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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

I was listening to a podcast on The Odyssey going over the scene where Odysseus visits the Underworld. It made me think the Paul has been slightly overselling the Greek afterlife. Yeah you aren't tortured (unless in the punishment fields) but it's not like being alive. You end up as a formless wraith who can't even talk without a sacrifice juicing you up. Achilles is all, "Being dead sucks! I'd rather be a living nobody than a dead legend."

He doesn't want her there because it's the best afterlife. He wants her there because it'll be the easiest place for him to break her out of and bring her back to life.
 
gladd that this is coming up again!
The handling of Persephone is still one of the most notable points in the story where i detested OL for doing something completely in character.
 
Schooled (part 3) New
20th September 2013
09:07 GMT +3

"Was that the wrong answer?"

Looking down at Hades' palace, I can see how they've remodelled it to take the huge queues into account. There are functionaries moving up and down the lines to take basic biographical information and -in some cases- confessions. There are lesser courts for priests taking initial hearings and debate plea-bargains. But more than that, there are entertainers. I can see an actual stage with some sort of play being performed, jugglers and acrobats… There's even a open air kitchen offering the puzzled but not unhappy aliens food.

"Why was it a question?"

"Ah… Because a full explanation would be complicated and a bit weird so I summarised-? And that was why I summarised it."

She slows, looking back at me. "Do you think I'd still be with you if you being weird was a red line?"

"No, but I know it's not exactly a pull factor, so I try to tone it… Down a bit."

"I think at this point I'd rather be fully informed."

"Alright."

She comes to a full stop, and I do the same.

"Alright. I'm prepared."

"So… I know that you're not particularly attracted-" Her left eyebrow rises. "-to her. I also know that seduction was part of your training."

"Learning how to be appealing was part of my training."

"…yes?"

"I didn't seduce targets."

I think that through for a moment. "I do remember the 'not the League of Ninja Escorts' line. I didn't mean to imply that you had."

She looks away for a moment. "Right."

"Is.. there.. something.. about the.. idea that you want to-?"

"That was part of the training. Becoming someone's mistress could get you all sorts of blackmail material, or opportunities to influence them. It wasn't a part of it that I did."

"So… 'Ninja Escorts'-?"

She shakes her head. "They were just another type of target."

"Should I take it that some of your colleagues-?"

"Yes." She exhales. "Which is exactly why I turned you down. The ones who did it were either the cultists, or just…"

"Whores?"

"I prefer 'manipulative bitches'." She takes a breath. "One… Useful thing that Dad taught me was to not take things personally. They enjoyed messing with people. And not just their targets-. What?"

"I'm sorry, I realise that this is completely inappropriate, but I just had a vision of the League of Shadows as a cliquey American high school."

She thinks for a moment, and then face-shrugs. "Kind of."

"At least they're all in prison… They're not."

"At least one made the transition from fake mistress to actual mistress. A few others weren't guilty of anything serious… Nothing that the people they were blackmailing wanted getting out in public, anyway." She regards me levelly. "But we weren't talking about me."

"Rats, spotted. Ah. Right. So, your training included how to instinctively respond positively to signs of interest, but that doesn't mean that you actually feel positive about it. And I know that."

"But… What, you're concerned because she doesn't?" She smiles faintly. "You think I'm seducing the poor innocent priestess-?" She stops smiling. "Who was socially isolated due to being the priestess of the God of the Dead."

"And though she's a very nice woman, is culturally disinclined to see heterosexual relationships as being significant."

The smiles creeps back. "She thinks I'm keeping you around for breeding purposes."

"Have I told you about Amazon family struc-?"

The smile vanishes. "She thinks I'm keeping you around for breeding purposes and wants to share?"

"I thought it was best to head it off."

She takes a moment to absorb that.

"Also, I do feel a bit possessive, but most of the time I see someone checking you out it's more 'Yeah!'" I throw my arms up, fists clenched. "'I won, didn't I?!' and I don't bother bringing it up."

She bows her head slightly.

"Am I..? Could you actually have had an Amazon harem?"

"No, of course not. The harem comes from a completely different cultural context. I could.. probably have had an expanded Amazon… Breeding circle..? If that interested me. Which it doesn't."

"You're not interested in having sex with a group of Amazons?"

I blink. "Not when you're the alternative."

She floats closer and kisses me on the lips. "Thank you."

