With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

[Aeess]

I wonder how Alan and Diana are gonna react, the last time they truly dropped their no kill rule was against Nazi Germany and now they're gonna meet a Supernazi from an entire world where the Nazis won.

 

[Grimnar]

"I am surprised that they expect me to argue with them at all."

"You don't see the Guardians making ships for Green Lanterns."

"There are nine Guardians left to cover the entire universe. I doubt that they could make enough ships to be worthwhile. We will be operating over a far smaller area. I already have enough data to begin the design work but I need a fleet in the field as quickly as possible, far faster than tributary shipyards can be brought into alignment. As things stand I'm not certain that I understand what it is that the Controllers bring to this arrangement."

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Found another.

 

[Mr Zoat]

I wonder how Alan and Diana are gonna react, the last time they truly dropped their no kill rule was against Nazi Germany and now they're gonna meet a Supernazi from an entire world where the Nazis won.

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It would be more accurate to say that they didn't have that rule at the time and developed it later.

Found another.

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Thank you, corrected.

 

[Aeess]

It would be more accurate to say that they didn't have that rule at the time and developed it later.

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I was under the impression that at least Alan operated under it while he was in the US, he certainly used that as explanation(though he kindaadmitted to knowing that the difference isn't real outside the legal system).

 

[Mr Zoat]

I was under the impression that at least Alan operated under it while he was in the US, he certainly used that as explanation(though he kindaadmitted to knowing that the difference isn't real outside the legal system).

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It wasn't that he refused to kill, it was that he didn't find it necessary for fighting criminals.

 

[Coda]

The fact that there are multiple Pauls in various universes suggests that prime Paul is still at home going about his life, and that all the others were copied from him over a period of several days.

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Well, there certainly is a Paul in the prime universe. He spends a good deal of his free time writing DC Comics fanfiction.

That said, the current leading theory is that the current Paul Prime is not in fact the original.

 

[Ganurath]

This multiverse talk is making me wonder at all the different Donna origins there could be.

 

[Siiracai The Supernal]

Quick question. I have been wondering if QQ has a thread with a list of Lantern SIs, like the one that SpaceBattles has. I am only asking because I am trying to track down as many SIs as possible, which may or may not be partly due to my interest in maybe making one myself. But mostly because I am really loving the majority of them.

 

[NeoDarklight]

I'm kind of curious as to how Overgirl will react upon hearing about how the clone of Hitler killed Captain Nazi with the Spear of Destiny in order to save his black wife and their three mixed race children. That ought to throw her through a loop.

 

[ForeverShogo]

Eh. It's the clone of Hitler, not the actual Hitler. She'd probably assume they made the clone solely to humiliate him.

I imagine she'd look down on Earth 16 if she got a look at it. Overman created a One World Order that could be considered utopic. Well, considered utopic by a Nazi. Not so much any of the minorities they targeted. (Hooray for reverse engineering Kryptonian technology, I guess.)

I'd absolutely expect her to try to gloat about it. "Oh, we have so much more order, stability, and prosperity than you."

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Also, genuinely surprised to see that Overgirl is only half-Kryptonian. The comic made it sound like she was a genderbent clone of Overman.

 

[Maxx Crowley]

This whole thing makes me nervous.

Like...not in an in universe way. Because, hey who knows.

But out of universe? Like...so many ways this can go badly.

 

[Someguy Somewhere]

The world wars are well past the rule 8 cutoff time suggestions.

Recent history of a fictional earth where events happened very differently are likely a non issue because they do not reflect current reality, socially or politically. So long as there are no groups drawing direct comparisons between fictional nazi's and current irl individuals I think we're good.

Considering the previous content for planetary genocide, mutilations and other horrid things, violence and totalitarian dictatorships aren't a show stopper, and neither is fictional individuals that are openly nazi themselves, based on captain nazi and co's previous appearances.

So long as folks are reasonable I think we can make it through what ever Earth 10 references has to throw at us here. I mean they got away with it on the CW Arrowverse.

