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With This Ring (Young Justice SI) (Thread Fourteen)

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Grimnar said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Excuse me. Hum.

PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


What the fuck is up with Nazi-Batmans legs? What the fuck is that?
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They made nazi batman dummy thick to distract his enemies when they hear the clap of his cheeks they'll never know what hit them.
 
For government sponsored superheroes, Invincible had an interesting take on it, with the Guardians Of The Globe.

Mostly they seemed to just get information and funding from the government, but the guardians are out of focus given that Invincible himself isn't actually a member.
 
Mr Zoat said:
While that arguably was Cauldron's fault, it wasn't the fault of the wider PRT.
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The opposite actually, Cauldron was responsible for the PRT functioning at least somewhat effectively, since Zion Shards prevent cooperation in large groups of parahumans. It were the various Parahumans with Eden Shards and occasionally the direct influence of Cauldron which prevented the PRT from falling apart and North America to end up like Africa.
 
Aeess said:
The opposite actually, Cauldron was responsible for the PRT functioning at least somewhat effectively, since Zion Shards prevent cooperation in large groups of parahumans. It were the various Parahumans with Eden Shards and occasionally the direct influence of Cauldron which prevented the PRT from falling apart and North America to end up like Africa.
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Eidolon was responsible for the Endbringers.

Cauldron routinely gave powers to supervillains, and Number Man was supervillain banking.
 
FeepingCreature said:
Probably not the actual reason, but worth noting that the Neureichsmänner would probably sound in modern German closer to "the newly rich men" than "the men of the new reich" due to neureich. There doesn't seem to be an elegant way to translate "New Reichsmen" into pure German; I presume they'd just have dropped the new, if anything.
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I think "Neue Reichsmänner" would be okay for a direct translation. The problem is mainly, that the nazi wouldn't have called their superheroes that. But the writers wanted just a groupname that sounds nazi german for their audiences.

I think Schutzstaffel (SS) would have been a better name for a nazi superhero team. But since it is already used, just Schutz- (protection) and then any oder military word for a group (for example Einheit Zug Kommando Garnison Truppe Korps Kolonne Abteilung Kompanie Bataillon Mannschaft) or "Wache" (watch).

I don't think I ever misunderstood someone speaking about "Reich" meaning empire with"reich" meaning rich. Since the later is an adjective and in german we change the ending of them depending on the grammatical case (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_case ) of the word it refers to.
For example:
ReichE Bürger= rich citizens
Reichsbürger = Reich Citizens aka idiots https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbürgerbewegung



Fun Fact: "New/Neu" in the official name seems stupid, but it exists
In Austria, we have the "Neue Mittelschule" (new middle school). Which is the official name cause politics...

Grimnar said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Excuse me. Hum.

PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


What the fuck is up with Nazi-Batmans legs? What the fuck is that?
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I think the artist wanted the looks of military trousers from WW2 https://thehistorybunker.co.uk/acatalog/WW2_Soviet_Red_Army_tunics_and_shirts.html
And also skintight outfits, cause superheroes.
 
Mr Zoat said:
Eidolon was responsible for the Endbringers.

Cauldron routinely gave powers to supervillains, and Number Man was supervillain banking.
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Eden was responsible for the Endbringers. All Eidolon did was subconsciously wish for a challenge and no one could really blame him for that since no one can control their own subconscious. The moment he learned what had "woke up" the Endbringers he was horrified.

As for Cauldron, Cauldron itself didn't really care about states or laws. All they cared was that there were more parahumans around to fight Scion and if those Parahumans would be useful when crunch time arrived. They didn't really expect the governments of Earth Bet to survive Golden Morning, or even that Earth Bet might still be inhabitable. They only cared about keeping Scion from exterminating humanity throughout the entire multiverse.

But Couldron still created the PRT and Protectorate to prop things up and keep a total collapse from happening simply because total anarchy before Scion went nuts would have meant less caps and resources available for them.

iamnuff said:
For government sponsored superheroes, Invincible had an interesting take on it, with the Guardians Of The Globe.

Mostly they seemed to just get information and funding from the government, but the guardians are out of focus given that Invincible himself isn't actually a member.
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Personally I prefer Grrl Power, Wearing the Cape and My Hero Acadamia. It's nice to see superhero settings were government regulation and licensing is the norm and isn't depicted as wrong or abusive.
 