"You're welcome. Also, they'd expect me to have no input in the upbringing of my daughters, which I feel would be irresponsible of me. And I value emotional intimacy, and while I'm aware-."

She smile affectionately and pats me on the cuirass. "You can stop now."

"Rightoh."

I-.

I offer her my hand, and after a momentary hesitation she takes it. And then we continue flying towards Hades' audience chamber. A.. functionary I don't recognise looks up as we come in to land, and the pulls the door open as he gestures for us to go right in.

The chamber looks much the same as it did when I first visited, aside from the spaces usually occupied by the judges being vacant due to the fact that they're all busy. In their place, there are a few functionaries lurking around racks of scrolls. Lord Hades is… Actually maintaining his physical form at a slightly larger size than he used to.

"Pavlos."

I bow. "Lord Hades. Thank you for granting us this audience."

"You are friends with Melinoë, are you not?"

"Yes, that's correct. Unless I've done something to alienate her since last time we spoke."

"No, you have not. And she has embraced the modernisation process we have both espoused well. I wanted to reward her for her good work. Imagine my surprise when I found that no record exists of her parentage."

Ah.

"And that despite her having been here for millennia, I found that I could not recall anything on the subject either. Would you happen to know why that is, Eris-worshipper?"
 
To recap,
Hades' wife, Persephone, wants to divorce him. The core of her problem, is that the beginning of their relationship appeared to present itself as

"You are now my wife by my personal power and our family's chaotic mess meaning you have no protectors. With my looming height and lack of hesitation, I will imply miseries will befall your person and your mother if you try to resist. This marriage will be shaped as I deign, and you will contort yourself to fit it. I have no fear of your mother's wrath, either."

And she "accepted" bedding him, at some point. Once it became clear he would not force himself on her, she left, to the extent she possesses freedom. Hades has tried many methods to woo her. Enter Paul! A memory scheme was devised. One final attempt to mend things, before formally getting King Hephestean's (presumed) permission to divorce Hades. Because Hephestean wants Hades to be happy and useful rather than angry, upset, and unstable.



Hades and Aphrodite's kids are aware of the amnesia thing (it disturbs them), but they haven't caused problems. The parents have part of been courting each other? But details have been few and far between, beyond general positive noises.
If only Persephone had cultivated power and allies over the centuries, she'd have been able to bargain or scheme meaningfully. Or she could have left Earth, probably.
 
Would you happen to know why that is, Eris-worshipper?"

By your standing orders before you willingly had the memories suppressed/and or removed , I am to seek the council of your sisters before answering your questions on this subject. I apologize for the inconvenience Lord Hades.
 
20th September 2013
09:07 GMT +3


"Was that the wrong answer?"
Ah, OL's getting better at seeing the relationship minefield. It's not one of those things a Power Ring can scan for, after all. Tread carefully, Illustres, or you might be sleeping in the couch for a while.

Looking down at Hades' palace, I can see how they've remodelled it to take the huge queues into account. There are functionaries moving up and down the lines to take basic biographical information and -in some cases- confessions. There are lesser courts for priests taking initial hearings and debate plea-bargains. But more than that, there are entertainers. I can see an actual stage with some sort of play being performed, jugglers and acrobats… There's even a open air kitchen offering the puzzled but not unhappy aliens food.
Useful if worship of the Hellenic pantheon becomes more popular on Earth too.

"Why was it a question?"

"Ah… Because a full explanation would be complicated and a bit weird so I summarised-? And that was why I summarised it."
Somehow, I suspect she wants the full explanation, OL.

She slows, looking back at me. "Do you think I'd still be with you if you being weird was a red line?"

"No, but I know it's not exactly a pull factor, so I try to tone it… Down a bit."
Honestly, some of the weirdness can be appealing. It's when he goes into orange-morality mode that things get strained.

"I think at this point I'd rather be fully informed."

"Alright."

She comes to a full stop, and I do the same.
Best to not be in motion for this, don't want to fly into a wall while contemplating.

"Alright. I'm prepared."

"So… I know that you're not particularly attracted-" Her left eyebrow rises. "-to her. I also know that seduction was part of your training."
Presumably he can see any surface desires in that direction.

"Learning how to be appealing was part of my training."

"…yes?"

"I didn't seduce targets."
Unless it gave her a chance to hit them when they weren't expecting it? Though I suspect she's conflating basic enticement with more sexual aspects.

