With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Darko]

Also, as The Froggy Ninja mentioned above; Lantern Son of Great Mother is a thing, and his entire shtick is that he wants someone to assign him mindless repetitive tasks for the rest of forever, which is fundamentally a desire for obedience

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Don't forget that slave Paul met in Vega.

She just wanted to follow someone and be obedient to them.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Tried to close a bold tag instead of italics here

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"father's"
"country"

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Thank you, corrected.

Huh. I wonder why the other nations never moved to stop them.

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I don't think I can answer this without [Modern Politics], but whatever country you just thought of, it's probably the same reason.

Not sure this quite lines up with the last time it was discussed:

Could be explained by the priesthood of the planet explicitly not teaching their women what the actual laws and rights were?

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I'll change it. They don't have legal divorce, but they do have de facto divorce.

 

[Darko]

Huh. I wonder why the other nations never moved to stop them. Fear of their 'god' maybe? Perhaps someone tried and an example was made...

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Jade's roommate on Maltus was from the planet with the eye god.

Though she was from a country that didn't worship the eye god.

She told Paul that the other governments on the planet wanted to stop the eye gouging, but the number of lives that would be lost in the war that would be required to make it happen were just too great for them to actually do it.

 

[LZB1285]

He didn't have having his eyes gouged out hanging over him for his entire childhood.

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Should this be "like having"?

 

[Mr Zoat]

Should this be "like having"?

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No. If you prefer, 'he didn't have the prospect of having his eyes gouged out'.

 

[boo600]

…I thought the whole planet worshipped the Eye-god? Dox didn't say "you've started a war no one else wanted," he said that there would be planet-wide unrest because the whole place depended on the Eye-Gouging God Religion for social order - it was woven into everyday life, like Christianity and Islam are for much of Earth. What is this about other nations and war? Does Taranna mean that other nations have aids for blind men, or that some sections of the planet allowed their blinded woman aids, meaning that she's from an extremely repressive part of an already extremely repressive planet? What's going on, here?

 

[Mr Zoat]

…I thought the whole planet worshipped the Eye-god?

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They did not.

Dox didn't say "you've started a war no one else wanted," he said that there would be planet-wide unrest because the whole place depended on the Eye-Gouging God Religion for social order - it was woven into everyday life, like Christianity and Islam are for much of Earth.

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Yes. I imagine that if martians came down and wrecked the Aztecs while Cortés watched it would have been fairly disruptive to life on Earth too.

What is this about other nations and war?

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To quote the Daleks...


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBzZycw9APw

Does Taranna mean that other nations have aids for blind men, or that some sections of the planet allowed their blinded woman aids, meaning that she's from an extremely repressive part of an already extremely repressive planet?

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Various aids are available for blind people. They're not a monoculture, so it varies from place to place.

 

[Clell65619]

"That's fine, but I'd appreciate it if you'd visit Daxam first. Negotiations continue in nine hours or so, and I'd like the information by then. Sodam Yat is currently in Bir Tawil, so you can see him when I drop you off."

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Uh, isn't Daxam, like Krypton was, a high-gravity world? And doesn't the biology of evolving in that high-gravity environment account for at least some of the 'super strength' they have?

Or has that been retconted in of one of the multitude of 'crises' they've had over the last 40 years or so?

A Martian travelling to Earth would be subjected to 2.68 of his/her/its 'normal gravity'. Shape shifting could help, I guess, but still, living as if 2.7 of you were standing on top of you from every direction couldn't possibly be pleasant, and the atmospheric pressure would be a problem as well.

Is Paul going to equip J'aarkn with some exotic undetectable tech powered by high-grade handwavium to allow him to function in a high-gravity, high-pressure situation? Or is he doing his survey from orbit?

 

[Clell65619]

"Good show." I look down at the Earth, which miraculously hasn't exploded. "Alright, I'm turning in. Send me a message the moment anything changes."

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Oh, come on, Paul, Earth doesn't explode all that often.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Uh, isn't Daxam, like Krypton was, a high-gravity world? And doesn't the biology of evolving in that high-gravity environment account for at least some of the 'super strength' they have?

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Not since right near the start of the Golden Age, no.

Or has that been retconted in of one of the multitude of 'crises' they've had over the last 40 years or so?

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More the start of Silver Age, which was 1956 to 1970.

A Martian travelling to Earth would be subjected to 2.68 of his/her/its 'normal gravity'. Shape shifting could help, I guess, but still, living as if 2.7 of you were standing on top of you from every direction couldn't possibly be pleasant, and the atmospheric pressure would be a problem as well.

Is Paul going to equip J'aarkn with some exotic undetectable tech powered by high-grade handwavium to allow him to function in a high-gravity, high-pressure situation? Or is he doing his survey from orbit?

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And even if that wasn't true, J'aarkn is an expert shapeshifter. He could cope.