 

[Mr Zoat]

14th March
14:27 GMT -5

She's.. looking better.

The burns are fading. Fortunately, the purple healing ray works as well on people from her parallel as it does on people from this one, and I'm sure that the synthesised sunlight is helping as well. I've taking the liberty of restoring her uniform… As much as I can. Her left arm was burned down to the muscle in a few places and I just guessed that it was the same as the right.

"Jor-El? Anything else you need me to do?"

"Physically, she is as healthy as I can easily make her. Has my niece been informed?"

"Yes, but I asked her to stay away until I've been able to break the news to the patient. Seeing another kryptonian without context might cause.. problems."

"I suppose that's reasonable. The process used to grant her partial kryptonian physiology was quite different from that used to create Kon-El and Match-El. I suspect that she was born entirely human before it was applied."

I frown.

"They rewrote the physiology of a complex organism? Are they more advanced than us, do you think?"

"If they were able to do this reliably, then yes, they are. However, when Krypton experimented with augmented-."

"You think they just tried a lot of times and she happened to survive."

"It's possible. I can't tell for certain based on her current physiology." He pauses. "If it were done by kryptonians, awakening in a kryptonian facility might frighten her."

"I don't think kryptonian scientists would dress her like that. Neither would human scientists. If she's wearing a uniform like that then they've clearly given her a job."

"Or she escaped them."

"I suppose." Hm. "I'll take a look at her emotional network. If I see anything that's cause for concern we can move her before she wakes up."

"I think that would be wise."

Okay, let's see…

Fear of her environment. She's used to being able to tough out just about anything, and the burning frightened her. Not just the idea that she might die, but the idea that she might be crippled and unable to fulfil her duties to the state.

State employed superhero? That could work, but given that it's always shown as a terrible idea in the comics I feel some instinctive nervousness. It goes against the whole deeply individualistic core of the superheroic ideal. Cooperation with the government, sure, that's part of being a good citizen. Servitude like the police or army? No. Ideals over orders. Oddly prescient, considering that the Second World War happened a little after the first superhero comics were published.

Okay, so what else?

Not seeing much in the way of hate, which means that she probably wasn't a test subject. Not recently, anyway. Anger isn't really part of her character either. Something about some creepy politician leering at her, but that's about it.

I turn her shorts into leggings.

Her wants are a confused mess. It feels like she's been taught to want certain things her entire life-.

Oh.

Oh my.

That's… Going to be awkward.

"What did you just see?"

"She's a superhero on her world, but it's a little… Different to this one. She probably won't have a problem waking up here."

Dealing with 'extreme' beliefs hasn't been a big part of my training, but it has come up in conversation with Harleen. Such beliefs are nonsensical, but a person holding them won't listen to rational challenges to those beliefs because they've already tagged you as an 'Enemy of the People', 'Suppressive Person', 'Subversive Element' or whatever the approved way of referring to people who haven't drunk the kool-aid is, and as such someone to ignore and mistrust. The way to talk them around is to find out what was going wrong in their lives which led them to those beliefs and help them fix that.

But that probably wouldn't work here. That technique was intended for places where fascism is a dirty word, not for somewhere where it's the official state ideology and hammered into everyone from early childhood. I'd be worried, but it looks like I don't need to make her doubt. Something happened and she was doubting already. I've got to prevent her relapsing, convincing her that what she was used to isn't the only way to live. And… Keep careful tabs on her just in case she decides to go 'back to basics' on a planet full of people the Nazis would have considered fair game.

"Nuhmm…"

My light armour has a kinetic barrier and she's only part kryptonian… I haven't found a way to precisely judge how much solar power a kryptonian still has in their system.

"But just in case… Please turn the sunlight off."

The lights on the bier she's lying on dim slightly, and my ring notes that the lights in the entire fortress have changed frequency a little.