I think that through for a moment. "I do remember the 'not the League of Ninja Escorts' line. I didn't mean to imply that you had."

She looks away for a moment. "Right."
I'd be impressed if he had forgotten it. Their first meeting, yes, during the Doctor Rocquette thing?

"Is.. there.. something.. about the.. idea that you want to-?"

"That was part of the training. Becoming someone's mistress could get you all sorts of blackmail material, or opportunities to influence them. It wasn't a part of it that I did."
And that's fair. Not everyone would be comfortable with that sort of thing.

"So… 'Ninja Escorts'-?"

She shakes her head. "They were just another type of target."
I'm picturing the 'seduction' angle as a 'lure them somewhere private' for imminent stabbings.

"Should I take it that some of your colleagues-?"

"Yes." She exhales. "Which is exactly why I turned you down. The ones who did it were either the cultists, or just…"

"Whores?"
Presumably the ones who enjoyed it, yes? Wonder if any went for the kill during the act, like Black Widows.

"I prefer 'manipulative bitches'." She takes a breath. "One… Useful thing that Dad taught me was to not take things personally. They enjoyed messing with people. And not just their targets-. What?"

"I'm sorry, I realise that this is completely inappropriate, but I just had a vision of the League of Shadows as a cliquey American high school."
...that's one way to defuse tension. And make fun of the bad league at the same time.

She thinks for a moment, and then face-shrugs. "Kind of."

"At least they're all in prison… They're not."
Of course they aren't, naturally.

"At least one made the transition from fake mistress to actual mistress. A few others weren't guilty of anything serious… Nothing that the people they were blackmailing wanted getting out in public, anyway." She regards me levelly. "But we weren't talking about me."

"Rats, spotted. Ah. Right. So, your training included how to instinctively respond positively to signs of interest, but that doesn't mean that you actually feel positive about it. And I know that."
It may even give her rough feelings that remind her of her time in the league. A time she's genuinely regretful of these days, if I remember correctly.

"But… What, you're concerned because she doesn't?" She smiles faintly. "You think I'm seducing the poor innocent priestess-?" She stops smiling. "Who was socially isolated due to being the priestess of the God of the Dead."

"And though she's a very nice woman, is culturally disinclined to see heterosexual relationships as being significant."
Yes, very astute, Jade. Just because you weren't trying to lead her on doesn't mean you didn't just due to cultural differences.

The smiles creeps back. "She thinks I'm keeping you around for breeding purposes."

"Have I told you about Amazon family struc-?"

The smile vanishes. "She thinks I'm keeping you around for breeding purposes and wants to share?"
...I mean, I'm sure more than a few amazons would be interested.

"I thought it was best to head it off."

She takes a moment to absorb that.
Look at it this way, maybe they think of you having won the jackpot in terms of good men.

"Also, I do feel a bit possessive, but most of the time I see someone checking you out it's more 'Yeah!'" I throw my arms up, fists clenched. "'I won, didn't I?!' and I don't bother bringing it up."

She bows her head slightly.
Could have worded it better, OL, but I think she gets the sentiment.

"Am I..? Could you actually have had an Amazon harem?"

"No, of course not. The harem comes from a completely different cultural context. I could.. probably have had an expanded Amazon… Breeding circle..? If that interested me. Which it doesn't."
And the word doesn't mean 'group of women I keep/know who want to fuck me'. Harem is simply the 'women's quarters' of a large home.

"You're not interested in having sex with a group of Amazons?"

I blink. "Not when you're the alternative."

She floats closer and kisses me on the lips. "Thank you."
Okay, that definitely scored maximum points with her.

"You're welcome. Also, they'd expect me to have no input in the upbringing of my daughters, which I feel would be irresponsible of me. And I value emotional intimacy, and while I'm aware-."

She smile affectionately and pats me on the cuirass. "You can stop now."
While him being romantic is nice, there's such a thing as too much.

"Rightoh."

I-.

I offer her my hand, and after a momentary hesitation she takes it. And then we continue flying towards Hades' audience chamber. A.. functionary I don't recognise looks up as we come in to land, and the pulls the door open as he gestures for us to go right in.
At least OL has 'immediate audience' privileges, after all he's done for Hades.

