are you implying that even if you could have prevented it, you would have allowed the Black Death to happen if you knew the long-term results would be beneficial?
 
But I also have one where you don't save Earth's civilisation. And I think that in the long run that one may be better."

Someone pick up that phone, because I called it. I knew that if OL consulted his alien geniuses and mad scientists (Blake is surely some blend of the two if technically neither), they'd tell him to just not try to save everything.

Though I don't know if it's really up to OL. It's not like Batman is going to pull back just because he (or Captain Comet) says so.
 

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