Hm. Given that she's more or less dressed like a conventional superhero I imagine that my armour will pass muster, but… I walk around to her left side, making sure that I'm out of arm's reach. Not that that will help much if she's got kryptonian reactions. Fortunately, if her first language is German -and no offence intended to Germany but I think that's most likely- my ring will translate what I say into German for her. Which means that her instinctive reaction to hearing a strange language won't be an issue.

"Miss? Are you back with us?"

Her eyes snap open, her fingers scoring the crystals of the bier as she panic-clenches her hands into fists, sitting up with eyes glowing!

I raise my hands in a placatory gesture.

"Miss, you're safe here."

Her eyes dim almost immediately and she sags, breathing hard as he heart races.

"Where-?" She checks her left arm before returning her attention to me. "Where am I?"

"I suspect that you're in a universe parallel to the one you came from. Are you feeling alright?"

She takes a moment to regain her focus.

"Yes. I am.. physically well. Is this..? Krypton?"

"I'm afraid not. Are you..? From Krypton?"

"No. No, it is simply that the design reminded me of pictures I have seen of Krypton." She looks me over. "You are a Lantern?"

"I am the Illustres of the Orange Lantern Corps."

"I do not know what that means."

"I'm in charge of-."

Would the Guardians deal with a Nazi Earth? Yes, yes they would. They've recruited people from some extremely vicious societies before, but they wouldn't recruit an individual who had personally participated in mass murder. And I'm not sure that someone raised as a dedicated National Socialist would want to serve in an organisation controlled by aliens.

"I suppose the best way to describe the job is to say that I'm the most powerful Orange Lantern, but not necessarily the most intelligent."

"I.. see."

"And you?"

One completely calm exhalation and she turns to adopt a sitting position with her legs over the side of the bier facing me.

"I am Overgirl."

 

[Ardy]

Fuck mothering vampire indeed

 

[thebishop8]

I just realized that we skipped from the 6th of March to the 14th. I just can't help but be amused at how much we're suddenly skipping ahead in recent episodes.

 

[Grimnar]

I just realized that we skipped from the 6th of March to the 14th. I just can't help but be amused at how much we're suddenly skipping ahead in recent episodes.

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It's about time. The pacing of this story is... compact.

 

[SebazuD]

One completely clam exhalation and she turns to adopt a sitting position with her legs over the side of the bier facing me.

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Should be calm not clam.

 

[Chojin Patriarch]

She's.. looking better.

The burns are fading. Fortunately, the purple healing ray works as well on people from her parallel as it does on people from this one, and I'm sure that the synthesised sunlight is helping as well. I've taking the liberty of restoring her uniform… As much as I can. Her left arm was burned down to the muscle in a few places and I just guessed that it was the same as the right.

"Jor-El? Anything else you need me to do?"

"Physically, she is as healthy as I can easily make her. Has my niece been informed?"

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Yeah, I think Kara would want to be aware of a half-kryptonian who looks a hell of a lot like her, but Nazi.

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"Yes, but I asked her to stay away until I've been able to break the news to the patient. Seeing another kryptonian without context might cause.. problems."

"I suppose that's reasonable. The process used to grant her partial kryptonian physiology was quite different to that used to create Kon-El and Match-El. I suspect that she was born entirely human before it was applied."

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If the failure rate weren't so massive, and it had no significant mental drawbacks, It might be worth pursuing study of the process. I'm sure lots of people would want Superman's powers, weaknesses to Magic and certain radiation frequencies bedamned... Of course, many would likely not be suitable to have them...

I frown.

"They rewrote the physiology of a complex organism? Are they more advanced than us, do you think?"

"If they were able to do this reliably, then yes, they are. However, when Krypton experimented with augmented-."

"You think they just tried a lot of times and she happened to survive."

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Like I said: Massive failure rate.

"It's possible. I can't tell for certain based on her current physiology." He pauses. "If it were done by kryptonians, awakening in a kryptonian facility might frighten her."

"I don't think kryptonian scientists would dress her like that. Neither would human scientists. If she's wearing a uniform like that then they've clearly given her a job."