The chamber looks much the same as it did when I first visited, aside from the spaces usually occupied by the judges being vacant due to the fact that they're all busy. In their place, there are a few functionaries lurking around racks of scrolls. Lord Hades is… Actually maintaining his physical form at a slightly larger size than he used to.
So around eight or nine feet? That sounds like he feels the need to be impressive for his new guests (the extra-terrestrials, not OL and Jade.)

"Pavlos."

I bow. "Lord Hades. Thank you for granting us this audience."
At least he remembers OL. It can't have been easy for them to edit his memories to get the right ones without impairing his ability to perform his duties.

"You are friends with Melinoë, are you not?"

"Yes, that's correct. Unless I've done something to alienate her since last time we spoke."

"No, you have not. And she has embraced the modernisation process we have both espoused well. I wanted to reward her for her good work. Imagine my surprise when I found that no record exists of her parentage."
...Oh. Oh dear. That's a bit of an oversight.

Ah.

"And that despite her having been here for millennia, I found that I could not recall anything on the subject either. Would you happen to know why that is, Eris-worshipper?"
Time to make with some fast talking, OL, or the whole process will be ruined.

Well, that was unexpected. Did none of them expect Hades to get curious about his fellow underworld deities? Especially the younger ones? With any luck OL can explain the matter without disrupting the courting of Persephone. Which has hopefully been going well anyway? I'm sure we'll find out shortly anyway...
 
To recap,
Hades' wife, Persephone, wants to divorce him. The core of her problem, is that the beginning of their relationship appeared to present itself as

"You are now my wife by my personal power and our family's chaotic mess meaning you have no protectors. With my looming height and lack of hesitation, I will imply miseries will befall your person and your mother if you try to resist. This marriage will be shaped as I deign, and you will contort yourself to fit it. I have no fear of your mother's wrath, either."

And she "accepted" bedding him, at some point. Once it became clear he would not force himself on her, she left, to the extent she possesses freedom. Hades has tried many methods to woo her. Enter Paul! A memory scheme was devised. One final attempt to mend things, before formally getting King Hephestean's (presumed) permission to divorce Hades. Because Hephestean wants Hades to be happy and useful rather than angry, upset, and unstable.



Hades and Aphrodite's kids are aware of the amnesia thing (it disturbs them), but they haven't caused problems. The parents have part of been courting each other? But details have been few and far between, beyond general positive noises.
If only Persephone had cultivated power and allies over the centuries, she'd have been able to bargain or scheme meaningfully. Or she could have left Earth, probably.
She'd have had to basically abandon her entire culture and family; by the standards of the ancient Greek culture she was 'born into' so to speak, Hades did everything he needed to do. The ancient Greeks were patriarchal as shit and if you wanted to marry a woman you didn't need the woman's consent, you needed her father's, because marriage was a transfer of ownership from father to husband.

Now of course in practice normal people usually did courtships and everything to get the consent of the woman as well because duh. But higher ranking members of society often did not, as marriage for them was more about making political alliances than it was about love, with a common attitude being that love, or at least tolerance, can come later.

By the standards of the time, Demeter was actually the unreasonable one in the equation, as she refused to accept that her husband had arranged a very high status marriage for her daughter and threw a massive tantrum, holding the world hostage until Zeus was forced to compromise. And even after that compromise she still sulks and makes everything suck for everyone for half the year.

Ancient Athenian Philosopher Voice: "Typical unreasonable emotional woman nonsense, this is why they can't be allowed to vote."
 
"And that despite her having been here for millennia, I found that I could not recall anything on the subject either. Would you happen to know why that is, Eris-worshipper?"

I never thought the idea was to keep the memory loss a secret! I assume both Hades and Persephone would be told what was going through n and why they had agreed to sacrifice their memory.

But I forgot comics run on drama.
 
I'm wondering if Paul will tell Hades and Persephone exactly what's going on, or if he tries to preserve this experiment by keeping them as in the dark as he can.
 
"If you know a better way to find them, I'm all ears. But that's… All really tangential to why I'm here. Last time the League encountered these creatures, a scientist by the name of Stirling Roquette was crucial to us developing a way to immunise people against the form of mental control they were using. After the thing in Gotham I went to see her again, and… She had an early nanoforge prototype."
@Mr Zoat, I was rereading and found an error. That should say 'Serling'.
 
Schooled (part 4) New
20th September 2013
09:12 GMT +3



"Yes."