I just think it's sort of funny/appropriate that the world where fascism is a dirty word is the world that has a literal Nietzschian Superman, not the world of Nazis

I know that people connecting Nietzsche to Nazis is because his sister inherited editing rights to his work and she was a Nazi, so the term shouldn't be inherently fascist, which makes it appropriate that superman and overman are from the parallels they're from, but I'm still getting a sensible chuckle out of it.
 
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Whenever Possible said:
I just think it's sort of funny/appropriate that the world where fascism is a dirty word is the world that has a literal Nietzschian Superman, not the world of Nazis

I know that people connecting Nietzsche to Nazis is because his sister inherited editing rights to his work and she was a Nazi, so the term should be inherently fascist, which makes it appropriate that superman and moverman are from the parallels they're from, but I'm still getting a sensible chuckle out of it.
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When accused of being fascist, Overgirl looks slightly confused and informs her accuser that she's not Italian.
 
norax1 said:
I think "Neue Reichsmänner" would be okay for a direct translation. The problem is mainly, that the nazi wouldn't have called their superheroes that. But the writers wanted just a groupname that sounds nazi german for their audiences.

I think Schutzstaffel (SS) would have been a better name for a nazi superhero team. But since it is already used, just Schutz- (protection) and then any oder military word for a group (for example Einheit Zug Kommando Garnison Truppe Korps Kolonne Abteilung Kompanie Bataillon Mannschaft) or "Wache" (watch).

I don't think I ever misunderstood someone speaking about "Reich" meaning empire with"reich" meaning rich. Since the later is an adjective and in german we change the ending of them depending on the grammatical case (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_case ) of the word it refers to.
For example:
ReichE Bürger= rich citizens
Reichsbürger = Reich Citizens aka idiots https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsbürgerbewegung
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Sure, with Reichsbürger it's unambiguous because it's an established term, so even Neureichsbürger would probably be either obvious or I'd presume it's some sort of pun/joke about rich eccentrics. I agree that strictly speaking there's no ambiguity, and presumably due to the preestablished term the terminology would be unambiguous to a speaker from this alternate universe. I'm just saying, anything starting with Neureich I'd be searching for the joke.

My problem was more with how to attach the Neu in a way that works as a single word, I'm not sure a multipart name like Neue Reichsmänner/Reichsmenschen/Reichspersonen would establish itself in common parlance as a name, purely due to length.

Sorry for the digression.
 
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Wait, is Overgirl speaking German with the ring translating both ways? Or would Paulragon speaking English be indicative of something wrong? Do rings translate languages that a bilingual person can speak into their native tongue? Or do they leave second languages untranslated?
 
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Either "ring notes" or "rings note", depending on how that interface is working.

The idiom is "pass muster".
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Eponymic said:
contaminate?
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Thank you, corrected.
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Wait, is Overgirl speaking German with the ring translating both ways? Or would Paulragon speaking English be indicative of something wrong? Do rings translate languages that a bilingual person can speak into their native tongue? Or do they leave second languages untranslated?
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Overgirl is speaking German. She's hearing him in German and may not have realised that he isn't speaking German as that is what the ring is making her hear. The ring translates into a person's primary language.
 
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Overgirl is speaking German. She's hearing him in German and may not have realised that he isn't speaking German as that is what the ring is making her hear. The ring translates into a person's primary language.
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Right, just remembered the Wonder Woman accidental pun from way back, translation is something you've already referenced
 
Merry Christmas everyone! Even to those of us where it isn't Christmas yet, (like where I am, just thought I should say it while I still have a chance to get everyone waking up to it :))
 
cereal_lurker said:
She changed more than which language she was speaking. She changed what language the ring translated to for his speech. That's a pretty significant ability.
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No, she didn't. She switched from speaking ancient Greek, which the ring translated to English and caused the accidental pun, to speaking English, which ended up with the same "translation".
 
Gammadion (part 6)
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    She takes a moment to check herself over, her eyes hesitating on her left arm for a moment before dropping to her legs.

    "What happened to my shorts?"

    "Your clothing was somewhat damaged. If you don't like it I can get you something else?"

    "No, this is… Fine."

    "Look, if it's bothering you, I have full physiological scans of all of my allies and I've stuck bits of them back together on several occasions. Humanoid nudity-."

    "Oh, you're a doctor?"

    "No, I'm an unusually well-equipped medic. If I were a doctor I'd actually know medicine rather than having my ring's database feed me everything. But there aren't that many medically qualified superheroes so I've been subbing in."