"Or she escaped them."

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Heh. Jor-el's pretty astute for a VI. Probably due to security protocols.

"I suppose." Hm. "I'll take a look at her emotional network. If I see anything that's cause for concern we can move her before she wakes up."

"I think that would be wise."

Okay, let's see…

Fear of her environment. She's used to being able to tough out just about anything, and the burning frightened her. Not just the idea that she might die, but the idea that she might be crippled and unable to fulfil her duties to the state.

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Definitely appropriate to someone who's likely been virtually invulnerable all their life.

State employed superhero? That could work, but given that it's always shown as a terrible idea in the comics I feel some instinctive nervousness. It goes against the whole deeply individualistic core of the superheroic ideal. Cooperation with the government, sure, that's part of being a good citizen. Servitude like the police or army? No. Ideals over orders. Oddly prescient, considering that the Second World War happened a little after the first superhero comics were published.

Okay, so what else?

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It is impressive that so many early Superheroes were adventurers and vigilantes in the mould of the Pulp era before them.

Not seeing much in the way of hate, which means that she probably wasn't a test subject. Not recently, anyway. Anger isn't really part of her character either. Something about some creepy politician leering at her, but that's about it.

I turn her shorts into leggings.

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Heh, not happy about the attentions her looks attract, is she? Or at least some of the people...

Her wants are a confused mess. It feels like she's been taught to want certain things her entire life-.

Oh.

Oh my.

That's… Going to be awkward.

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Heheh. I'm sure it can be managed. If she can understand that trying to take over the world in the Reich's name would be... Unwise, I'm sure it'll work out. As long as she remembers to keep her opinions on politics private...

"What did you just see?"

"She's a superhero on her world, but it's a little… Different to this one. She probably won't have a problem waking up here."

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As long as you can avoid getting getting heat-visioned and having her fly off in a panic...

Dealing with 'extreme' beliefs hasn't been a big part of my training, but it has come up in conversation with Harleen. Such beliefs are nonsensical, but a person holding them won't listen to rational challenges to those beliefs because they've already tagged you as an 'Enemy of the People', 'Suppressive Person', 'Subversive Element' or whatever the approved way of referring to people who haven't drunk the cool aid is, and as such someone to ignore and mistrust. The way to talk them around is to find out what was going wrong in their lives which led them to those beliefs and help them fix that.

But that probably wouldn't work here. That technique was intended for places where fascism is a dirty word, not for somewhere where it's the official state ideology and hammered into everyone from early childhood. I'd be worried, but it looks like I don't need to make her doubt. Something happened and she was doubting already. I've got to prevent her relapsing, convincing her that what she was used to isn't the only way to live. And… Keep careful tabs on her just in case she decides to go 'back to basics' on a planet full of people the Nazis would have considered fair game.

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I'm sure she can be reasonable. Just keep the Gold Kryptonite Ray close.

"Nuhmm…"

My light armour has a kinetic barrier and she's only part kryptonian… I haven't found a way to precisely judge how much solar power a kryptonian still has in their system.

"But just in case… Please turn the sunlight off."

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Sensible.

The lights on the bier she's lying on dim slightly, and my rings notes that the lights in the entire fortress have changed frequency a little.

Hm. Given that she's more or less dressed like a conventional superhero I imagine that my armour will past muster, but… I walk around to her left side, making sure that I'm out of arm's reach. Not that that will help much if she's got kryptonian reactions. Fortunately, if her first language is German -and no offence intended to Germany but I think that's most likely- my ring will translate what I say into German for her. Which means that her instinctive reaction to hearing a strange language won't be an issue.

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Even if it gives him a suitable accent, I'm sure she'd respect it. I'm sure she would respect the British.

"Miss? Are you back with us?"

Her eyes snap open, her fingers scoring the crystals of the bier as she panic-clenches her hands into fists, sitting up with eyes glowing!

I raise my hands in a placatory gesture.