Hades leans forwards slightly. "Is this some manner of jape?"

"Ah. I think Eris is probably laughing now, at me, but your forgetfulness isn't the joke."

"Was it your idea?"

"Yes, but as a solution to a pre-existing problem. Um. I'm not really supposed to tell you any more."

"Your have been ordered to hold your tongue?"

"Yes."

"By whom?"

Several of the court clerks cringe.

"Duly designated authority. There's a plan, and it's… Well intentioned…"

He sits back. "Is this my nephew's idea of a prank? I had thought that he was more serious than this."

"Ah. No."

"My brother, before you sent him on his sabbatical?"

"No. My lord, please stop asking."

"The Serpent of Avarice? Your Controllers?" He studies me. "No, I see that it is not."

There isn't an Ancient Greek story about not ruining your own surprise party, is there?

"My lord-."

"I assume that your consort has accompanied you here because you intend to ask me to accept guardianship of her soul."

Jade doesn't frown. "I was going to ask for myself, Lord Hades."

"Ah. Then let me be clear. Traditionally, a good deal of the decision-making relating to what happens to a soul in my court come down to piety. How well an individual has honoured the gods in word and deed. Many things are taken in the balance, but I am not feeling particularly honoured right now."

"My lord-."

His right hand grips the arm of his throne and cracks… Whatever it's made of. "Who has the authority to gainsay me in my own realm!?"

"No one."

"Then-!?"

He stops. His right hand unclenches, and crumbled chunks of throne fall to the ground.

"No one."

"I suppose you could make a case that Death of the Endless does, but for all relevant purposes, no."

He narrows his eyes thoughtfully. "I ordered you to do this."

"You authorised is, yes."

"I ordered you to cause me to forget the heritage of one of my aides?"

"That was part of it. My lord, please stop asking."

"Am I suppose to forget permanently?"

"No, the duration is until certain things happen. And as far as I know, they haven't, so please stop asking and just carry on with what you're doing."

He considers me. "Does anyone else know about this?"

"Melinoë does. But please, you told us to do this, and if you mess it up, the consequences will be unpleasant."

"For the Hellenic pantheon?"

"For you personally."

Hades considers me for a moment.

"I can hardly pass judgement on your decisions without knowing why I gave you whatever order I gave you. And I can hardly pass judgement on myself."

"Your wisdom is-."

"But mark my words, Pavlos." He leans forwards again, but this time with less menace. And I think he's shrinking? "Once I regain my memories, I will pass judgement on all those involved in whatever this is."

"Of course, my lord. I wish you all success."

He slumps slightly. "In what, in particular?"

"With regard to the thing you ordered me not to tell you about. I appreciate that it's disconcerting, but it really is for the best."

"Then I shall take your word for it, for now." He turns his attention to Jade. "Approach, postulant."

Jade takes several steps towards the throne, stopping a respectable distance away.

"You are not Greek. Why would you choose us, over your own peoples' gods?"

"You provide a better value service. And Vietnamese religion is kind of a mess."

"I assume that Pavlos spoke in our favour?"

"He did. Mostly in your favor."

"You're wearing a uniform. Does your profession not have a god?"

"Yes, but it's probably Nemesis."

"And?"

"I'm probably overdue for her attention myself. I've done a lot of bad things in my life, and I'd like to make up for them before drawing her attention."

"Ah. You understand that if you aren't able to make amends, you will be punished once you arrive here." His eyes drift to me for a moment, before returning to her. "Though if your marriage to Pavlos lasts any time, I will take that into account on the credit side of the balance."

"I know. I accept that."

"Then in the fullness of time, be welcome. But for now, return to the land of the living."
 
Thank you, corrected.
I checked, and it's still wrong. Her name is 'Serling', not 'Sterling'.

"You authorised is, yes."
That should say 'it'.

"But mark my words, Pavlos." He leans forwards again, but this time with less menace. And I think he's shrinking? "Once I regain my memories, I will pass judgement on all those involved in whatever this is."

"Of course, my lord. I wish you all success."

He slumps slightly. "In what, in particular?"

"With regard to the thing you ordered me not to tell you about. I appreciate that it's disconcerting, but it really is for the best."
He's going to feel really stupid when he gets his memories back.
 