 

[Steelplaza]

Yeah, Martians aren't Kryptonians but they are considerable stronger than humans. A few extra Gs probably wouldn't be that big a deal. A bigger problem for J'aarkn is that you can walk around modern technological societies all day and not encounter any open flame, but a "primitivist" society like Daxam is likely to have an open hearth fire in every home. Not an insoluble problem, but certainly something to be wary about.

As for the daxamites, it's true that Lanterns could pretty reliably defeat them with the lead weakness, but the problem is more what kind of damage they could do before being defeated. Ending up with a few hundred casualties because a daxamite got to a populated area and carelessly flashed their heat vision around would be a failure as heroes.

 

[CrazyNoVa]

"No, but I'm not entirely sure what daxamites do with cultural iconoclasts." She jerks her head back towards me, looking concerned. "I've got some people checking now. My main concern here is that they'll try and force something. I assume that you fabricated-."

"Lead dust." She nods. "To weaken them but not kill them, because we can get it out of their bodies later."

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the Daxamites just be able to see the lead dust with their microscopic vision, and then blow it away with their super breath?

"There aren't that many of them, and even if they wear an environmental shield we could pierce it far easier than we could piece their skin. There's no way they could reliably avoid lead dust, I've been practicing with x-ionised knives, and a lot of human cities still have lead paint. They'd just die."

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Yeah, I think they did bring special protective suits to protect themselves from lead. It seems like a sensible precaution to take when you travel to a world where an element that can easily kill you exists in abundance.

Also, I don't think the buildings and cities filled with lead would be much of a problem for the Daxamites either. What's stopping them from just incinerating those from afar with their heat vision? It wouldn't be that difficult for them, since they're probably trained to recognize lead, and they can easily find it by using their X-Ray vision to look for all the places they can't see through.

 

[xSieg]

and then blow it away with their super breath

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16-Kryptonians don't have the super and freezing breath naturally IIRC. Though apparently Daxamites have preserved Torquasm-Vo, which means some of them could do it. Maybe? All other kryptonians shown were using Torquasm-Rao, which apparently has a different wiki entry. It feels like two names for the same thing, honestly.
Their whole schtick is that they're power-luddites who live under a red sun to be normal and primitive and only don their solar-suits so they can protect themselves from aliens and undesirables, though. I'm not sure they're all that good with precise user of their abilities.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the Daxamites just be able to see the lead dust with their microscopic vision, and then blow it away with their super breath?

Yeah, I think they did bring special protective suits to protect themselves from lead. It seems like a sensible precaution to take when you travel to a world where an element that can easily kill you exists in abundance.

Also, I don't think the buildings and cities filled with lead would be much of a problem for the Daxamites either. What's stopping them from just incinerating those from afar with their heat vision? It wouldn't be that difficult for them, since they're probably trained to recognize lead, and they can easily find it by using their X-Ray vision to look for all the places they can't see through.

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Several things.

They aren't used to their powers. Trying to use microscope vision when you aren't used to it canonically results in you frying what you're looking at. Or it could result in you being effectively blind. And while they're aware that they're vulnerable to lead, they don't necessarily know what it looks like under a microscope.

And they're in a ship near the edge of the system. They can fly in-system under their own power, but it would take a while and make them vulnerable to interception.

 

[Steelplaza]

I think the Kryptonian we have seen who was the absolute best with his powers was Nazi Superman, and he was really, really good. He had decades to practice, had gotten training in the exotic energy manipulation and mind training Kryptonian arts somewhere, a lot of motivation to get as powerful as possible. It shows how confident he was that he let them put a guy powered by kryptonite on the New Reichsmen; I'm sure he felt like he could deal with that guy with trivial effort.

The daxamites are on the complete other end of the spectrum, like comparing a guy who just put on a power ring for the first time with the Illustres. Or at least, we assume they are. It's possible that one of the crew is a "ringer", some daxamite that got special permission to spend decades training himself in use of yellow sun powers so that they have someone really dangerous to send out on missions to alien worlds. Or not! We won't know until it happens, but presumably they've got some card to play.

 

[boo600]

They did not.

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Ok, yeah, I misremembered by a country mile.

"I couldn't very well leave their country in turmoil."

"You did not have to create turmoil. Once you made your initial assessment, you should have realised that intervention would do more harm than good without the application of resources we are ill-disposed to provide in a location far from Reach space."

"They're late nineteenth century at most. It shouldn't require that much to-."

"I ran the social dynamics equations. Their society may not have technically been a theocracy, but it was strongly organised around their religious practices. And now that authority has gone. Violent crime will increase by between one hundred and eighty and two hundred and twenty percent, depending on precisely how well Lantern Coutara can take charge of the situation."

"And in the long term?"

He glares at me for a fraction of a second. "There are too many unknown variables to calculate with any accuracy." He heads towards the edge of the gantry and stands ramrod straight, hands behind his back. "This is a vast investment of time and effort which is unlikely to see any return within the foreseeable future. I do not want this repeated."


Sorry about that. Took me a bit to find it.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Ok, yeah, I misremembered by a country mile.

Sorry about that. Took me a bit to find it.

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Hey, I'm just glad it wasn't me this time.