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Yikes! Understandable panic.

"Miss, you're safe here."

Her eyes dim almost immediately and she sags, breathing hard as he heart races.

"Where-?" She checks her left arm before returning her attention to me. "Where am I?"

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Well, Panic Heat-vision averted. Now for some fast-talking to avoid the literal 'Fight-or-flight' response.

"I suspect that you're in a universe parallel to the one you came from. Are you feeling alright?"

She takes a moment to regain her focus.

"Yes. I am.. physically well. Is this..? Krypton?"

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Take note folks, her world used technology based on Kryptonian devices in Kal-El's pod. She'd know what that tech would look like.

"I'm afraid not. Are you..? From Krypton?"

"No. No, it is simply that the design reminded me of pictures I have seen of Krypton." She looks me over. "You are a Lantern?"

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I am impressed she knows of the Green Lanterns. Passing visits by the sector lanterns?

"I am the Illustres of the Orange Lantern Corps."

"I do not know what that means."

"I'm in charge of-."

Would the Guardians deal with a Nazi Earth? Yes, yes they would. They've recruited people from some extremely vicious societies before, but they wouldn't recruit an individual who had personally participated in mass murder. And I'm not sure that someone raised as a dedicated National Socialist would want to serve in an organisation controlled by aliens.

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Given their treatment of other humans? Quite likely, unless it was run by approved humanity.

"I suppose the best way to describe the job is to say that I'm the most powerful Orange Lantern, but not necessarily the most intelligent."

"I.. see."

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I'm guessing she doesn't actually, but is humouring him.

"And you?"

One completely clam exhalation and she turns to adopt a sitting position with her legs over the side of the bier facing me.

"I am Overgirl."

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And if OL remembers his DC history, that should be ringing alarm bells like it did for us.

Well, So far so good. It's going to be.. interesting.. when she meets Kal-el and Kara. Much less sees the rest of the world...

 

[Unlimited Harem Works]

Mr Zoat I can't get the YouTube link to work.

 

[Citizen]

who haven't drunk the cool aid

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If you are looking for the brand name (and I think you are) it's Kool-Aid.

 

[Mquz]

If you are looking for the brand name (and I think you are) it's Kool-Aid.

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Actually, it was Flavor-Aid

 

[Ganurath]

Actually, it was Flavor-Aid

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The idiom uses Kool-Aid, even if the suicide cult it refers to didn't.

 

[Mr Zoat]

Should be calm not clam.

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Thank you, corrected.

Yeah, I think Kara would want to be aware of a half-kryptonian who looks a hell of a lot like her, but Nazi.

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Other than being blonde and blue-eyed, they don't actually look like each other. She's no more the parallel universe equivalent than Linda Danvers is.

Heh, not happy about the attentions her looks attract, is she? Or at least some of the people...

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Oh, Addie creeps everyone out. That's mostly why he does it.

Weirdly, his father's not actually that bad.

...

Considering. He doesn't abuse his position more than it obliges him to.

Even if it gives him a suitable accent, I'm sure she'd respect it. I'm sure she would respect the British.

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It helped.

I am impressed she knows of the Green Lanterns. Passing visits by the sector lanterns?

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No. They captured Alan Scott's ring and lantern.

And if OL remembers his DC history, that should be ringing alarm bells like it did for us.

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Actually, he doesn't remember an Overman.

Mr Zoat I can't get the YouTube link to work.

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LAND OF THE FREE!

If you are looking for the brand name (and I think you are) it's Kool-Aid.

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Thank you, corrected.

Actually, it was Flavor-Aid

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Yes, but no one says that.

 

[Lubaf]

If you are looking for the brand name (and I think you are) it's Kool-Aid.

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Actually, it was Flavor-Aid

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I was always told that it would be more technically accurate to say "Flavor Aid", but it turns out that they had both.

Thanks
Luc "Reality Distortion Field" French

 

[Handlewithcare]

"Hi Kara! Ths is your Nazi-Doppelgänger. Have fun, k, thx, byeeeee!"