"Ah. You understand that if you aren't able to make amends, you will be punished once you arrive here." His eyes drift to me for a moment, before returning to her. "Though if your marriage to Pavlos lasts any time, I will take that into account on the credit side of the balance."
Hades: "I can see you've murdered a lot of people, but if you can manage 10 years of marriage with Paul that's all forgiven, and we'll apply a heroic modifier to your judgement. Somewhere between Hercules and Perseus."
 
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It's really not, its mostly just flavors of buddhism.
About 76% of the population are either irreligious or follow local folk religions, Buddhists are about 13% and Catholics are about 6%, with some Vietnam-unique syncretic religions like Caodaism and a scattering of other religions like Hinduism filling up the rest.

The Buddhists and Buddhism variants account for less than 20% of the population, so I wouldn't say its 'mostly' Buddhism.


"A mess" is a not inaccurate descriptor, especially in a setting where gods provably exist. Folk religions do tend to be rather messy due to their localized nature and lack of organization, in a setting where every random local land spirit actually exists, figuring out what is going to happen to your soul would be no mean feat.
 
20th September 2013
09:12 GMT +3




"Yes."

Hades leans forwards slightly. "Is this some manner of jape?"
It really kind of depends on your sense of humour. But as it concerns Hades, no, it's not a joke, even if he feels the butt of something right now. Of course, finding out about it would spoil the whole process...

"Ah. I think Eris is probably laughing now, at me, but your forgetfulness isn't the joke."

"Was it your idea?"
Well, it's complicated.

"Yes, but as a solution to a pre-existing problem. Um. I'm not really supposed to tell you any more."

"You have been ordered to hold your tongue?"
And this is where it gets tricky...

Oooh, that'll make your bones shudder.

Several of the court clerks cringe.

"Duly designated authority. There's a plan, and it's… Well intentioned…"
I have to wonder if there was any procedure planned in case either party began to glimpse the edges of the matter...

He sits back. "Is this my nephew's idea of a prank? I had thought that he was more serious than this."

"Ah. No."
Hermes? No, he's playing no part in this as far as I remember.

"My brother, before you sent him on his sabbatical?"

"No. My lord, please stop asking."
I mean, it does kind of relate to Zeus' overthrow. But not in the way Hades thinks...

"The Serpent of Avarice? Your Controllers?" He studies me. "No, I see that it is not."

There isn't an Ancient Greek story about not ruining your own surprise party, is there?
I doubt the Ophidian would ever bother with this, nor would any Controller. Hinon might be amused, but...

"My lord-."

"I assume that your consort has accompanied you here because you intend to ask me to accept guardianship of her soul."
Ah, let's hope he's amenable to it given the mood he's in because of all this.

Jade doesn't frown. "I was going to ask for myself, Lord Hades."

"Ah. Then let me be clear. Traditionally, a good deal of the decision-making relating to what happens to a soul in my court comes down to piety. How well an individual has honoured the gods in word and deed. Many things are taken in the balance, but I am not feeling particularly honoured right now."
Still, Hades should be professional enough to not let his vexation interfere with his judgement.

"My lord-."

His right hand grips the arm of his throne and cracks… Whatever it's made of. "Who has the authority to gainsay me in my own realm!?"
Yeah, Hades is nice, until something earns his ire, and then you remember that he's the first-born son of Kronus. It's only because Zeus suggested drawing lots for their share of the world that he didn't take the domain of the Sky.

"No one."

"Then-!?"

He stops. His right hand unclenches, and crumbled chunks of throne fall to the ground.
Ah, good, he's noticed he's being rather unreasonable. And his sense of propriety will not let him rage like a foiled child in his own hall.

"No one."

"I suppose you could make a case that Death of the Endless does, but for all relevant purposes, no."
True, but she's easy-going about it and generally doesn't stick her oar into the affairs of 'local' death gods.

He narrows his eyes thoughtfully. "I ordered you to do this."

"You authorised it, yes."
Ah, he's beginning to glimpse the shape of what he's not privy to.

"I ordered you to cause me to forget the heritage of one of my aides?"

"That was part of it. My lord, please stop asking."
Some of the shape, but not the whole of it. Good, the process isn't foiled yet.

"Am I suppose to forget permanently?"

"No, the duration is until certain things happen. And as far as I know, they haven't, so please stop asking and just carry on with what you're doing."
That means putting a lot of trust in OL and the others that this is for Hades' benefit.