    She nods. "Okay. Can I stand?"

    "As far as I can tell, you should be able to. Your solar batteries probably aren't fully charged, but your muscles, bones and nerves appear to be working properly. Though if you feel unsteady, sit back down and I'll take another look."

    "No, I meant, am I allowed to stand?" We look at each other for a moment. "Am I your prisoner?"

    "No-." Which isn't completely honest. "It's really more that we don't know anything about you and so we're being a little.. careful. You're free to stand and move around the facility, but if you want to go anywhere else I'll be tagging along."

    "Ah." She stands, testing her legs' ability to hold her weight. "I appear to be in good health."

    I smile. "I'm glad to hear-."

    "I am a National Socialist, from an Earth where Germany won the-. I don't know what you would call it. The Second Great War?"

    "Second World War. And.. yes, I knew, but I'm a little surprised that you're being so up front about it."

    "Ah." She touches her upper left arm with her right hand. "Did you remove my armband?"

    "No, it was burned to ash, but… I don't think that replacing it would be a good idea."

    "No, it would not. My-. Do you have an Overman here? A male kryptonian sent to Earth as a baby?"

    "Superman. He-."

    She lets out a bark of startled laughter. "You call him that?"

    "Not that many people read Nietzsche, and the crest of the House of El looks a lot like a 'S'."

    She nods. "Overman warned me that of all of the parallel universes he had seen, Germany under the National Socialists were only victorious in the.. Second World War, upon ours. He advised me that I should not conceal this part of our history."

    "That's.. jolly decent of him." Ah… "Sorry, you've rather wrong-footed me there. I was expecting to have to work up to that."

    "Did his pod land in the British Empire in this parallel?"

    "No." Sadly. "No. The British Empire sort of… Deflated in the decades following the end of World War Two. All that's left of it is a lot of tiny places that either couldn't function on their own or don't want to."

    "The technologies gained from Overman's pod should have given any nation the strength to take the world. If it was not Britain or Germany, where did he land?"

    "I'm sorry, your Overman landed in Germany before World War Two?"

    "Yes, in the Sudetenland in nineteen thirty eight."

    "Our Kal-El arrived on Earth in nineteen seventy eight. The Second World War played out based on the strength and skills of the nations involved, with no-" I perform a brief mental review the membership of the All-Star Squadron. "-alien involvement."

    "So who rules the world now?"

    "Um. I.. suppose that the simple answer would be that.. no one does. The United States of America is the most powerful country according to most metrics. Second is probably the People's Republic of-"

    The corners of her mouth turn down in distaste before she masters her expression.

    "-China. Then it sort of depends on whether you count the European Union as one country or not."

    Her eyes widen.

    "Europe is unified? If.. it was not due to warfare, did it happen peacefully?"

    "Sort of. The Second World War weakened the European powers to the point that they couldn't maintain their empires, but it also left them sharing a border with the Soviet Union." She.. sort of clenches, her hands balling into fists again. "That was a powerful incentive to cooperate, both economically and militarily."

    Her eyes are glowing again. Faintly this time, but I don't think it's intentional.

    "The Soviet Union. Does it still exist?"

    "No. It broke up about twenty years ago, and the Russian Federation is a nationalist nominal-democracy. It turns out that communism doesn't actually work." I frown. "So, are you Overman's daughter? I know that you're a human-kryptonian hybrid-."

    "No, I was born a human girl. My kryptonian traits were added by a retrovirus to incorporate parts of Overman's DNA."

    I scream internally, while maintaining a polite smile. Cadmus considered that, but decided against it because that sort of retrovirus is really unreliable. I remember reading about an incident back on Earth Prime where it was used to cure a genetic condition perfectly successfully, but also gave the patient another one that was just as bad and the doctors performing the procedure didn't know why.

    She notices my disquiet.

    "Yes. I was… Fortunate."

    For a moment I consider asking how many were less lucky. She's blonde, blue eyed-. They couldn't have risked a 'subhuman' getting that power, even a baby would have been a risk. But knowing that wouldn't help the situation, and I don't want anyone with Cadmus-like inclinations learning that the technique could work as desired.

    "How old were you? Did you-? Volunteer?"

    "I was eleven. And I did. Along with all of the others. Even I am not a complete success." I don't say anything. "You asked if I was his daughter. Does your Superman have children? With a human woman?"

    "Not a human woman, no."

    She blinks.

    "I beg your pardon?"
     
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