 

[ForeverShogo]

Some shots of the Nazi Justice League . . . The New Reichsmen.

Their Wonder Woman is Brünhilde. One of the Valkyries from Norse mythology.

Their Batman is named Leatherwing. Not Bruce Wayne. Grandson of Hans von Hammer from Enemy Ace.

Their Martian Manhunter is just named The Martian. Seems to be a White Martian. Earth 10 has cities on the Moon and Mars, so it's interesting speculating on what the relationship with Mars 10 is.

Their Flash is named Blitzen.

Their Aquaman is named Underwaterman. Atlantis 10 fought against the Nazis during World War 2. They lost, and the only reason the Nazis didn't exterminate the Atlantians is because they believe Atlantis is where Aryans originally came from.

No idea what their Green Lantern is named. Or their Red Tornado.

And of course their Superman is Overman. A Kal-El that crash landed in Czechoslavakia. The Nazis were the ones that found him and his pod. They used Kryptonian technology reverse-engineered from said pod to win the war, and conquer the world. Was personally raised by Adolph Hitler.

 

[Vaermina]

One completely calm exhalation and she turns to adopt a sitting position with her legs over the side of the bier facing me.

"I am Overgirl."

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Cliffhanger fail due to reader research.

 

[Grimnar]

Some shots of the Nazi Justice League . . . The New Reichsmen.

Their Wonder Woman is Brünhilde. One of the Valkyries from Norse mythology.

Their Batman is named Leatherwing. Not Bruce Wayne. Grandson of Hans von Hammer from Enemy Ace.

Their Martian Manhunter is just named The Martian. Seems to be a White Martian. Earth 10 has cities on the Moon and Mars, so it's interesting speculating on what the relationship with Mars 10 is.

Their Flash is named Blitzen.

Their Aquaman is named Underwaterman. Atlantis 10 fought against the Nazis during World War 2. They lost, and the only reason the Nazis didn't exterminate the Atlantians is because they believe Atlantis is where Aryans originally came from.

No idea what their Green Lantern is named. Or their Red Tornado.

And of course their Superman is Overman. A Kal-El that crash landed in Czechoslavakia. The Nazis were the ones that found him and his pod. They used Kryptonian technology reverse-engineered from said pod to win the war, and conquer the world. Was personally raised by Adolph Hitler.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Excuse me. Hum.

PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


What the fuck is up with Nazi-Batmans legs? What the fuck is that?

 

[Mr Zoat]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Excuse me. Hum.

PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

What the fuck is up with Nazi-Batmans legs? What the fuck is that?

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Thick body armour?

Some shots of the Nazi Justice League . . . The New Reichsmen.

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The problem with their name is that 'new' isn't 'neu'. Why is only part of it in German?

Their Batman is named Leatherwing. Not Bruce Wayne. Grandson of Hans von Hammer from Enemy Ace.

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Which is amusing, because Hans held the Nazis in contempt even when he fought for them and tried to defect when he found about about the death camps.

Their Martian Manhunter is just named The Martian. Seems to be a White Martian. Earth 10 has cities on the Moon and Mars, so it's interesting speculating on what the relationship with Mars 10 is.

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The martian species was probably killed by H'ronmeer's Curse, as that's the standard series of events.

Was personally raised by Adolph Hitler.

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I don't believe that was actually in the comic.

"Hi Kara! Ths is your Nazi-Doppelgänger. Have fun, k, thx, byeeeee!"

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Not actually her doppleganger. Kara In-Ze 10 is probably still in the asteroid.

 

[FeepingCreature]

The problem with their name is that 'new' isn't 'neu'. Why is only part of it in German?

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Probably not the actual reason, but worth noting that the Neureichsmänner would probably sound in modern German closer to "the newly rich men" than "the men of the new reich" due to neureich. There doesn't seem to be an elegant way to translate "New Reichsmen" into pure German; I presume they'd just have dropped the new, if anything.