He considers me. "Does anyone else know about this?"

"Melinoë does. But please, you told us to do this, and if you mess it up, the consequences will be unpleasant."
Sadly, he can't be told what said consequences are without spoiling the whole matter.

"For the Hellenic pantheon?"

"For you personally."

Hades considers me for a moment.
Perhaps he's starting to realise something of the 'why?'

"I can hardly pass judgement on your decisions without knowing why I gave you whatever order I gave you. And I can hardly pass judgement on myself."

"Your wisdom is-."
And now we see a little of why this has him discomported.

"But mark my words, Pavlos." He leans forwards again, but this time with less menace. And I think he's shrinking? "Once I regain my memories, I will pass judgement on all those involved in whatever this is."

"Of course, my lord. I wish you all success."
When you remember, Hades, it will all become clear, success or fail.

He slumps slightly. "In what, in particular?"

"With regard to the thing you ordered me not to tell you about. I appreciate that it's disconcerting, but it really is for the best."
And while it may be frustrating, it'll be worth it.

"Then I shall take your word for it, for now." He turns his attention to Jade. "Approach, postulant."

Jade takes several steps towards the throne, stopping a respectable distance away.
Not least outside weapon's reach, a natural precaution between petitioner and host.

"You are not Greek. Why would you choose us, over your own peoples' gods?"

"You provide a better value service. And Vietnamese religion is kind of a mess."
Besides the Buddhism, there's this. Quite... Regional and highly variable from area to area...

"I assume that Pavlos spoke in our favour?"

"He did. Mostly in your favor."
Hey, Hades is the god who takes his duties most seriously, given that he is 'the one who has many guests'.

"You're wearing a uniform. Does your profession not have a god?"

"Yes, but it's probably Nemesis."
Fitting, but hardly fitting to throw oneself upon her mercy.

"And?"

"I'm probably overdue for her attention myself. I've done a lot of bad things in my life, and I'd like to make up for them before drawing her attention."
Which no doubt speaks in her favour. But while her ledger is still filled with red, it won't matter much.

"Ah. You understand that if you aren't able to make amends, you will be punished once you arrive here." His eyes drift to me for a moment, before returning to her. "Though if your marriage to Pavlos lasts any time, I will take that into account on the credit side of the balance."
...That's fair.

"I know. I accept that."

"Then in the fullness of time, be welcome. But for now, return to the land of the living."
Best not to wear out their welcome while Hades is grumpy.

Hopefully Hades doesn't foul the plan with his curiosity. They really should have thought of what to do if he did get curious or confused about these matters. I'm sure the children can be more diplomatic about the matter than OL was, deflections aside. At least Hades accepted Jade's request, despite his misgivings.
 
I never thought the idea was to keep the memory loss a secret! I assume both Hades and Persephone would be told what was going through n and why they had agreed to sacrifice their memory.

I'm wondering if Paul will tell Hades and Persephone exactly what's going on, or if he tries to preserve this experiment by keeping them as in the dark as he can.

If you know "I've agreed to erase my memory so that I can properly court/be courted", that is going to make the entire thing utterly pointless, because if you're aware of it then you're aware there was something to erase that needed to be erased for the thing you want to have happen to happen.

They probably didn't think about what would happen if Hades started poking around in the temporarily-altered records because it never occured to anyone that he would have any reason to, say, look up Melinoë's birth records.
 
About 76% of the population are either irreligious or follow local folk religions, Buddhists are about 13% and Catholics are about 6%, with some Vietnam-unique syncretic religions like Caodaism and a scattering of other religions like Hinduism filling up the rest.

The Buddhists and Buddhism variants account for less than 20% of the population, so I wouldn't say its 'mostly' Buddhism.


"A mess" is a not inaccurate descriptor, especially in a setting where gods provably exist. Folk religions do tend to be rather messy due to their localized nature and lack of organization, in a setting where every random local land spirit actually exists, figuring out what is going to happen to your soul would be no mean feat.
What you're not mentioning here is that most of the folk religions are just alternate flavors of buddhism.
 
What you're not mentioning here is that most of the folk religions are just alternate flavors of buddhism.

By that same logic though both Christianity and Islam are alternate flavors of Judaism which is an alternate of the Mesopotamian faith

I'd say after a certain time separate, different sects can be considered their own religion

For example: Catholics don't recognize Mormons as Christians
 

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